Mike Augello: Leafs Hold On For Win Over Winnipeg

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Well it's been only a few games.

But I'd dare say it was predictable to see Stamkos production plummet since he was mostly getting his point on the powerplay.

Anyone playing with a powerplay monster like Kucherov will get his fair share of points.

Tavares is worth more than 4.5M on the open market, that much is obvious. If he signs for that amount in Toronto, the bedsheets effect is very, very strong.

- Scabeh

Wrt Tavares, on a one year deal maybe he makes more? He'll be 35. If he wants a 2-3 year deal, then respectable and fair depreciation on the deal would need to be worked in - like 4.5, 3.5, 2.5 . . . I might be going too low considering the rising cap, but the Leafs have been paying too much to be top heavy without enough actual heavy (or fiercely competitive players) in their top-9. If Marner walks, then there's probably an extra couple of million kicking around for JT, but honestly performance and the market will dictate how they need to change the team based on this season and that probably affects JT's future here more than anything else.

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Wrt Tavares, on a one year deal maybe he makes more? He'll be 35. If he wants a 2-3 year deal, then respectable and fair depreciation on the deal would need to be worked in - like 4.5, 3.5, 2.5 . . . I might be going too low considering the rising cap, but the Leafs have been paying too much to be top heavy without enough actual heavy (or fiercely competitive players) in their top-9. If Marner walks, then there's probably an extra couple of million kicking around for JT, but honestly performance and the market will dictate how they need to change the team based on this season and that probably affects JT's future here more than anything else.
- Monkeypunk

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Wrt Tavares, on a one year deal maybe he makes more? He'll be 35. If he wants a 2-3 year deal, then respectable and fair depreciation on the deal would need to be worked in - like 4.5, 3.5, 2.5 . . . I might be going too low considering the rising cap, but the Leafs have been paying too much to be top heavy without enough actual heavy (or fiercely competitive players) in their top-9. If Marner walks, then there's probably an extra couple of million kicking around for JT, but honestly performance and the market will dictate how they need to change the team based on this season and that probably affects JT's future here more than anything else.
- Monkeypunk

At some point, you also just have to figure out if the points are worthy of the play. If JT keeps slowing down, but can still put up the points, is it better than a guy with less points and talent, but brings speed and other things?

I think every team with aging superstars runs into this.

- drexel

At some point, you also just have to figure out if the points are worthy of the play. If JT keeps slowing down, but can still put up the points, is it better than a guy with less points and talent, but brings speed and other things?

I think every team with aging superstars runs into this.
- AdamFrench

Case in Point:

At some point, you also just have to figure out if the points are worthy of the play. If JT keeps slowing down, but can still put up the points, is it better than a guy with less points and talent, but brings speed and other things?

I think every team with aging superstars runs into this.
- AdamFrench

If I'm JT's camp, I'm signing a new deal with the Leafs before Stamkos' numbers become too ugly to ignore.

Currently on pace for 9 goals, 27 points!

Case in Point:


- Monkeypunk

Ah yes comparing 2006 to 2025.

JT haters make me puke.

JT haters make me puke.
- Zezel

They are worse than Chef Boyardee ravioli.

If I'm JT's camp, I'm signing a new deal with the Leafs before Stamkos' numbers become too ugly to ignore.

Currently on pace for 9 goals, 27 points!
- Atomic Wedgie

He's on a 2PPG against ex-teams though. Hard to ignore.

They are worse than Chef Boyardee ravioli.
- Atomic Wedgie

A million trillion times worse.

Ah yes comparing 2006 to 2025.
- Santo_44

Ah yes. Someone who is too slow to keep up with the game has always been only relevant to the current year.

As I said, I'm not against Tavares - but you know he's slow and you know he's terrible defensively. What money is available to ensure he's supported properly if you opt to keep him? How does the team fare this year and how does JT and the term perform over the full season? Those are all going to factor into the next decisions being made.

Right now there are a number of names who will be UFA that are intriguing - how many are sealed up before the FA period opens up and how many have good enough seasons to warrant continued interest? Bennett, Faksa, Jeannot, Skinner, Mangiapane, Rantanen, Tanev, Mantha, Fast, Drouin, Suter . . .I'm listing some less impressive names in there because they also play important roles at times and we might need those guys. On D there's guys like Ekblad, Chychrun, Gavrikov, Provorov on the higher end, or role players like Dumoulin, Cole, Forbort or Schmidt on the lower end.

Case in Point:


- Monkeypunk

Sorry, but jt isnt a jason Allison.
Jason lost his footspeed and shot.
If there are better options over JT, then of course go with that.

He will Haafanpaaf and blow your 🏠 down

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Ah yes. Someone who is too slow to keep up with the game has always been only relevant to the current year.

As I said, I'm not against Tavares - but you know he's slow and you know he's terrible defensively. What money is available to ensure he's supported properly if you opt to keep him? How does the team fare this year and how does JT and the term perform over the full season? Those are all going to factor into the next decisions being made.

