Pretty easy... what other franchise was willing to give him $70 million?
- BaronVonShiznit

I dunno I think that would be an easy sell for him

The return they were looking for does not indicate the reason why they were trading the player. It was well documented and reported on why the Flyers traded Provorov. Same with Walker. The Flyers negotiated with Walker to try and re-sign him. It was only when they couldn't come to a fair agreement that both sides could agree to, that they decided to trade Wallker
- MJL

because he asked to be moved.

I've been around this board a long time (2007), don't kid yourself, you're seemingly an angry old man. I'm joking, don't be so serious!!

As for the business side, again, I don't care about it, I just know that teams absolutely take it into consideration. That being said, it's not a flat line, different owners will have different opinions on it. Chicago and Philly have roughly the same cap space, 2 million apart I think?

Anyway, there's more than one way to go about this, you act like it's a perfect linear line they have to follow that some other team followed, doesn't work that way. The objective is the same, build a core through the draft. Michkov is a good start, and to a lesser extent I'm excited about watching, Bonk, Luchanko, Berglund, Bjarnason and Gill develop and see if they got anything with those picks. Not to mention all the picks they've lined up for 2025. It's a process years in the making. Buckle up!
- Dave21Brown

the flyers way has failed and has no track record for success. Do you agree or disagree?

Fools will always be fools.

- MJL

sure...draft and develop, but don't trade players to gain assets. makes sense..

they would have to move something....but he'd be a great addition to florida
- Peter Richards

Maybe Lundell coming back? Dont know what his ceiling is like but I hear a lot of people like him. If FLA keeps Bennet then hes stuck on the 3rd line for the forseeable future.

Im sure many other teams would give him the contract he got here. Konecny would probably thrive elsewhere where he is playing with higher talent. He also kills penalties well. He is also 27 years old which is still in his prime.

I dont know what the best comparable would be but someone like Boldy has a cap hit of 7 mill and he doesnt kill penalties. Difference is 1.7 mill between the two. Meier makes 8.8 mill which is more than Konecny. So it appears fair market value. Player costs go up every year as cap increases as well.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

There are no other teams which could've given him the contract he got here, same with Coots. The reason being only the player's current team can give 8 year contracts.

Going back to an earlier post that is yet another reason Coots isn't at fault for signing with the Flyers, they could offer what nobody else could but that's the same with TK.

The AAV would be the same most likely wherever he signed but players really want that 8th year. Still that's only a contract you offer if you feel you will be contenders during the front half of that contract. While the cap % will be less on the backend of the contract, so will the player abilities.

Generally speaking the Flyers tend to get screwed on the front half and the back half of these contracts, look at Coots, we are still years from looking at the back half of that contract.

I am calling this season the STRIVE FOR FIVE. Really obvious to any person with small hockey knowledge that this team has issues in all areas of the ice. Competing doesn't win games so anyone not named MM we should take calls on.


I like the Laughton for Lilgren idea just not sure if toronto does.

There has to be a market for hathaway.

Eat salary trade RR, truth is this team wont compete for crap for at least 3 years so taking on salary for that time frame works.


Most importantly stop resigning 4th line wingers & 3rd pairing dmen "because you like the way they play".


Dream scenario, team is sold to owner who has money and patience to build a winner.

Here is the reality as I see it. There is no coach alive who could coach this team into a legitimate good team. That lack a 1C and a top defense pairing. The goaltending overall is just adequate at best. What needs to happen and should be happening is that the coaching staff should be focused on player development for the future. Unfortunately, they're not the right coaches for this task. I posted numerous times that eventually this team will see that the approach and strategy that they play with, will not lead to anything. The playoff level intensity shift to shift, the shot blocking and taking all the bumps and bruises, is not enough to win at this level. Which is why were seeing and have been seeing the team play outside of the structure and system to try and get something going.
I posted numerous times last season that all Tortorella is as a coach, is a high priced interim coach. His strengths as a coach are installing a defensive and forecheck structure. In terms of the modern style and systems of play, the game has passed him by. When you watch other teams play in the offensive zone. You can see an attack structure. You can see that they know where the puck support and escape pressure outlets are. You can see the movement away from the puck into scoring lanes. Teams play structurally in the offensive zone. You can see the transition strategy and how they move the puck. This is all absent from the Flyers. How many times in last nights game did Michkov use his excellent ability to shield the puck on the cycle, only to not have any cutters or anybody jumping into an open spot. The majority of the Flyers offense comes from improvisation and individual play. When someone is not "hot" offensively, they struggle. This is evident at 5 on 5 and on the PP.
I said numerous times last season that what they were doing, just being competitive, was fools gold and was not going to lead to anything meaningful. Now or in the future. This coaching staff is not capable of developing young elite talent nor is it capable of installing a strategy and system of modern day NHL hockey. Combined with the absurd structure of the hierarchy of the front office and the influence of Tortorella. The future of this franchise remains bleak.
- MJL

