GH wasnt signed to a 4 year deal. He was signed to a 2 year deal and extend for 2 more years. He also has no trade protection.

Also everyone learns on the job. There is no end to learning. Briere has prior experience. He wasnt just blindly handed the job he worked with Fletcher and Homer before that.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

semantics. it is a 4 year fn deal. wow he has no trade protection. what a win. not giving a 4th line player no trade protection. that danny is a tough negotiator.

what prior experience does he have being an NHL GM? he was blindly handed the job as they didn't have any GM search or interview anyone. He was always the one the baton was going to be passed to.

the defending is amusing.

GH wasnt signed to a 4 year deal. He was signed to a 2 year deal and extend for 2 more years. He also has no trade protection.

Also everyone learns on the job. There is no end to learning. Briere has prior experience. He wasnt just blindly handed the job he worked with Fletcher and Homer before that.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Yes, Briere was just blindly handed the job. He had very little actual NHL experience in the front office.

I do believe the new regime created their marketing slogan "New Era of Orange" and needed a catchphrase to gain credibility. "Culture" was such a perfect word because it a subjective term. Winning creates culture, culture does not create winning, IMO. Winning organizations nuture and develop young players. Bobby Brink is the perfect example of organizational failure. All the HC needs is a small cold streak or stick infractions (which tenure players do the same) and in the name of "culture" Brink to the pressbox to learn. This organization has not won in a long time, a lot easier to focus on "culture" then the inability to formulate a plan that leads to winning. Torts is the perfect front man.
- Trox88

Expertly put.

Any player you view as should be traded would not bring any assets back to get the kind of player we need. Hathaway and Poehling are not beinging back a pick that gets you a Michkov type player. Flyers already have all the "support" players. They need a #1 C and a top D. Those guys arent bringing those. Even if we moved some of the skilled guys we have, we are still only getting late picks that at best bring in a younger player of the same caliber.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

They would have brought in picks, which are lottery tickets. They are on the record saying they are lacking high-end talent, and the way to get high-end talent is through the draft.

They would also be able to use cap space to garner even more picks instead of signing their own overvalued players.

Like the NY state lotto you cant win if you don't play

Any player you view as should be traded would not bring any assets back to get the kind of player we need. Hathaway and Poehling are not beinging back a pick that gets you a Michkov type player. Flyers already have all the "support" players. They need a #1 C and a top D. Those guys arent bringing those. Even if we moved some of the skilled guys we have, we are still only getting late picks that at best bring in a younger player of the same caliber.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You have tunnel vision. It would've created opportunity for younger players. You never know when you're going to hit on a later pick and get a decent young player. Trading away veteran established players can also result in a lower finish and a higher draft pick.

I disagree. They traded Walker because they couldn't re-sign him. Moved Provorov because both sides wanted a change of scenery. Moves weren't made to purposely suck. The POHO is on record a number of times that they're just waiting for cap space to clear so they can make moves and get back to wheeling and dealing to try and win. How it can be disingenuous when it is clear by action and by statement that they had no intention of not trying to compete for the playoffs and that the playoffs were the stated goal? They have sucked through the Fletcher years and currently not due to plan but due to incompetence. Unintended consequences.
- MJL

I think you can't see the forest for the trees, there's definitely a shift in thinking, which is why they have two teenagers in the lineup and one of the youngest rosters in the NHL.

Look, it's seemingly a fluid thing, managing a team, but since Comcast punted Dave Scott aside and Briere took over, only 18 months ago, they've most certainly made an attempt to acquire draft picks. They aren't going to fix what ails them in 18 months, this is going to take a long time, and I'm ok with that.

Their planning is so lacking in foresight, their best offensive player (Michkov) cannot play on the same line as the highest paid player (TK) according to the HC. So they dedicated term and a high cap hit with the realization 2 of the top 6 fwds just cannot play together on 5 on 5. Seems like an issue

I think you can't see the forest for the trees, there's definitely a shift in thinking, which is why they have two teenagers in the lineup and one of the youngest rosters in the NHL.

