Went through all that - I post one trade to illustrate the issue with it.


To Blackhawks: Elias Pettersson

To Canucks: Frank Nazar, Marek Vanacker, 2025 First-Round Pick (TOR)

I like Nazar a lot, I am thinking that TOR pick is where they take a goalie, and even though Vanaker is slight, he seems to survive to hit the back of the net.

Elias Pettersson will "help" Bedard? How by teaching him to be more like HIM?
His scoring toatsl blow his contact blows and even though he is a "centre" his set place is from the rw farther outside.

YEARS ago in these blogs I said that during his junior career Kurachev was afraid in so many circumstances. That's how I see Elias Pettersson - if HE played like Donato he be a much more dominant player.
I agree in spirit a sniper for BEdsy to go along with current front man Bertuzzi really would help.
But I afraid I don't Elias Pettersson is a fit.
- wiz1901

Wiz, curious how you rated Nazar's IQ in his draft yr?... I watched his U-17/U-18 yrs with NTDP and saw him live near 10 times over the 2 yrs, and on a stream a few more, and was always impressed with his skill, speed and compete but was neutral on his IQ. Same for his U of MI yrs and still was neutral on his IQ but the late season 4ish game callup last yr I was taken aback by his IQ.

We see splashes of that this yr but most every shift last yr he simply made plays on both sides of the puck and in all 3 zones. ..... I've bumped up his ceiling since he hit pro.

I don't want Pettersen as I see a good enough amount of empty calorie points, he will disappear for whole games and he ain't that interested about playing in his zone. I posted that link more to show fans what they can expect to give up for a youngish top 6 centerman...... You'll be giving up multiple high end prospects/draft picks. I'm ok with a deal like that for the right player and I don't think Petey is that guy.

But make no mistake, and as you well know, he has some fine backclass as the 5th overall, a bunch of WJC's and thru 7 yrs in the NHL he has 441 pts in 445 games, and is 26!! Add he has good size and plays center.........

I pretty much out of hand did not want Petey but after refreshing my memory at his EP page I'll now listen to proposals for Pettersen. https://www.eliteprospect...r/266336/elias-pettersson

https://chl.ca/ohl/video/ohl-highlights-connor-mcdavid-ohl-top-prospects-game-jan-15-2025/

OHL Top Prospects Game was last night.

Box: https://chl.ca/ohl/gamecentre/28038/

Martone 1G 1A, got the winner in overtime.
Misa 1A
Reid (Kitchener) 3A
Spence 4 SOG
T. Hayes 2 SOG

Lots of mid-round prospects in the game. Did not watch, couldn't find it on TV or streaming.

Had not heard of Cameron Reid from Kitchener, Wiz has him at #33 in his draft.
- totem

Totem, my prospect bruh, he is locke din around 33.

Due to the to hurricanes, there are lots of work for me in real life so my draft board is so behind, and probably am finish with a solid top 75 that will have movement, but they all go around there. https://www.lines.com/nhl/drafts/2025

Kyle said post-2025 Draft that he would be very interested in another goaler prospect in 2025, becasue it is a goalie strong crop.
So you have a fan sitting up the board and have the fun power to chose for your team.
I like the first one on the board, Joshua Ravensbergen a lot but have no idea where the Hawks see him. (I of course fear one of the teams right befor ethat Torornto pick will take him! Also if the Maple Leafs go on a playoff run, that pick falls back to the end of the round.
My prediction is they use that 2nd first or their second 2nd to get one.

Here's is another thing I like this Jack Ivankovic far more than Central scouting, whose mid term ranks seem to reflect skaters with size ahead of player with more production in junior.

....and Ivankovic is an excellent goalie who is maybe six feet.

The rub is his father was a goalie too, and he had a few games in Oshawa, London, ( later Wilfrid Laurier Univ.) and was 6 foot 4.

Do you take a chance by waiting for him to grow?
So when does a hawk pick become the goalie?

I just have a feeling the hawks will stand pat this draft and not throw the 2nd rounders into trade bait.
There will be plenty of goalies if you just are picking one in the late second and third (whenever the run comes) based on potential.
Same with many kids on both sides of the ocean at the both forward and defense, you just got get lucky with the small guy who becoms your Kucherov...
(dreams)

Not sure what the fancy stats say,but the Hawks seem to be buzzing quite a bit.
- captainserious

Yeah nice way to say it, but I saw it too.

Soderblom is dialed in, square to not only the puck but the possibilities. quiet and quick..... The transformation of this guy in one year is absolutely crazy.
- Mr Ricochet

I always felt he had good technique but now he keepe simproving to the point I am not worried about him being a pro.

Nazar reminds me of Pit Martin. Yeah I am going back 50 years.
- LAHawk

I once had a dentist who was his cousin, and when he told me, I just said, "...and we traded Phil Esposito for him?"

Martin had Pappin and Hull on his wings. Tough players who could score. Bedard doesn't have even close to that yet. Now, if they could find another Secord and Larmer, I would be thrilled!
- bjphawkfan

Nazar and Spellacy?

