Agents commission has nothing to do with W-2 income.

Federal tax is 37% if your AGI (married is $$731,000.

You can look up New York State tax rates

Show me your calculations that I am wrong.
- LAHawk

Its crazy if it's true, but my guess is when accountants and lawyers get done he's bringing in more money than Otto.

I'm certain none of these players do their taxes through puck pedia.

Its crazy if it's true, but my guess is when accountants and lawyers get done he's bringing in more money than Otto.

I'm certain none of these players do their taxes through puck pedia.
- BetweenTheDots

Don’t acktrack, show me where my math is wrong.

Lotta darts. And they missed on quite a few. That's just kind of the nature of the beast.

And for everyone who gets hard over Buffalo's prospect system their two best forwards were acquired in trades. Tuck, Thompson and Jason freakin Zucker lol.

But just be patient guys Kyle knows more than everyone else and we need to wait 5 years to figure out what is actually there and burn more Bedard years.
- fattybeef

Regardless of the prospect pool, my biggest grievance with the Hawks/KD is this:

KD said they want to play a fast, "relentless" style of hockey. He hired LR, who I'm assuming told KD that he was going to run a 1-2-2 a more passive, defensive system? KD wins the lottery, drafts Bedard, and then proceeds to make the team much older, slower, and less skilled.

This is what I'm talking about when I say they should go out and get better players to put around Bedard. Not blowing the cap out by signing $10M+ guys, but at least players that can keep up and play the way they said they were going to. Maybe I should change that to "more appropriate" instead of "better.

Why would they set themselves up to play a brand of hockey that is polar opposite to the ultimate goals?

Don’t acktrack, show me where my math is wrong.
- LAHawk

What math you went to puckpedia and then did i gotcha moment. Punk move

So this is assuming he's a resident of NYC? Is he?

What math you went to puckpedia and then did i gotcha moment. Punk move

So this is assuming he's a resident of NYC? Is he?
- BetweenTheDots

The money is taxable by NYC if at MSG, no?

The money is taxable by NYC if at MSG, no?
- 333inthe3rd

I don't know let's wait for LA Hawk the NY tax pro

Looking at that puckpedia taxbracket estimator, Chicago is not so bad a destination compared to a lot of other cities. If all these proposed numbers are correct.

I don't know let's wait for LA Hawk the NY tax pro
- BetweenTheDots

The tax implication stuff is overblown. That's just me.

I gather this started based on the Buffalo comment about NY taxes being the big deterrent to free agents signing there. The problem with that is that the Rangers are a free agent destination, despite the well known tax burden. And Nashville, of zero state income tax fame, hasn't been much of a destination, aside from players with wives who are country singers. And I'm guessing if they continue to suck this year, a few players probably wouldn't mind the tax increase that comes with being traded to a contender.

Also, some of these higher tax places have more potential for outside income from endorsements and such. Plus they are often more interesting places, Buffalo aside.

Regardless of the prospect pool, my biggest grievance with the Hawks/KD is this:

KD said they want to play a fast, "relentless" style of hockey. He hired LR, who I'm assuming told KD that he was going to run a 1-2-2 a more passive, defensive system? KD wins the lottery, drafts Bedard, and then proceeds to make the team much older, slower, and less skilled.

This is what I'm talking about when I say they should go out and get better players to put around Bedard. Not blowing the cap out by signing $10M+ guys, but at least players that can keep up and play the way they said they were going to. Maybe I should change that to "more appropriate" instead of "better.

Why would they set themselves up to play a brand of hockey that is polar opposite to the ultimate goals?
- Chunk

LR said he wanted to pay fast hockey when he first got hired.

Friedman made a good point about it in the podcast that covered the firing - coaches in these rebuild situations are set up fail and most don't make it to the other side. I don't think anyone was surprised with what happened.

When you tell a guy "win some more games" they're gonna do their best to do that. At any cost. Some guys revert to parking the bus others say we're going to play fun "the sport" no matter what and if I get fired well at least we tried.

They set themselves up this way because that was what was available - assistant GM captain talks a lot had a bunch of friends who needed paper - and it's all placeholders while we wait for Moore, Lardass, Nazar and others.

It's another tank year without being a tank year. It doesn't make a lot of sense to implement the system you're going to use when you turn over the roster again - if the roster you have doesn't fit it and isn't going to be around long enough to bring the younger players into it anyway.

They went hard for Guentzel and he went to Tampa instead.

Regardless of the prospect pool, my biggest grievance with the Hawks/KD is this:

KD said they want to play a fast, "relentless" style of hockey. He hired LR, who I'm assuming told KD that he was going to run a 1-2-2 a more passive, defensive system? KD wins the lottery, drafts Bedard, and then proceeds to make the team much older, slower, and less skilled.