I get what you are saying, but I don't believe something called an "attack structure" exists. What it really is is chemistry, which is developed when lines practice together and play together on a regular basis. You're right about what Michkov is doing, but what is lacking is he does not have consistent line mates that understand where to go and what to expect when he has the puck, and vice versa. That develops over time, but not if every shift Michkov is out there with a different center and winger. In the end, not having a 1C that Michkov can play with is partially causing the lack of chemistry, as is the stupid penalties the Flyers have been taking.

There are no other teams which could've given him the contract he got here, same with Coots. The reason being only the player's current team can give 8 year contracts.

Going back to an earlier post that is yet another reason Coots isn't at fault for signing with the Flyers, they could offer what nobody else could but that's the same with TK.

The AAV would be the same most likely wherever he signed but players really want that 8th year. Still that's only a contract you offer if you feel you will be contenders during the front half of that contract. While the cap % will be less on the backend of the contract, so will the player abilities.

Generally speaking the Flyers tend to get screwed on the front half and the back half of these contracts, look at Coots, we are still years from looking at the back half of that contract.
- Flyers_01

The Flyers could've traded Konecny last year at the deadline or this year when he was in the final year of his deal and that team could've offered him 8 years.

I get what you are saying, but I don't believe something called an "attack structure" exists. What it really is is chemistry, which is developed when lines practice together and play together on a regular basis. You're right about what Michkov is doing, but what is lacking is he does not have consistent line mates that understand where to go and what to expect when he has the puck, and vice versa. That develops over time, but not if every shift Michkov is out there with a different center and winger. In the end, not having a 1C that Michkov can play with is partially causing the lack of chemistry, as is the stupid penalties the Flyers have been taking.
- jd250

Structure in the offensive zone absolutely exists. You need to educate yourself on hockey systems. It's not just about understanding. It is about coaching. Every offense is every sport has structure and design to it. It's coached and unfortunately, the Flyers coaching staff has no clue on how to coach offense.

You're wrong. Sanheim produced on the PP better than York did all of last season. Sanheim is another player you have a ridiculous bias against.
- MJL

Sanheim was tried on the PP, he's not good, plus plays too many minutes already. York has had some experience so I think he is a better option to develop. But the real answer is Andrae. If the Flyers refuse to play him because of his size, which I get but don't agree with, they should trade him.

if we could be free of Risto, that would be great
- 2Real

Ristolainen is fine now. Overpriced but fine. The smarter play would be to trade Bonk for a core piece while his value is highest this year. Attach one of the 2nd rd picks and that’s enough for someone good at a position of need. The team is likely getting middling picks for Ristolainen.

Maybe Lundell coming back? Dont know what his ceiling is like but I hear a lot of people like him. If FLA keeps Bennet then hes stuck on the 3rd line for the forseeable future.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

bennet will be a flyer if he hits free agency. 8 years 8 million per.....

what would you offer for Lundell to get them to trade him to the flyers?

Maybe Lundell coming back? Dont know what his ceiling is like but I hear a lot of people like him. If FLA keeps Bennet then hes stuck on the 3rd line for the forseeable future.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

They call Lundell Barkov junior. Doubt they move him

There are no other teams which could've given him the contract he got here, same with Coots. The reason being only the player's current team can give 8 year contracts.

Going back to an earlier post that is yet another reason Coots isn't at fault for signing with the Flyers, they could offer what nobody else could but that's the same with TK.