Look, it's seemingly a fluid thing, managing a team, but since Comcast punted Dave Scott aside and Briere took over, only 18 months ago, they've most certainly made an attempt to acquire draft picks. They are going to fix what ails them in 18 months, this is going to take a long time, and I'm ok with that.
- Dave21Brown

Here is what the forest actually looks like through the trees that you aren't grasping. They didn't look at both Provorov and Walker and say, we're rebuilding, these players are trade chips that we can get future assets for. Neither player was traded for that reason. Then we look at the statements of both the GM and the POHO. This is not a rebuild. It's a pause until they can some cap space to keep on doing what they always have done. That is the reality. The Flyers getting Michkov and if they wind up with a high draft pick in the next draft. Is not intended. It is accidental.

Here is the reality as I see it. There is no coach alive who could coach this team into a legitimate good team. That lack a 1C and a top defense pairing. The goaltending overall is just adequate at best. What needs to happen and should be happening is that the coaching staff should be focused on player development for the future. Unfortunately, they're not the right coaches for this task. I posted numerous times that eventually this team will see that the approach and strategy that they play with, will not lead to anything. The playoff level intensity shift to shift, the shot blocking and taking all the bumps and bruises, is not enough to win at this level. Which is why were seeing and have been seeing the team play outside of the structure and system to try and get something going.
I posted numerous times last season that all Tortorella is as a coach, is a high priced interim coach. His strengths as a coach are installing a defensive and forecheck structure. In terms of the modern style and systems of play, the game has passed him by. When you watch other teams play in the offensive zone. You can see an attack structure. You can see that they know where the puck support and escape pressure outlets are. You can see the movement away from the puck into scoring lanes. Teams play structurally in the offensive zone. You can see the transition strategy and how they move the puck. This is all absent from the Flyers. How many times in last nights game did Michkov use his excellent ability to shield the puck on the cycle, only to not have any cutters or anybody jumping into an open spot. The majority of the Flyers offense comes from improvisation and individual play. When someone is not "hot" offensively, they struggle. This is evident at 5 on 5 and on the PP.
I said numerous times last season that what they were doing, just being competitive, was fools gold and was not going to lead to anything meaningful. Now or in the future. This coaching staff is not capable of developing young elite talent nor is it capable of installing a strategy and system of modern day NHL hockey. Combined with the absurd structure of the hierarchy of the front office and the influence of Tortorella. The future of this franchise remains bleak.
- MJL

I agree. I also think the 'old school' factor of Tortorella benching playings, sitting players and reducing their ice time significantly in game forces players to play more selfishly versus a team mentality so that the coach won't bench/sit/scratch them. Not exactly a means to bring a group of players together.

Their planning is so lacking in foresight, their best offensive player (Michkov) cannot play on the same line as the highest paid player (TK) according to the HC. So they dedicated term and a high cap hit with the realization 2 of the top 6 fwds just cannot play together on 5 on 5. Seems like an issue
- Trox88

Do we want them playing together?

I think you can't see the forest for the trees, there's definitely a shift in thinking, which is why they have two teenagers in the lineup and one of the youngest rosters in the NHL.

Look, it's seemingly a fluid thing, managing a team, but since Comcast punted Dave Scott aside and Briere took over, only 18 months ago, they've most certainly made an attempt to acquire draft picks. They aren't going to fix what ails them in 18 months, this is going to take a long time, and I'm ok with that.
- Dave21Brown

If that (acquiring picks) was true than gh, tk, rp, ns would have never been resigned. The Room™ would be oozing culture and intangibles in another city as well

If that (acquiring picks) was true than gh, tk, rp, ns would have never been resigned. The Room™ would be oozing culture and intangibles in another city as well
- corduroy

I like TK but I have no idea why he agreed to resign here

If that (acquiring picks) was true than gh, tk, rp, ns would have never been resigned. The Room™ would be oozing culture and intangibles in another city as well
- corduroy

I'm just of the belief you have to manage multiple things here, they're still trying to run a gate driven business and sell a product. It's just not as simplistic as a lot of negative people here would have you believe. There's definitely more than one ball in the air here.

