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rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jan 19 @ 5:53 PM ET
Am wondering if they should sign T. Hall instead of taking the 2028 2nd round pick or whatever they would get for him. I would expect him to have a better year next year being 2 yrs removed from the knee surgery. Maybe one of the 2x4 contracts the KD seems to like.

Still need another forward as a FA. They will likely have to look on the second tier, Ehlers or Boeser maybe. Would also sign Donato back for a year or two.

Bertuzzi - Bedard - Ehlers/Boeser
Hall - Nazar - Teravainen
Foligno - D!ickinson - Mikheyev
Dach - Donato - Slaggert
Reichel

- totem

I'm looking for a couple surprises, Spellacy, Boisvert?
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 19 @ 5:54 PM ET
Ok I get it, trading Jones is all that is needed for the Hawks to be a contender layoff team. He is the sole source of their problems.
- LAHawk

Really LA?
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 19 @ 5:59 PM ET
I'm looking for a couple surprises, Spellacy, Broissart?
- rpeters01

That’s unlikely next season. Boisvert, Spellacy and Vanacker are all probably going to play another season of junior/College before spending time in Rockford. I won’t be surprised if all three are two to three seasons away. Moore and Lardis are probably one to two seasons away. If any or all make it.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Jan 19 @ 7:00 PM ET
Ok I get it, trading Jones is all that is needed for the Hawks to be a contender layoff team. He is the sole source of their problems.
- LAHawk


Jones isn't much of a problem at this point, it's just if that cap hit is needed down the road, which it isn't right now. Everyone loves to pile onto him lately, but in reality he isn't as awful as he is painted out to be. He isn't the reason we are going to be a bottom 5 team again.

The guy is 3rd on the team behind only Teravainen and Bedard in points per game. On a bad team that has issues scoring goals, why do we need to lose him? Perceived leadership issues? There hasn't seemed to be anything concrete to suggest anything more than people projecting or assuming to fit their narrative. Let the front office and the coaches worry about that stuff we don't see. On ice, he had a few bad games since coming back from injury, but otherwise, he has had a decent season. He makes mistakes and unforced errors, but so does everyone else on the team, but it's only an issue if you make too much money.
captainserious
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.24.2010

Jan 19 @ 7:41 PM ET
My top four rounds are close but I honestly have not muddle past the 6th rd with my ideas yet , o it is not complete as the 7th sRd. its empty.
- wiz1901


Just read that you have the Blackhawks taking the D man at #1.
In that case,I think a trade would be in the works for a young forward. I just don't know that Kyle would trade Korch or Lev this early? Besides,I'm not sure what either of them would even bring back if they were part of a trade.
Dieselhead
Location: CA
Joined: 11.01.2011

Jan 19 @ 7:51 PM ET
Am wondering if they should sign T. Hall instead of taking the 2028 2nd round pick or whatever they would get for him. I would expect him to have a better year next year being 2 yrs removed from the knee surgery. Maybe one of the 2x4 contracts the KD seems to like.

Still need another forward as a FA. They will likely have to look on the second tier, Ehlers or Boeser maybe. Would also sign Donato back for a year or two.

Bertuzzi - Bedard - Ehlers/Boeser
Hall - Nazar - Teravainen
Foligno - D!ickinson - Mikheyev
Dach - Donato - Slaggert
Reichel

- totem


I wouldn't resign Hall, even for league minimum. People around here like to use the term Low Hockey I.Q. with Jones, but to me nobody has more air between their ears than Taylor Hall. How many times has he killed a play by skating into the corner with the puck and no idea what to do with it, or just a lazy pass with no intention but to get rid of the puck and pray that someone else will make a play?
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jan 19 @ 8:17 PM ET
I wouldn't resign Hall, even for league minimum. People around here like to use the term Low Hockey I.Q. with Jones, but to me nobody has more air between their ears than Taylor Hall. How many times has he killed a play by skating into the corner with the puck and no idea what to do with it, or just a lazy pass with no intention but to get rid of the puck and pray that someone else will make a play?
- Dieselhead


Wouldn’t pigeon hole Dach to the 4th line. He looked good with Nazar. He’s got a nice shot too. His skating has improved.
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jan 19 @ 8:21 PM ET
Why is Ryan Greene always the forgotten prospect? He’s a 2nd rounder and having a really good jr year at BU.

Curious how he projects
captainserious
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.24.2010

Jan 19 @ 8:30 PM ET
Why is Ryan Greene always the forgotten prospect? He’s a 2nd rounder and having a really good jr year at BU.

