Speed is great, but speed only gets you Andreas Athanaseou
- LAHawk

Yo LA, have you seen Philly and their retool this yr? Caught 2 periods @ EDM last night and gotta say it's must see tv. Michkov was born to play for Torts!!!

After a period I thought this guy has a bunch of Marchand in him. I relentless pest. He's always got his head under the opponents arm pit, in every scrum, grabbing guys by the neck from behind, yappin and he's smallish........ And, he scored the first 2 goals for Philly as they got outa EDM with a 4-3 OT loss.

It's a classic Torts team. Lotta energy, lotta in your face, lotta blocked shots. 2 fights I saw, one where skill guy Farabee accepted Perry's invite off the face off and did ok.... Some old school Torts hockey

Jones is a guy who has never reached his ceiling. Besides his cap hit it's frustrating to see a player with his size,/skating have average offense with so many plays end on his stick.

In his defense the team has sucked out loud since he got here and this is the first yr we see him with some legit NHLers. ... As some have said in 3-4 yrs when it's all out win time he'll be helpful in the 2nd pairing. It'll probably play out that way.
- Mr Ricochet

Based on what? Maybe this was his ceiling. Adam Boqvist was said to have Karlsson top end. Despite all the injuries, I don't think his ceiling was ever that high.

Based on what? Maybe this was his ceiling. Adam Boqvist was said to have Karlsson top end. Despite all the injuries, I don't think his ceiling was ever that high.
- Chunk

Based on his Pops playing NBA ball, his size, skating and skill shown playing 2 yrs for the NTDP and the WJC. He was a blueblood many thought would go 1st overall but the cameras zoomed in on him as he fell to 4th IIRC.

Kid was thought to be a top 1/2 NHL 1st pairing Dman and he never has been, ie never reached his ceiling....... Watch the kid skate at his size and look at his career numbers. You think he reached his ceiling??.... IMO he has just average hockey IQ and that's what was missed that keeps him from being a consistent every night 1st pairing, 1st PP, workhorse, positive possession, 60 pt NHL Dman.

Reinhorn sellin the Sox to Death Stare Dave Stewart???? https://www.msn.com/en-us...d78bea8ff80cee41288&ei=19

Reinhorn sellin the Sox to Death Stare Dave Stewart???? https://www.msn.com/en-us...d78bea8ff80cee41288&ei=19
- Mr Ricochet

It would make Chicago a one baseball team city.

Based on his Pops playing NBA ball, his size, skating and skill shown playing 2 yrs for the NTDP and the WJC. He was a blueblood many thought would go 1st overall but the cameras zoomed in on him as he fell to 4th IIRC.

Kid was thought to be a top 1/2 NHL 1st pairing Dman and he never has been, ie never reached his ceiling....... Watch the kid skate at his size and look at his career numbers. You think he reached his ceiling??.... IMO he has just average hockey IQ and that's what was missed that keeps him from being a consistent every night 1st pairing, 1st PP, workhorse, positive possession, 60 pt NHL Dman.
- Mr Ricochet

Well yeah, but the point I'm trying to make is that people are making these projections on kids who are 17-18-19 years old. How accurate are these projections? My point was maybe his real ceiling is exactly what it is.

Aside from the 60 point thing (which obviously, is partly determined by teammates), I think he's met the rest of your criteria, no?

It would make Chicago a one baseball team city.

- rpeters01

Probably not a bad idea.