This is what I'm talking about when I say they should go out and get better players to put around Bedard. Not blowing the cap out by signing $10M+ guys, but at least players that can keep up and play the way they said they were going to. Maybe I should change that to "more appropriate" instead of "better.

Why would they set themselves up to play a brand of hockey that is polar opposite to the ultimate goals?
- Chunk

Just a bit of a counter , but I think they moved to that defensive stature more out of need than what was the long term plan. More to try to stop bleeding so many goals after last season. KD did inherit a lot of parts of the team and I think he did ditch a lot of passengers/underachieving or unskilled players between this year and last.

i.e. Entwistle, R Johnson, T Johnson, Raddysh, Katchouk, etc..

A lot of our slower/older guys are here just as placeholders or as guys to provide that vet experience/leadership role... Sure it would be nice to sign/add guys who are a perfect fit but they are also limited in options when it comes to UFA/Trade. Undoubtable they would have had to overpay more to get the more coveted players who would "fit better" and for very little benefit, the team isn't ready to win in a big way. The rebuild not complete.

We all want to surround Bedard with good players, but the reality is that we got him very early in the this rebuild and he is still very young and developing having just played barely over a season's worth of pro hockey. When the guy gets to age 21-22 we probably start to see him play like a guy ready to be part of a contending team and hopefully we have some much better skill top to bottom ready.

Nah man, most of those few older guys that scored are just a small blip. A bit of puck luck and increased ice time/opportunity. Guys like TT, Bertuzzi seeing increased PP time this season and still on pace to score less, not a huge drop, but a drop still.

Bedard is on pace for 15. Hall is on pace for 10. Mikheyev is on pace for 6. Kurashev on pace for 9. Reichel on pace for 10. The team is scoring below their ability and it is not just personnel. Especially when you consider the fact we actually have a decent PP% for once.

If you want to argue that playing the trap and defensive hockey under LR was optimal for scoring, you can but I will still say that's BS. I think they have been leaving offense on the table because they spend too much time trying to hold onto leads and icing the puck.
- breadbag

Now that's the eloquent response I didn't have for Fatty. Good post BB and I agree...... Don't think KD was looking for career yrs but as you point out he didn't expect Bedard to be on pace for 15 goals, Hall 10, Mikheyev 6 or even Kurashev 9 or Reichel 10 will wreck most any plan.

Right on BB, if these guys are on an even reasonable pace the record is much different and in fact KD and Crew may have looked at those very numbers and decided too many are playing way below where they should and decided it's time to move on from LR.

But if the goal is to get Bedard going and build confidence you want them on the ice together because they are two creative players that should do some damage.

If he plays like he did last night he'll be fine in the NHL and if it truly is the best player plays then he'll stay up and they'll rotate or move the veterans.

Keith's second Norris season he started 57.6% of the time in the ozone.
- fattybeef

Fatty, would you agree anytime Bedard is on the ice there's a chance the Hawks get hemmed in for 45-60 seconds? I know I've seen that countless times. That's where the kid is at right now...

Now add a 20 yr old KK who's light on his skates and wanting in his zone, but improving as his 25 games in RKF is showing, and your already decent odds of getting hemmed in with Bedard on the ice increases. .......... Fatty, how does chasing the puck for 45 seconds every 3rd shift burning the legs of all 5 players and the goalie make KK and Bedard more dangerous or help the Hawks win or help them develop?

I get it, KK and Bedard SHOULD be dangerous together cuz of the way they play but they aren't foundationally sound enough to do that in the NHL in 2024.

Davidson and crew did run the numbers and Maciver (associate GM) literally said "where are the goals going to come from?" on a television program lol.


- fattybeef

I missed this, Fatty. Can you link me up?

Lotta darts. And they missed on quite a few. That's just kind of the nature of the beast.

And for everyone who gets hard over Buffalo's prospect system their two best forwards were acquired in trades. Tuck, Thompson and Jason freakin Zucker lol.

But just be patient guys Kyle knows more than everyone else and we need to wait 5 years to figure out what is actually there and burn more Bedard years.
- fattybeef

You're right. The big misses were Skille and Barker.
I like following all of these young prospects,and reading Rico,Wiz,totem and anyone else that has some prospect news/viewing/comments.

One thing that sucks in a way but that I also enjoy is looking back and thinking: I remember when I thought so and so was going to be a solid NHLer ..like Mark McNeil?

LR said he wanted to pay fast hockey when he first got hired.