This is just all part of the process, hopefully what they're doing works. Every team that either lost on purpose (Chicago/Pittsburgh) or lost through incompetence (Vancouver) eventually got better. The Flyers will too.

The fans in here are a prime example of why the organization has failed for so long, they whine and moan so bad the organization tries so hard to please them but they aren't willing to go through the process that allows them to get better in a cap world. Drafting.

I think you can't see the forest for the trees, there's definitely a shift in thinking, which is why they have two teenagers in the lineup and one of the youngest rosters in the NHL.

Look, it's seemingly a fluid thing, managing a team, but since Comcast punted Dave Scott aside and Briere took over, only 18 months ago, they've most certainly made an attempt to acquire draft picks. They aren't going to fix what ails them in 18 months, this is going to take a long time, and I'm ok with that.
- Dave21Brown

Exactly. Only issue I see is the Konecny deal makes me believe they think they are close. Ive heard 3-4 years tossed around by journalists. They basically need to strike gold on Drysdale, Luchenko, Bonk or whomever they get this draft for that to happen. Not to mention they are stuck with Coots for 5 years. they really need him to bounce back.

Here is what the forest actually looks like through the trees that you aren't grasping. They didn't look at both Provorov and Walker and say, we're rebuilding, these players are trade chips that we can get future assets for. Neither player was traded for that reason. Then we look at the statements of both the GM and the POHO. This is not a rebuild. It's a pause until they can some cap space to keep on doing what they always have done. That is the reality. The Flyers getting Michkov and if they wind up with a high draft pick in the next draft. Is not intended. It is accidental.
- MJL

No, you're wrong, on all fronts, including Provorov who was traded for the 1st round pick that acquire Bonk and a good 2nd round pick in 2025, this is a plan set in motion. You just can't see it because you're blinded by hate and years of losing.

Do we want them playing together?
- MJL

Since the day Michkov was drafted, they stated this is the guy to build the franchise around. The organization pretty much had a blank canvas to build the top 6 around him, except for the Couts contract. No wingers were under contract long term. By their own decisions they filled 2 of those spots internally, apparently not weighting those 2 fwds could play with Michkob. The HC thinks TK cannot do it already. Plan seems to be right now, Tippett needs to be that guy. Basically, they are filling the roster with pieces that might not fit together very well

Exactly. Only issue I see is the Konecny deal makes me believe they think they are close. Ive heard 3-4 years tossed around by journalists. They basically need to strike gold on Drysdale, Luchenko, Bonk or whomever they get this draft for that to happen. Not to mention they are stuck with Coots for 5 years. they really need him to bounce back.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You can't run a 23 man roster purely with 18-21 year olds, all rebuilding teams sign veteran players to insulate kids. This is not a new phenomenon. For a gate driven league there is also a business side to things, as I typed earlier, you have to manage multiple balls in the air at the same time.

Their planning is so lacking in foresight, their best offensive player (Michkov) cannot play on the same line as the highest paid player (TK) according to the HC. So they dedicated term and a high cap hit with the realization 2 of the top 6 fwds just cannot play together on 5 on 5. Seems like an issue
- Trox88

Same team whose 1C cant play on the PP

I'm just of the belief you have to manage multiple things here, they're still trying to run a gate driven business and sell a product. It's just not as simplistic as a lot of negative people here would have you believe. There definitely more than one ball in the air here.


- Dave21Brown

As a fan, do you care about the gate driven business? It is very simplistic. Are the Flyers the only team that cares about the business. Why do other teams do it differently.

