Cozens has been very bad and also costs a lot of money for a very long time. He's a reclamation project with a massive price tag. He does not look like a 2C at this point.

Cozens does not look good right now. That is part of the reason Buffalo is in the poopter. Maybe that makes sense if Buffalo eats half the deal OR if all he costs is a 3rd and Kurashev. Moving Rinzel for Cozens would not be a good trade. Rinzel would be used to get a player at the level of Brady or Miko or someone who is a legitimate force to be reckoned with.

There's talk amongst the Buffalo fan base to buy him out.

Norris on the other hand is on pace for another 30 goal season and looks to be healthy. He also plays 200ft and should not be egregiously expensive because of the injury history.

Id rather have the guy that you know is a player that is hopefully over his injuries vs a guy you're hoping figures it out someday for the same money.

Frost is nice because he would be cheap both in his next deal as well as to acquire. He can't be worse than most of what the Hawks are running out there.
- fattybeef

Norris is good, however too many red flags with his shoulder. I would not include Rinzel in a trade for Cozens, I’m with you there, but I like what the kid brings. Very hard to assess him at this time as the Sabres are even a bigger mess than the Rangers.

Cozens has a very cheap annual buyout cost, $1.18 mill per over 10 seasons. What happened to his production, anyway? Injuries? No chemistry in Buffalo? Or is the better question how did he get 68 points in 2023?

Two things for starters, the offer has to be better than what Buffalo gains by buying him out. And no blue chip prospects going the other way. They are not in cap hell, so that is not a pressure point for them.

Cozens has a very cheap annual buyout cost, $1.18 mill per over 10 seasons. What happened to his production, anyway? Injuries? No chemistry in Buffalo? Or is the better question how did he get 68 points in 2023?

Two things for starters, the offer has to be better than what Buffalo gains by buying him out. And no blue chip prospects going the other way. They are not in cap hell, so that is not a pressure point for them.
- 333inthe3rd

A lot of guys had a big year in Buffalo that year goal wise.

His shooting percentage was also above what his career average has been. 18/29 last year wasn't terrible but it's not something you pay 7 millions for.

The sky is falling in general in Buffalo but obviously because of his contract he's getting beat up there by the fan base.

Norris is good, however too many red flags with his shoulder. I would not include Rinzel in a trade for Cozens, I’m with you there, but I like what the kid brings. Very hard to assess him at this time as the Sabres are even a bigger mess than the Rangers.
- Angotti

I'm less bothered by the shoulder thing. Hossa and Havlat both had chronic shoulder issues before coming here that were addressed well enough.

Yes I work in Cybersecurity and Risk Management so it's always something burning down.

I think the McCaskey's have been better at trying to delegate to football people. It's just an issue of not hiring the right people which can be difficult in any job.

At this point you'd think they would bring in a new GM and Coach combo but who knows. The whole stadium thing is a mess as well.
- fattybeef

They have a tax deal and land in Arlington Heights. Stadium is not a mess just not where they want to be. I read yesterday they want the lakefront but Chicago won't let them have that location.

I'm less bothered by the shoulder thing. Hossa and Havlat both had chronic shoulder issues before coming here that were addressed well enough.
- fattybeef

Norris hasn’t played a complete season in seven years. On top of that he’s making huge coin for a guy who is constantly injured. Who do you think would be complaining the loudest if KD signed Norris and he played a half a season?

They have a tax deal and land in Arlington Heights. Stadium is not a mess just not where they want to be. I read yesterday they want the lakefront but Chicago won't let them have that location.
- rpeters01

Someone in Chicago’s city government had amazing foresight and did a great job ensuring the lakefront is left open for everyone. Toronto sold out and cluttered the lakefront with condo on condo on condo and they’re not only building more but there’s talk about recovering land by building into the lake to build more.

Someone in Chicago’s city government had amazing foresight and did a great job ensuring the lakefront is left open for everyone. Toronto sold out and cluttered the lakefront with condo on condo on condo and they’re not only building more but there’s talk about recovering land by building into the lake to build more.
- paulr

Good, want the stadium not too far from Ohare anyway so I can fly in and out same day.

And for those posting about trading Rinzel,

Leave him alone!

And for those posting about trading Rinzel,

Leave him alone!
- vabeachbear

Lucky no one on here makes or even influences trades. I can’t even imagine the disaster.

Norris hasn’t played a complete season in seven years. On top of that he’s making huge coin for a guy who is constantly injured. Who do you think would be complaining the loudest if KD signed Norris and he played a half a season?
- paulr

It's the same argument as if KD got Cozens, paid him 7 millions and he only scored 40 points per year.