Friedman made a good point about it in the podcast that covered the firing - coaches in these rebuild situations are set up fail and most don't make it to the other side. I don't think anyone was surprised with what happened.

When you tell a guy "win some more games" they're gonna do their best to do that. At any cost. Some guys revert to parking the bus others say we're going to play fun "the sport" no matter what and if I get fired well at least we tried.

They set themselves up this way because that was what was available - assistant GM captain talks a lot had a bunch of friends who needed paper - and it's all placeholders while we wait for Moore, Lardass, Nazar and others.

It's another tank year without being a tank year. It doesn't make a lot of sense to implement the system you're going to use when you turn over the roster again - if the roster you have doesn't fit it and isn't going to be around long enough to bring the younger players into it anyway.

They went hard for Guentzel and he went to Tampa instead.
- fattybeef

Rossi was available, Frost was and is available, I'm sure there were other FA's they could have over-paid as well.

Rossi was available, Frost was and is available, I'm sure there were other FA's they could have over-paid as well.
- Chunk

I didn't and still don't have any problem with Teuvo,Bert or Martinez...heck even Brossoit since we didn't know Arvid would show up and be competent.
I just figured they'd move a prospect/pick for a decent fwd either during the off season or at the beginning of the season if they struggled to get Bedard going. Now that they haven't I'm kinda pissed at KD for not calling up Nazar yet,or trying to make a move for someone like Frost.

You're right. The big misses were Skille and Barker.
I like following all of these young prospects,and reading Rico,Wiz,totem and anyone else that has some prospect news/viewing/comments.

One thing that sucks in a way but that I also enjoy is looking back and thinking: I remember when I thought so and so was going to be a solid NHLer ..like Mark McNeil?
- captainserious

We had Dach (he still has time) and Boquist recently, so hopefully that'll hedge us from having our recent high picks as disappointments.

Fatty, would you agree anytime Bedard is on the ice there's a chance the Hawks get hemmed in for 45-60 seconds? I know I've seen that countless times. That's where the kid is at right now...

Now add a 20 yr old KK who's light on his skates and wanting in his zone, but improving as his 25 games in RKF is showing, and your already decent odds of getting hemmed in with Bedard on the ice increases. .......... Fatty, how does chasing the puck for 45 seconds every 3rd shift burning the legs of all 5 players and the goalie make KK and Bedard more dangerous or help the Hawks win or help them develop?

I get it, KK and Bedard SHOULD be dangerous together cuz of the way they play but they aren't foundationally sound enough to do that in the NHL in 2024.
- Mr Ricochet

Yeah this is how I've felt about Bedard's game recently. That's why you can't pair him with Kurashev right now as he's the same, doubling the chances of being hemmed in. I'd still pair Bedard with TT due to the success earlier in the season and better puck possession.

I didn't and still don't have any problem with Teuvo,Bert or Martinez...heck even Brossoit since we didn't know Arvid would show up and be competent.
I just figured they'd move a prospect/pick for a decent fwd either during the off season or at the beginning of the season if they struggled to get Bedard going. Now that they haven't I'm kinda pissed at KD for not calling up Nazar yet,or trying to make a move for someone like Frost.
- captainserious

Nazar is coming, he’ll be up before year end. It’s very challenging to trade for a decent forward that fits their timeline, yes Frost does but does he move the needle? I don’t think that he does. There are rumors out there that Cozens could be available, that KD should look into. Buffalo has been looking for a right shot defenseman for a couple of years, maybe there’s a package that KD can put together to make a deal.

Fatty, would you agree anytime Bedard is on the ice there's a chance the Hawks get hemmed in for 45-60 seconds? I know I've seen that countless times. That's where the kid is at right now...

Now add a 20 yr old KK who's light on his skates and wanting in his zone, but improving as his 25 games in RKF is showing, and your already decent odds of getting hemmed in with Bedard on the ice increases. .......... Fatty, how does chasing the puck for 45 seconds every 3rd shift burning the legs of all 5 players and the goalie make KK and Bedard more dangerous or help the Hawks win or help them develop?

I get it, KK and Bedard SHOULD be dangerous together cuz of the way they play but they aren't foundationally sound enough to do that in the NHL in 2024.
- Mr Ricochet

Is your argument that they should sit Bedard then, since he's not ready to play in the NHL without getting pinned in his own zone? What is your threshold for allowing the prospects to play in the NHL? The kids need to learn how to not get pinned in their own zone in the NHL, no?

You're right. The big misses were Skille and Barker.
I like following all of these young prospects,and reading Rico,Wiz,totem and anyone else that has some prospect news/viewing/comments.