Curious how he projects

- bhawks2241


I'm wondering if he's gonna even sign with the Hocks.
I think I remember them wanting him to sign last off season,but he wanted to go back to college. Not sure if that is a sign he doesn't want to be a Hock in the future..any chance he pulls a Hayes?
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jan 19 @ 8:32 PM ET
I'm wondering if he's gonna even sign with the Hocks.
I think I remember them wanting him to sign last off season,but he wanted to go back to college. Not sure if that is a sign he doesn't want to be a Hock in the future..any chance he pulls a Hayes?

- captainserious


Idk thought that was just speculation. Not sure why he wouldn’t want to come as he’d have a good shot.
captainserious
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.24.2010

Jan 19 @ 8:36 PM ET
Idk thought that was just speculation. Not sure why he wouldn’t want to come as he’d have a good shot.
- bhawks2241


I agree,just curious,that's all.
He seems to have improved each year in college.
Plus he's got some size to him, not sure how he's on FOs and if he plays in all situations etc...
Pretty sure we'll find out by the end of the year if he signs or not,college season ends well before NHL season ends.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jan 19 @ 8:36 PM ET
Jones isn't much of a problem at this point, it's just if that cap hit is needed down the road, which it isn't right now. Everyone loves to pile onto him lately, but in reality he isn't as awful as he is painted out to be. He isn't the reason we are going to be a bottom 5 team again.

The guy is 3rd on the team behind only Teravainen and Bedard in points per game. On a bad team that has issues scoring goals, why do we need to lose him? Perceived leadership issues? There hasn't seemed to be anything concrete to suggest anything more than people projecting or assuming to fit their narrative. Let the front office and the coaches worry about that stuff we don't see. On ice, he had a few bad games since coming back from injury, but otherwise, he has had a decent season. He makes mistakes and unforced errors, but so does everyone else on the team, but it's only an issue if you make too much money.

- breadbag


IMO there is good reason to debate the merits of keeping or moving Jones. He does bring some things...... As KR and then Sorensen started scratching, and even sending down, both older and younger players for poor play and brain cramps Jones had as egregious of play and effort as any of them yet he was trotted out the next night and given 25 minutes with top PP time.

I can't help but think a lotta players wondered the same thing as he avoided the press after horrid games but was there for them when things were good. That kinda thing can split a locker room on a team that stacks losses. .....Split rooms, especially on a frasnchise that's coming out of a teardown, is never good and needs to be avoided. IMO Jones carries that risk.

And BB, or anyone, do you think Jones would have been traded/allowed to leave along with Cat, Kane and Toews if it weren't for his contract being unmovable? ..... Yes, Jones has some value but I think there was a reason we saw a fresh and hungry team when he was out injured.

I do think KD's plan was always to move Jones when he could with it all depending on how much of his cap hit went with him. Someone comes along and offers to take him and 6ish million of his cap hit with maybe a 2nd or 3rd rd pick as a sweetner I think KD pulls the trigger.

And then he has the option of using the 4ish million in free agency and the risk of a fractured room is diminished. ........ His effort is just way too inconsistent, his low IQ can't be absorbed by their lack of talent and his being allowed to have world class horrendous games and effort can not help in the locker room.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jan 19 @ 8:37 PM ET
I'm wondering if he's gonna even sign with the Hocks.
I think I remember them wanting him to sign last off season,but he wanted to go back to college. Not sure if that is a sign he doesn't want to be a Hock in the future..any chance he pulls a Hayes?

- captainserious

he went back for a couple of reasons.

he felt he had some things to work on before going pro. he knew he was going to be named the captain and unfinished business.

in most cases if the team that drafted you in offering you an ELC after 2 years its a sign they really want you in the org.

IIRC, the hawks wanted Hayes to go back to school especially after the stairwell incident.

my guess is he signs after his season and maybe makes his debut later this season.

Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jan 19 @ 8:40 PM ET
I agree,just curious,that's all.
He seems to have improved each year in college.
Plus he's got some size to him, not sure how he's on FOs and if he plays in all situations etc...
Pretty sure we'll find out by the end of the year if he signs or not,college season ends well before NHL season ends.

- captainserious

He does play in all situations. He plays the game more with his mind than his skills. Not that he doesn't have any but he thinks the game well.


He is not a flashy guy who will wow you. You just win with him.
captainserious
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.24.2010

Jan 19 @ 8:55 PM ET
He does play in all situations. He plays the game more with his mind than his skills. Not that he doesn't have any but he thinks the game well.


He is not a flashy guy who will wow you. You just win with him.