This is just all part of the process, hopefully what they're doing works. Every team that either lost on purpose (Chicago/Pittsburgh) or lost through incompetence (Vancouver) eventually got better. The Flyers will too.


- Dave21Brown

The Flyers have been incompetent for well over a decade. They haven't gotten better. How much time are you willing to give their approach?

The fans in here are a prime example of why the organization has failed for so long, they whine and moan so bad the organization tries so hard to please them but they aren't willing to go through the process that allows them to get better in a cap world. Drafting.
- Dave21Brown

You're completely wrong here. It's fans like you, who are accepting of their incompetence, that are the ones the Flyers are catering to. They have you all hooked. Majority of the fans in here would absolutely be willing to go through a proper process and a legit rebuild.

No, you're wrong, on all fronts, including Provorov who was traded for the 1st round pick that acquire Bonk and a good 2nd round pick in 2025, this is a plan set in motion. You just can't see it because you're blinded by hate and years of losing.
- Dave21Brown

The facts are clear. The impetus for moving Provorov was not to rebuild. Provorov wanted out and he was never going to recover here. Both sides wanted a change of scenery. Your comments are unintelligent. The only hatred I have is for the Flyers incompetence over a decade long. You're a complete homer.

Since the day Michkov was drafted, they stated this is the guy to build the franchise around. The organization pretty much had a blank canvas to build the top 6 around him, except for the Couts contract. No wingers were under contract long term. By their own decisions they filled 2 of those spots internally, apparently not weighting those 2 fwds could play with Michkob. The HC thinks TK cannot do it already. Plan seems to be right now, Tippett needs to be that guy. Basically, they are filling the roster with pieces that might not fit together very well
- Trox88

The problem is that a player like Tippett doesn't fit with anyone. He is a one dimensional offensive player who relies solely on individual effort. He has no ability to play off of linemates. As long as Konecny is here, I want him and Michkov on separate lines. I want the best offensive catalysts they have, separated to help with development. I'd form a "kid" line of Foerster, Frost and Michkov and leave them be.

Looks like Utah could use a RHD with Durzi and Marino going down. They have been playing so well so far....

The owner wants to win! Danny get on the phone and sell Risto like you are selling ice to an eskimo now!

You can't run a 23 man roster purely with 18-21 year olds, all rebuilding teams sign veteran players to insulate kids. This is not a new phenomenon. For a gate driven league there is also a business side to things, as I typed earlier, you have to manage multiple balls in the air at the same time.
- Dave21Brown

From a fans perspective, there is only one ball. The Flyers had plenty of vets to be able to move Konecny, Hathaway, Seeler and Laughton. You can also sign vets to one year deals if need be.

The facts are clear. The impetus for moving Provorov was not to rebuild. Provorov wanted out and he was never going to recover here. Both sides wanted a change of scenery. Your comments are unintelligent. The only hatred I have is for the Flyers incompetence over a decade long. You're a complete homer.
- MJL

"We have the chance to get a really good player when you're drafting in the top 10 this year, with this crop. But it's a deep draft, and we felt we wanted to acquire another pick in the first two rounds, not having a second-rounder this year. So having a chance to get No. 22 was critical to the deal for us," Briere told the media Tuesday.

Overall, the Flyers have 10 picks in this year's draft, and in 2024, they own four picks in the first two rounds, thanks to the pair of second-round selections the acquired from Columbus and Los Angeles.

From a fans perspective, there is only one ball. The Flyers had plenty of vets to be able to move Konecny, Hathaway, Seeler and Laughton. You can also sign vets to one year deals if need be.
- MJL

I'm almost 60 years old, I've seen a lot with this team, I get that you're filled with anger from the losing and incompetence. There's been a lot. Some of those players might be moved, some of them might not, we're six games into a season.

It's not that I care about the business side, it's that I understand from their perspective that it weighs in their decision making process.