One thing that sucks in a way but that I also enjoy is looking back and thinking: I remember when I thought so and so was going to be a solid NHLer ..like Mark McNeil?
- captainserious

Maybe McNeill is the big experienced center the Hawks need. 31 y/o. 6'2", 215lbs. 44 points in 60 games last year. Still playing in the 2nd division in Germany. red font

Mc Neill played 2 games in the NHL. One for Hawks and one for Dallas. A total of 26 minutes TOI.

And to counter balance that Danault. Same round of same draft as McNeill.

Also drafted that year Nugent Hopkins, Landeskog, Huberdeau, Larson, R. Strome, Zibanejad, Scheifele, Couturier, Hamilton, JT Miller, Armia, Oleksiak, C Murphy, Namestnikov, Rakell, Jenner, Pageau, Gaudreau, Lowry, Trocheck, Kucherov, Karlsson, Saad. Not a bad draft class. 23 players in that draft played more than 700 games in the NHL.

Regardless of the prospect pool, my biggest grievance with the Hawks/KD is this:

KD said they want to play a fast, "relentless" style of hockey. He hired LR, who I'm assuming told KD that he was going to run a 1-2-2 a more passive, defensive system? KD wins the lottery, drafts Bedard, and then proceeds to make the team much older, slower, and less skilled.

This is what I'm talking about when I say they should go out and get better players to put around Bedard. Not blowing the cap out by signing $10M+ guys, but at least players that can keep up and play the way they said they were going to. Maybe I should change that to "more appropriate" instead of "better.

Why would they set themselves up to play a brand of hockey that is polar opposite to the ultimate goals?
- Chunk

I should have addressed this when it first popped up, yo fatty, about this trap the Hawks are being said to play. This ain't close to a trap. A 1-2-2 can be played aggressively or passive but it's not a 1-3-1, which is a true NJ Devils trap.

In a 1-3-1 trap no forward gets past the tops of the circles. Hell, they'll just sit there if a Dman stands behind the net challenging them to come up and play for :30, 1:00, 2:00. Remember watching this? .......... LR's system always had a forward go deep, just think how many times you remember Bedard doing a stick wave fly by stick wave forecheck below the circles. Ain't a Hawk's fan with sight that doesn't remember this 100 times. Any time you saw that there was no trap and that goes for any other forward you saw down that low forechecking.

This probably doesn't include you, Chunk, but for sure it does to Fatty and anyone calling LR's system a trap.

Yes, KD said relentless and then went out and drafted Ludwinski, Moore, Nazar, Spellacy and on and on. Indeed, he wants to build a fast puck hungry squad. ..... Pure foot speed matters but a Hall, Smith, Mikheyev, Bertuzzi, Martinez, even if they might not skate fast, are professional hockey players who know positional hockey and can and do play fast.

I'm not disagreeing with you but we've seen slow pokes like Stone, Pavelski, Maroon types up there in league scoring leaders and win cups and cup team don't play slow.

If Sorensen can get even 1/2 of what he got outa the club v NYR this club will play fast and be fun to watch. Remember though, loosening things (2 man deep forecheck-Dmen pinching-the 3rd F in their Dzone high) lead to more chances against and a decent amount of those lead to odd mans against and HDCA.

Is your argument that they should sit Bedard then, since he's not ready to play in the NHL without getting pinned in his own zone? What is your threshold for allowing the prospects to play in the NHL? The kids need to learn how to not get pinned in their own zone in the NHL, no?
- Chunk

Chunk, you could not have expected a response. I'll leave it at that.

I missed this, Fatty. Can you link me up?
- Mr Ricochet

That MacIver comment was on one of the Hawks "Every Shift" videos earlier this year. Found it, here's the link. Towards the end at the 21, 22 minute mark.

https://www.nhl.com/black...-role-s3-e1-6362802868112

Fatty, would you agree anytime Bedard is on the ice there's a chance the Hawks get hemmed in for 45-60 seconds? I know I've seen that countless times. That's where the kid is at right now...

Now add a 20 yr old KK who's light on his skates and wanting in his zone, but improving as his 25 games in RKF is showing, and your already decent odds of getting hemmed in with Bedard on the ice increases. .......... Fatty, how does chasing the puck for 45 seconds every 3rd shift burning the legs of all 5 players and the goalie make KK and Bedard more dangerous or help the Hawks win or help them develop?

I get it, KK and Bedard SHOULD be dangerous together cuz of the way they play but they aren't foundationally sound enough to do that in the NHL in 2024.
- Mr Ricochet

It's not just him.

He should be playing with guys who can get the puck. Not other players who are prone to be buried.