I also thought Dach would struggle in the bigs, but he's been a pleasant surprise, i just like the way he plays the game. He looks like a kid who gives an honest shift any time he is out there.
- BetweenTheDots

I gotta agree that his boots are a bit less heavy and he has been giving good shifts.

How do you feel about a trade involving Seth Jones and Pettersson?
- 333inthe3rd

One up?
Sure.

I think much of the board hate for Jones seems very different than the big leagus GM who are calling on him as they see the Hawks pipeline coming through the turn style, but of course the want the Hawks to eat a large portion of the deal of an entire half of his deal.
Discount or not his feet and size and effort aren't lost on the scouts elsewhere.
He is excellent in the room I hear and he hates losing isn't ever gonna make anyone here think he is worth that deal. (As the Cap expands, his "youthfulness" is excellent for a team looking for back end help regardless where he plays in the pecking order.
When and if the Hawks are actually close to a contender they might be looking for a half price guy like him, in the same way teams are now.

Nice to see Crevier sitting on people. He's gotten more aggressive. Still don't know exactly why he bugs me so much. The entire d-corps is struggling to complete passes. Martinez icing in overtime last night was brutal. Vlasic and Allan both were off on most of their passes. Jones was the best on the ice yesterday which was a welcome sight.
- Chunk

He really has played more physical, no doubt. Crevier has to have played himself on everyone's radar around the league. Whatever book team's had on him has to have changed. ........ His skating has improved since last yr, he's playing more physical, showing the ability to jump in at pace and he's showing he can take shifts in the NHL.

Any Dman that is 6ft 8in, can skate and is a right shot is gonna draw interest and if he starts checking more boxes, like his physicality and jumping in as a 4th forward at the NHL level, he becomes more attractive/valuable.

Wiz, curious how you rated Nazar's IQ in his draft yr?... I watched his U-17/U-18 yrs with NTDP and saw him live near 10 times over the 2 yrs, and on a stream a few more, and was always impressed with his skill, speed and compete but was neutral on his IQ. Same for his U of MI yrs and still was neutral on his IQ but the late season 4ish game callup last yr I was taken aback by his IQ.

We see splashes of that this yr but most every shift last yr he simply made plays on both sides of the puck and in all 3 zones. ..... I've bumped up his ceiling since he hit pro.
- Mr Ricochet

My draft profile: Frank Nazar
USA development team player who can play center or wing at a high level. He is an excellent skater who has excellent speed on the forecheck and pressures puck carriers with how quickly he takes away space and time from them when he suddenly jumps up on them. Undersized Frankie Nazar is not only 200 feet fast, he is lighting quick, creative and radiates effort-wise. Like many successful Team USA developed forwards who end up with long NHL careers, he simply isn’t all that big. He settled in as a natural centre, but is be able to play any position on any line. Has top offensive hockey IQ and magic hands. Constantly around the puck. He will either hold pucks to create time and space for his wingers get open, or makes quicks feeds no one sees coming while in full flight. He can dial things up or slow them down, due to his tremendously quick feet and ability to change direction so quickly. He does things you can’t teach at top gear. If he loses the puck by one of his many risky moves, he goes and gets it back. Makes more than his share of risky plays that aren’t necessary with better puck management. He controls the puck while in constant motion, and make your jaw drop when he dishes it at top speed perfectly. A guy who plays. Committed to the University of Michigan.

Martin had Pappin and Hull on his wings. Tough players who could score. Bedard doesn't have even close to that yet. Now, if they could find another Secord and Larmer, I would be thrilled!
- bjphawkfan

Porter Martone? Big skilled winger. If he hits he'll be a top 6 power forward.

That Nashville defense looks hideous. They have 3 #1 picks Maybe Trrotz would take Seth jones back 1/2 retained and the Las Vegas #1 pick?

Dreger reports the Hawks are getting calls about Seth Jones: https://www.msn.com/en-us...a3a8937b26c6ab34cbe&ei=14

My draft profile: Frank Nazar
USA development team player who can play center or wing at a high level. He is an excellent skater who has excellent speed on the forecheck and pressures puck carriers with how quickly he takes away space and time from them when he suddenly jumps up on them. Undersized Frankie Nazar is not only 200 feet fast, he is lighting quick, creative and radiates effort-wise. Like many successful Team USA developed forwards who end up with long NHL careers, he simply isn’t all that big. He settled in as a natural centre, but is be able to play any position on any line. Has top offensive hockey IQ and magic hands. Constantly around the puck. He will either hold pucks to create time and space for his wingers get open, or makes quicks feeds no one sees coming while in full flight. He can dial things up or slow them down, due to his tremendously quick feet and ability to change direction so quickly. He does things you can’t teach at top gear. If he loses the puck by one of his many risky moves, he goes and gets it back. Makes more than his share of risky plays that aren’t necessary with better puck management. He controls the puck while in constant motion, and make your jaw drop when he dishes it at top speed perfectly. A guy who plays. Committed to the University of Michigan.
- wiz1901

Not gonna lie.... that is one hell of an accurate scouting report Wiz. We are seeing that from at the NHL level now. He gets on opposing D so fast on the forecheck. Quite a pest.