Right now there are a number of names who will be UFA that are intriguing - how many are sealed up before the FA period opens up and how many have good enough seasons to warrant continued interest? Bennett, Faksa, Jeannot, Skinner, Mangiapane, Rantanen, Tanev, Mantha, Fast, Drouin, Suter . . .I'm listing some less impressive names in there because they also play important roles at times and we might need those guys. On D there's guys like Ekblad, Chychrun, Gavrikov, Provorov on the higher end, or role players like Dumoulin, Cole, Forbort or Schmidt on the lower end.
- Monkeypunk

ffs man JT has never been the fastest player, and is not fast but he has always been a good player despite of it. You are cherry picking here. Comparing JT to Jason Allison? The dude would not even be an NHLer today. JT is.

I choose the option of a player taking less than market value always, especially a guy like JT who is highly respected and been here through it all. Subtract elsewhere.

The JT slander is embarrassing at this point, I don't get it.

Ah yes. Someone who is too slow to keep up with the game has always been only relevant to the current year.

As I said, I'm not against Tavares - but you know he's slow and you know he's terrible defensively. What money is available to ensure he's supported properly if you opt to keep him? How does the team fare this year and how does JT and the term perform over the full season? Those are all going to factor into the next decisions being made.

Right now there are a number of names who will be UFA that are intriguing - how many are sealed up before the FA period opens up and how many have good enough seasons to warrant continued interest? Bennett, Faksa, Jeannot, Skinner, Mangiapane, Rantanen, Tanev, Mantha, Fast, Drouin, Suter . . .I'm listing some less impressive names in there because they also play important roles at times and we might need those guys. On D there's guys like Ekblad, Chychrun, Gavrikov, Provorov on the higher end, or role players like Dumoulin, Cole, Forbort or Schmidt on the lower end.
- Monkeypunk

I'm not sure that's true. In fact I'm positive he's not terrible defensively. His skating is an issue and limits him but he's a solid dzone C and has been used in that role pretty consistently the last few playoffs. IIRC, JT was most often the shutdown C last playoffs.

Not a direct comparison but I think his agent probably uses Giroux as a recent comp. Giroux was a year younger when he signed at 3x6.5 but he was a declining PPG centre turned winger like JT.

I think JT could do 2x5 or 3x4 and the Leafs get good value. There's no hurry - see how things play out this year. If they do bring him back they need to set things up for him to move to the wing though.

Sorry, but jt isnt a jason Allison.
Jason lost his footspeed and shot.
If there are better options over JT, then of course go with that.
- Fakepartofme

In 2000-01 - during the dead puck era, Allison was 4th in NHL scoring with 95 points in 80 games. The following year he only played 73 games and was 2nd in NHL assists.

In 2014-15, JT was 2nd in NHL scoring and 4th in goals; he also in the top-5 in goals 2 other times in his career.

I mean JT is a notably better player and was definitely more consistent for a much longer period, but at his peak Jason Allison was an excellent player - he just slowed down rapidly and still exists as a warning to anyone not worried about slower players in important roles.

In 2000-01 - during the dead puck era, Allison was 4th in NHL scoring with 95 points in 80 games. The following year he only played 73 games and was 2nd in NHL assists.

In 2014-15, JT was 2nd in NHL scoring and 4th in goals; he also in the top-5 in goals 2 other times in his career.

I mean JT is a notably better player and was definitely more consistent for a much longer period, but at his peak Jason Allison was an excellent player - he just slowed down rapidly and still exists as a warning to anyone not worried about slower players in important roles.
- Monkeypunk

there was a 2 year break where Allison didnt play in the NHL..then the leafs invited him to camp.

might be a little different sit

Why is it so hard to delete posts on this godforsaken site?

Jason Allison missed two years of hockey - one to the lockout, one to a horrible divorce. ****Edit: I forgot he missed most of the season prior to the lockout due to injury*****

He then played one season for the Leafs after being two (***more like three***) (*seasons away from the game - that's a tough assignment for anyone.

I'm already on the record of not wanting to give JT much in terms of a next contract, but JT vs. JA is apples to oranges.

Is JT going to be to be to the Leafs what Kyle Opposo was to the Panthers?

I'd be fine with it provided JT takes a home town hair cut (and a fairly good one) to stay a Leaf.

I'm too lazy and busy to deeply research it but how many times has an NHL team who won the cup after the captaincy changed hands & the former captain was still on the team? It's not an occurrence that happens often (the captaincy changing and the former captain sticking around with that same team for a number of years)?

My lazy and fast research because I somehow knew this happened in Edmonton shows that Gretzky won the cup his first year as Captain in Edmonton taking the "C" from Lee Fogolin. Fogolin stayed with the Oilers and actually won 2 cups with the them and missed on a third cup as the former captain when he was traded late in the year to Buffalo (ouch on being moved to Buffalo from that stacked Oilers team!).

I have changed my mind and am now hoping JT will be the Oilers Lee Fogolin to the Leafs vs the Panthers Kyle Opposo.

Guys. The question is more about if the league is getting faster and faster. Why would the Leafs in a hypothetical that things didn't go right/well keep getting slower by extending JT? Every player has their end date and it's not always for the right reason. He likely has 4 years of 50-70 points left in him. It's his play style and if it will be what's needed for the Leafs. It's the same for every player if things go awry. Something would need to happen.

It's about roster construction at the end of the day.