- Elbows15


Sounds like something they could use
And after 3 seasons of college,he might even have a short stint in the AHL and be with the Hocks after a third of the season sorta like Nazar
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jan 19 @ 9:05 PM ET
he went back for a couple of reasons.

he felt he had some things to work on before going pro. he knew he was going to be named the captain and unfinished business.

in most cases if the team that drafted you in offering you an ELC after 2 years its a sign they really want you in the org.

IIRC, the hawks wanted Hayes to go back to school especially after the stairwell incident.

my guess is he signs after his season and maybe makes his debut later this season.

- Elbows15


Thanks for the info. I’ve watched him a bit at BU and agree with you. Plays a solid game all around. Can score. Nothing overly flashy. A good hockey player.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jan 19 @ 9:33 PM ET
Idk thought that was just speculation. Not sure why he wouldn’t want to come as he’d have a good shot.
- bhawks2241

He wanted another chance win a college championship
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jan 19 @ 9:38 PM ET
He does play in all situations. He plays the game more with his mind than his skills. Not that he doesn't have any but he thinks the game well.


He is not a flashy guy who will wow you. You just win with him.

- Elbows15

Dave bolland type player
totem
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Seattle, WA
Joined: 06.14.2017

Jan 19 @ 9:47 PM ET
He wanted another chance win a college championship
- Scott1977


If they make it to the championship game, that will be April 12. Would have to sign quick to get into the last 2 CHI games on April 14 and 15.

Think he will sign this year regardless, not sure if he can burn a year on his ELC.

CHL Season End 3/23
NCAA Regionals 3/28-3/30
Frozen Four 4/10-4/12
CHI Season End 4/15
ROC Season End 4/19
wizardofi
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Maple Ridge, BC
Joined: 04.17.2011

Jan 19 @ 9:58 PM ET
Dave bolland type player
- Scott1977


Don't say that unless you mean it you sweet talker

Would love to have a Bolly type in the lineup
wizardofi
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Maple Ridge, BC
Joined: 04.17.2011

Jan 19 @ 10:01 PM ET
If they make it to the championship game, that will be April 12. Would have to sign quick to get into the last 2 CHI games on April 14 and 15.

Think he will sign this year regardless, not sure if he can burn a year on his ELC.

CHL Season End 3/23
NCAA Regionals 3/28-3/30
Frozen Four 4/10-4/12
CHI Season End 4/15
ROC Season End 4/19

- totem


Memorial Cup final is June 1, 2025 for players like Lardis, if they make it that far
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jan 19 @ 10:10 PM ET
Dave bolland type player
- Scott1977

I think we tend to forget what a genuine pain in the ass Bolland was to play against. With a very sharp tongue and a whole bunch of nasty.

Greene doesn't have that edginess but then its the NCAA and it really can cost your team if you play that way.



paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 19 @ 10:11 PM ET
Memorial Cup final is June 1, 2025 for players like Lardis, if they make it that far
- wizardofi

The Mem cup will be held in Rimouski Quebec so Quebec will be represented by two teams. Brantford has a chance to be there but there are a few really good OHL teams they have to beat out in the playoffs. Spellacy’s Windsor Spitfires are in second overall. And of course the London Knights are at the top of the league, again! Brantford is in eighth place.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 19 @ 10:15 PM ET
I think we tend to forget what a genuine pain in the ass Bolland was to play against. With a very sharp tongue and a whole bunch of nasty.

Greene doesn't have that edginess but then its the NCAA and it really can cost your team if you play that way.

- Elbows15

Vanacker is a pain to play against, when I saw him Friday night he was chirping all night. He’s a better skater than Bolland but Bolland was a much better scorer in junior. You’ll never get another Bolland but there may be a few guys who can fill that third line role and just do it differently.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jan 20 @ 9:55 AM ET
If they make it to the championship game, that will be April 12. Would have to sign quick to get into the last 2 CHI games on April 14 and 15.

Think he will sign this year regardless, not sure if he can burn a year on his ELC.

CHL Season End 3/23
NCAA Regionals 3/28-3/30
Frozen Four 4/10-4/12
CHI Season End 4/15
ROC Season End 4/19

- totem


I think there's a possibility, Greene, Moore and Rinzel sign after the BU and Minnesota seasons are completed. Will the Hawks allow one or all to burn the 1st year of their ELC's ala Nazar last year? Guess that depends if KD wants them in the system for next year. Burning a year is an enticement teams use to sign a player. Davidson didn't think it was a big deal when Nazar was signed.
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