Not gonna lie.... that is one hell of an accurate scouting report Wiz. We are seeing that from at the NHL level now. He gets on opposing D so fast on the forecheck. Quite a pest.
- bhawks2241

I remember that scouting report too. From what I hear, my guess he is an NHLer from here on out.

That Nashville defense looks hideous. They have 3 #1 picks Maybe Trrotz would take Seth jones back 1/2 retained and the Las Vegas #1 pick?
- LAHawk

Josi played 31:25 last night. He has to be gassed by now if he's playing nearly half the game every night.

I could see Trotz being able to convince Jones to waive.

Dreger reports the Hawks are getting calls about Seth Jones: https://www.msn.com/en-us...a3a8937b26c6ab34cbe&ei=14
- Mr Ricochet

Don't tease me like that Rico.

https://www.nhl.com/news/...e-prospect-news-and-notes

Recap from the USHL-NDTP prospects game last night. Will Moore was pretty active, had a goal and several nice passes. Moore has good size (6-2, 175). Looks like he might be there early round 2.

All of the goalies played well.

Nazar reminds me of Pit Martin. Yeah I am going back 50 years.
- LAHawk

I just opened a drawer and his hockey card was there.
Can I send it to you?

I was a wee lad of 8-9 yrs old rarely seeing the Hawks on tv in those days, but Pitt Martin was my guy. ........ You must have seen Martin live, you see similarities on Martin and Nazar? Skilled, mobile, high IQ?
- Mr Ricochet

Or do you want it, Ric ?

Somebody ?

Porter Martone? Big skilled winger. If he hits he'll be a top 6 power forward.
- Mr Ricochet

I don't know how it happened but I lost a huge post on Martone and lost it. Someone a few days back was saying don't chance a big guy if you think he isn't fast and skilled enough, and I was basically saying this isn't some lumbering kid who may not be a "scorer" at the highest level.
All I know is for over two years now I have been coveting him for the Hawsk and thought he was going to be gone before they had a shot.
(Yeah like I wanted Eiserman and Hage.and kyle went Boisvert, I am afraid he thinks someone else will work better, as that affromentioned post about big guys...)
Martone is hardly a slug on his blades.
His swag is he hasn't met an opposing player he hasn't hit along the boards. He plays an intimidating style but his desire to see the man with his scoring is just as inspiring. His forte is using his size and stick in front for tip ins and room; this isn't a big guy w/o a great eye - hand coordination and Hockey IQ either. He isn't running guys because he is busy wanting to set up and score goals, so that is why these silly comparisons with Tkachuk bros. are a tad exaggerated. He is team guy besides and shares the bisquit out there.
He certainly a well balanced skater and please do not try to use C. Dach as his comp on skating. He is the real deal with the puck and without it and that is who I take if I am picking, if he is still there, at the second overall...

Hypothetical trade:
To Buffalo Seth Jones 1.5 million retained kurashev rights and 2nd
To Chicago: Dylan cozens Juri kulich

Hypothetical trade:
To Buffalo Seth Jones 1.5 million retained kurashev rights and 2nd
To Chicago: Dylan cozens Juri kulich
- Scott1977

If you are Buffalo, what is the drive to make this trade? They get the far worse forward, and an above average defender for a young center with size. They can likely get much better returns than this.

I don't know how it happened but I lost a huge post on Martone and lost it. Someone a few days back was saying don't chance a big guy if you think he isn't fast and skilled enough, and I was basically saying this isn't some lumbering kid who may not be a "scorer" at the highest level.
All I know is for over two years now I have been coveting him for the Hawsk and thought he was going to be gone before they had a shot.
(Yeah like I wanted Eiserman and Hage.and kyle went Boisvert, I am afraid he thinks someone else will work better, as that affromentioned post about big guys...)
Martone is hardly a slug on his blades.
His swag is he hasn't met an opposing player he hasn't hit along the boards. He plays an intimidating style but his desire to see the man with his scoring is just as inspiring. His forte is using his size and stick in front for tip ins and room; this isn't a big guy w/o a great eye - hand coordination and Hockey IQ either. He isn't running guys because he is busy wanting to set up and score goals, so that is why these silly comparisons with Tkachuk bros. are a tad exaggerated. He is team guy besides and shares the bisquit out there.
He certainly a well balanced skater and please do not try to use C. Dach as his comp on skating. He is the real deal with the puck and without it and that is who I take if I am picking, if he is still there, at the second overall...
- wiz1901

I think I read somewhere that his skating is what would keep the Hocks from drafting him.

Update your list at lines yet?

If you are Buffalo, what is the drive to make this trade? They get the far worse forward, and an above average defender for a young center with size. They can likely get much better returns than this.
- Chunk

It been stated Buffalo wants more veterans especially on defense to change things put them essential over the hup. Pair Jones with dahlin or power kurshev is a throw in could a different prospect besides kurlich. Plus Buffalo has centers in their system that could possibly replace cozens. We don't If cozens has fallen out of favor or not with the Buffalo organization but it wouldn't hurt to explore a trade discussion with them.