The AAV would be the same most likely wherever he signed but players really want that 8th year. Still that's only a contract you offer if you feel you will be contenders during the front half of that contract. While the cap % will be less on the backend of the contract, so will the player abilities.

Generally speaking the Flyers tend to get screwed on the front half and the back half of these contracts, look at Coots, we are still years from looking at the back half of that contract.
- Flyers_01

if they were traded the new team can give 8 years no?

Sanheim was tried on the PP, he's not good, plus plays too many minutes already. York has had some experience so I think he is a better option to develop. But the real answer is Andrae. If the Flyers refuse to play him because of his size, which I get but don't agree with, they should trade him.
- jd250

Again, last season, Sanhiem produced on the PP at a higher rate than York did.

How do you know Andrae is the real answer to the PP at the NHL level?

Ristolainen is fine now. Overpriced but fine. The smarter play would be to trade Bonk for a core piece while his value is highest this year. Attach one of the 2nd rd picks and that’s enough for someone good at a position of need. The team is likely getting middling picks for Ristolainen.
- psuhockey

Unless it is in a package to get a top pick in the draft. Trading Bonk for a player now would be completely foolish.

Again, last season, Sanhiem produced on the PP at a higher rate than York did.

How do you know Andrae is the real answer to the PP at the NHL level?
- MJL

Because he is the reason they didn't draft Buium?

Ristolainen is fine now. Overpriced but fine. The smarter play would be to trade Bonk for a core piece while his value is highest this year. Attach one of the 2nd rd picks and that’s enough for someone good at a position of need. The team is likely getting middling picks for Ristolainen.
- psuhockey

they are getting nothing for RR. he is a sunk cost. he has no trade value. ride it out for now.

he is fine as a 3rd pair dman is all.

when was the last tie the flyers traded a top end prospect exclude cutter)? when was the last time they traded a prospect for prospect trade?

Again, last season, Sanhiem produced on the PP at a higher rate than York did.

How do you know Andrae is the real answer to the PP at the NHL level?
- MJL

how do you know he isnt?

There are no other teams which could've given him the contract he got here, same with Coots. The reason being only the player's current team can give 8 year contracts.

Going back to an earlier post that is yet another reason Coots isn't at fault for signing with the Flyers, they could offer what nobody else could but that's the same with TK.

The AAV would be the same most likely wherever he signed but players really want that 8th year. Still that's only a contract you offer if you feel you will be contenders during the front half of that contract. While the cap % will be less on the backend of the contract, so will the player abilities.

Generally speaking the Flyers tend to get screwed on the front half and the back half of these contracts, look at Coots, we are still years from looking at the back half of that contract.
- Flyers_01

The 8 year deal would not have been a deal breaker. He would gladly sign 7 years with a contender. He wants to be here, for whatever reason.

I think this is completely disingenuous. Since Briere was named GM (March 2023) and Hilferty took over, they've made a conscious effort to acquire draft equity and what your seeing this year is them taking a step back and following their long term goal. To build through the draft. They have three first round picks next year.
- Dave21Brown

That doesn’t mean a thing when you keep players like TK who while is a very good player does not move the ball in the here and now. If the flyers can get out of their own way and become a good team again TK and that contract won’t be worth it.
They then panicked and signed Fedotov to an extremely generous deal as insurance and he isn’t very good right
Guys like Laughton should be gone. Nic D gone.
Having draft picks is great if you’re getting high end players.
When you do have the chance of getting a potential star player you draft him.
What I am saying is I don’t believe the front office is serious about taking a real step back.
I think they realize they will not be as good this year so they are covering their asses. If DB and KJ thought the playoffs were possible I have zero doubt they would push buttons to get there. Even if that meant hurting the team down the road.

https://x.com/HockeyNewsH...m_wDtKC9LELTAf0dwoLg&s=19

Just waiting for goalie #1 to come over in a few years. Zavragin 2nd SO this season.

bennet will be a flyer if he hits free agency. 8 years 8 million per.....

what would you offer for Lundell to get them to trade him to the flyers?
- hello it's me 2050

It was implied Konecny for Lundell before the NTC kicks in

The 8 year deal would not have been a deal breaker. He would gladly sign 7 years with a contender. He wants to be here, for whatever reason.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

likes the no pressure environment. clearly winning isn't a priority. learned from the best.