Its a waste.

In both cases it's assuming that the player has put a past problem behind them. I think that there is less risk with a player who has physical issues vs a player who has mental or maturity ones.

The Hawks have proven they can fix shoulders. They have not proven they can help a player with a "million dollar arm and ten cent head" yet. Someone else may have a different risk model that doesn't align with that rationale and thats not a bad thing.

The injuries stacked up through his prime but a player like Monahan has been valuable across his career in spite of that because when he's on the ice he makes teams better and its not at a crippling salary.

Average time missed per player in the NHL per year is 10 games. The 5 previous season TT has been below that 3 times. Bertuzzi has been below that number 3 times (with a 9 and 50 game season for two of them). And those were pick ups everyone seemed to be pretty happy about with not lot of complaints about injury history.

Seth Jones has not been durable through his prime. 67, 72, 78, 56 and 56 the previous 5 seasons and will probably be under 70 again this year. Does his value outweigh the time he will miss? I guess it depends on the team. To a team like Ottawa probably. To the Hawks with how outstanding their young guys have played, probably not as much.

It's really easy to get enamored with a toolset. Thats why Seth Jones has a massive contract, people keep a player like Kurashev around a season or two too long or give Lukas Reichel an extended look. A player like Reichel with his GP and everything else probably worth it to be patient at his salary. Kurashev probably not so much his roster spot should be considered for someone else who can add differnet value.

At a certain point results matter especially when the player has a significant salary.

They have a tax deal and land in Arlington Heights. Stadium is not a mess just not where they want to be. I read yesterday they want the lakefront but Chicago won't let them have that location.
- rpeters01

They'll never get it. That lake front won't see another major development unless its to prevent erosion. If anything they'll reclaim more land there for parks.

Nope. I tuned into that Brampton v Brantford to see Martone again and get to see Vanacker and Lardis too. ..... Martone didn't dress so I tuned into the RKF v IA for a bit then watched 2 periods of a helluva game that went to a shootout, Prince George v Tri City. Great game, two well coached squads that execute.

Left shot 6ft 3 in Dman Jackson Smith is listed as the 3rd Dman in some rankings so I watched for him. Kid shows quick hands and handled the puck nicely deking a forward as he drove the net and got a wrister off........ I can see what people like Smith but the TC coach really just rotates his pairs so he wasn't on the ice that much so one viewing just scratches' the surface.

Left hand catcher Ravensbergen is as advertised. Kid moved, tracked and played really well. Some rankings have him going in the teens of the 1st rd. ......... Think he might be Canada's starter in the upcoming U-20 WJC so we'll get a real good look at him if indeed he's the guy.
- Mr Ricochet

Saw this one too. I am all in on Ravensbergen and have been hyping him this year but it doesn't seem like he will get to the Toronto #1 anymore. Still expect CHI to take a goalie early, maybe have to look at Ivankovic as Wiz has in his current mock.

There has been buzz about the Tri-City forward Gavin Garland (2 assists last night). He was eligible last year but wasn't drafted, and didn't play in the WHL (played in the AJHL). This year he has popped up and is at 16-17-33 points in 26 games. I assume he would be in the draft again this year; no idea what round he might get taken. Maybe someone to watch for.

Still like Jett Lajoie (PG) as a mid rounder. All the previous draft picks have returned to Prince George and so lately his scoring has slowed. Showed a nose for the net though earlier in the year.

Someone in Chicago’s city government had amazing foresight and did a great job ensuring the lakefront is left open for everyone. Toronto sold out and cluttered the lakefront with condo on condo on condo and they’re not only building more but there’s talk about recovering land by building into the lake to build more.
- paulr

It was urban planned for the 1893 World's Fair.

It's the same argument as if KD got Cozens, paid him 7 millions and he only scored 40 points per year.

Its a waste.

In both cases it's assuming that the player has put a past problem behind them. I think that there is less risk with a player who has physical issues vs a player who has mental or maturity ones.

The Hawks have proven they can fix shoulders. They have not proven they can help a player with a "million dollar arm and ten cent head" yet. Someone else may have a different risk model that doesn't align with that rationale and thats not a bad thing.

The injuries stacked up through his prime but a player like Monahan has been valuable across his career in spite of that because when he's on the ice he makes teams better and its not at a crippling salary.

Average time missed per player in the NHL per year is 10 games. The 5 previous season TT has been below that 3 times. Bertuzzi has been below that number 3 times (with a 9 and 50 game season for two of them). And those were pick ups everyone seemed to be pretty happy about with not lot of complaints about injury history.

Seth Jones has not been durable through his prime. 67, 72, 78, 56 and 56 the previous 5 seasons and will probably be under 70 again this year. Does his value outweigh the time he will miss? I guess it depends on the team. To a team like Ottawa probably. To the Hawks with how outstanding their young guys have played, probably not as much.

It's really easy to get enamored with a toolset. Thats why Seth Jones has a massive contract, people keep a player like Kurashev around a season or two too long or give Lukas Reichel an extended look. A player like Reichel with his GP and everything else probably worth it to be patient at his salary. Kurashev probably not so much his roster spot should be considered for someone else who can add differnet value.

At a certain point results matter especially when the player has a significant salary.
- fattybeef

Not taking away from your point, but just for accuracy, Seth's two 56 game seasons were 2019-20 and 20-21 the shortened seasons.

It was urban planned for the 1893 World's Fair.
- rpeters01

I once read some developer found a loophole and built a condo close to the waterfront but Chicago’s council quickly closed all loopholes to prevent a recurrence. Any truth to that?

Lucky no one on here makes or even influences trades. I can’t even imagine the disaster.
- paulr

What’s the matter, you wouldn’t want Bedard and Vlasic on the trade block?

What’s the matter, you wouldn’t want Bedard and Vlasic on the trade block?
- Angotti

If Bedard goes a few more games without a goal it wouldn’t surprise me to see this get suggested.

I have to say since Anders promotion Rockford has stunk.
- BetweenTheDots

Because as I said before, Mark Eaton is not a coach.

Good guy, front office material, not coaching material.

If Bedard goes a few more games without a goal it wouldn’t surprise me to see this get suggested.
- paulr

Read some other boards. It already has.

Because as I said before, Mark Eaton is not a coach.

Good guy, front office material, not coaching material.
- dahawks8819

KD better look over his shoulder, obviously you’re far more knowledgeable.

I once read some developer found a loophole and built a condo close to the waterfront but Chicago’s council quickly closed all loopholes to prevent a recurrence. Any truth to that?
- paulr

Well they allowed the Obama library although the residents in the neighborhood wanted to keep the park a park for the kids

I once read some developer found a loophole and built a condo close to the waterfront but Chicago’s council quickly closed all loopholes to prevent a recurrence. Any truth to that?
- paulr

I've never heard of that? When you get to the North Loop it's all housing on the lakefront.

Sodablom’s 60th NHL game tonight, is now waiver eligible.

Cozens has been very bad and also costs a lot of money for a very long time. He's a reclamation project with a massive price tag. He does not look like a 2C at this point.

Cozens does not look good right now. That is part of the reason Buffalo is in the poopter. Maybe that makes sense if Buffalo eats half the deal OR if all he costs is a 3rd and Kurashev. Moving Rinzel for Cozens would not be a good trade. Rinzel would be used to get a player at the level of Brady or Miko or someone who is a legitimate force to be reckoned with.

There's talk amongst the Buffalo fan base to buy him out.

Norris on the other hand is on pace for another 30 goal season and looks to be healthy. He also plays 200ft and should not be egregiously expensive because of the injury history.

Id rather have the guy that you know is a player that is hopefully over his injuries vs a guy you're hoping figures it out someday for the same money.

Frost is nice because he would be cheap both in his next deal as well as to acquire. He can't be worse than most of what the Hawks are running out there.
- fattybeef

Please stop yourself, fatty. Cmon man, 7th overall, played a yr in the NHL at 19, at 20 he put up .5 per, 21 he pops for SIXTY EIGHT, 47 as a 22 yr old, 13 in 29 this yr.

Kid is a legit 6ft 3in 200 lbs and he's 23. Buy him out???? Cmon, fatty, so you read the most idiotic maniac BUF poster, and bring it here like it's mainstream?? ... Cmon, fatty.

Is there risk? Of course there is with any single player who ever played. He's a centerman, Bedard is not and besides D!ckinson they don't have an NHL centerman in the whole pipeline.

Buy him out? Geeeez, fatty. ............. He'll cost Rinzel +. I'd move any Dman in the system in a Cozens package except Vlasic, although they'd be dealing from considerable strength, and Levshunov to bring the Hawks a 23 yr old, big time back class, 6ft 3in 200lb centerman who scored 68 as a 21 yr old, at 23 has 309 NHL games (he's always healthy) who never played AHL, straight to the Bigs and still has .58 ppg in those 309 NHL games.

Buy him out??? Stop yourself, fatty.