Yeah, I said they were outplayed dramatically. But it was the best game in HOW they played. Fast, hard and inspired.
- paulr

I also fealt they played well till I looked at shots on goal .But thats not everything couple bad breaks the trip was fluky and the late goal in the 2nd was well not good and laid the frame work for the comeback .Growing pains .

Yeah, I said they were outplayed dramatically. But it was the best game in HOW they played. Fast, hard and inspired.
- paulr

I strongly disagree, it just sounds like trying to push a narrative or justification for a trade, but it seemed more to me like we had a small bright point in the kids finding the scoresheet with a couple nice plays.

Overall, we were scrambling trying to keep up with Tampa. They had us running around and our D coverage was often picked apart. I'm not disagreeing with the team's effort, they try hard, but painting it as some big difference with one player sick and out of the lineup. Come on. It wasn't a great game. It was our team lacking top 4 D and Top 6 forwards trying to desperately keep up with an opponent with more speed (both foot and moving the puck).

Tampa's forwards had our slower lumbering guys on the back end struggling at times.

Yeah...I'm going to go ahead and disagree. KFC hasn't actually made one of those trades yet. The only players he traded for were the now departed Hall, Mrazek, Fliggy, Mikey and D!ckie.

All of those trades were about not just getting the player but in most cases an asset in the form of a draft pick to help the other team out of Cap trouble.
- HawkintheD

The deals KD made have made sense, will they work out? Who knows, but getting all those draft picks and building from the ground up was the right move.

KD still hasn’t proven himself in 2 areas - 1. Improving the team via a “hockey trade” (ie not a cap dump) and 2. Landing top free agents. KD did well with Bertuzzi and TT, but I wouldn’t classify them as top free agents.

I strongly disagree, it just sounds like trying to push a narrative or justification for a trade, but it seemed more to me like we had a small bright point in the kids finding the scoresheet with a couple nice plays.

Overall, we were scrambling trying to keep up with Tampa. They had us running around and our D coverage was often picked apart. I'm not disagreeing with the team's effort, they try hard, but painting it as some big difference with one player sick and out of the lineup. Come on. It wasn't a great game. It was our team lacking top 4 D and Top 6 forwards trying to desperately keep up with an opponent with more speed (both foot and moving the puck).

Tampa's forwards had our slower lumbering guys on the back end struggling at times.
- breadbag

So you didn’t think the kids played faster and harder last night than in most other games this season?

So you didn’t think the kids played faster and harder last night than in most other games this season?
- paulr

The younger players, I think they've been pushing hard and slowly making progress during the season as they gain experience. I think that last night they played a Tampa team that isn't as outright physical as most, more about speed and moving the puck with quickly. I think the Hawks had to push hard to keep up with them and our younger "kids" spent a lot of the night in their own end scrambling, but had some flashes and cashed in on a few nice plays.

I don't think it had much to do with Seth Jones being sick. I think the biggest thing lately is adding Dach to the lineup, letting Nazar play with Bedard and having Reichel play more with guys his speed. Letting more of the youth play together and use their their young legs. I think Sorensen is more young player friendly as a coach and more young players coming up with some opportunity has meant those young players are trying to seize the opportunity.

It wasn't a great game IMO. Our D doesn't match well against teams like Tampa because most of our guys are 3rd pair types at this point in their careers.

Probably not but why retain salary? Trade him for a broken stick, a roll of tape and a power bar.

Unless … KD is thinking of an offer sheet?
- paulr

Simply to facilitate the trade. People want the Hawks to move out vets and get the kids to pla. This accomplishes exactly that. Hall was neither good nor part of the future. Where is the issue?

Is it a good idea for a team that has most of its prospects two to three years away from making the team taking a run at a 29 year old for seven years?
- paulr

I wouldn't sign him myself, i do feel like KD needs to target a young top 6 forward by next season. I am opposed to giving away top draft picks but since we've had so many I'm not opposed to trading Torontos 1st maybe one of our prospects like Kaiser to get it done.

He took a flyer on Hall. No biggie. He traded for Mrazek for the sweetener and he turned his game around it was a great, albeit lucky trade. So far, other than the Mrazek trade, KD hasn’t made a trade where he’s got a guy back who looks to be a potential long term asset. As I said he’s done a great job stocking the team. So far his trades and been unimpressive. The other three areas he has to prove he’s adept at are signing free agents and in future evaluating his roster and and managing the cap.
- paulr

Other than the Hagel trade, I don't disagree and just saying as you mention, he really hasn't made that kind of trade yet whether it be player for player or pick and prospect for player.

Other than the Hagel trade, I don't disagree and just saying as you mention, he really hasn't made that kind of trade yet whether it be player for player or pick and prospect for player.
- HawkintheD

Trading out guys for draft picks he’s done an excellent job. But I think he needs to acquire guys who are ready or close to ready to step in, guys that are going to be part of the core, not place holders. Bertuzzi fits that criteria and was a good acquisition. He’s also developing a chemistry with Bedard. TT is similar. But i think KD needs to find guys in the 20 to 25 ish range, if possible.

I wouldn't sign him myself, i do feel like KD needs to target a young top 6 forward by next season. I am opposed to giving away top draft picks but since we've had so many I'm not opposed to trading Torontos 1st maybe one of our prospects like Kaiser to get it done.
- BetweenTheDots

I agree. While Kaiser has some flaws I love his compete and heart, I’d hate to see him go.

Other than the Hagel trade, I don't disagree and just saying as you mention, he really hasn't made that kind of trade yet whether it be player for player or pick and prospect for player.
- HawkintheD

Hi Hawkin glad to see you are still here .I find the Hagel trade was a new GM getting fleeced , I to was excited by two 1st picks ,now I just shake my head . Hagel is such a Glue guy . GM should use that now , not be afraid to move a couple of the picks these days for solid young players

Hi Hawkin glad to see you are still here .I find the Hagel trade was a new GM getting fleeced , I to was excited by two 1st picks ,now I just shake my head . Hagel is such a Glue guy . GM should use that now , not be afraid to move a couple of the picks these days for solid young players
- oldduffman

As much as i love Hagel, to kick start a rebuild it was a great move. Don't you see some Hagel in Nazar? I sure do. Supposedly Moore is the same kind of player and one of the scouting reports i watched on Boisvert was he's like an old school player, in the day of giving an honest shift he checks all the boxes including checking players. Sure there's a possibility they don't amount to NHL players but that's the risk you gotta take to start from scratch.

And it does look like they finally corrected the stat line for Nazar vs Carolina and gave him the assist on the Bertuzzi goal.

What was nice the other night was 2 guys around Bedard he gets it to Nazar all by himself and burys the shot.

I do imagine since Anders has taken over our SAG have probably increased by 7-12 more per game.

I wouldn't sign him myself, i do feel like KD needs to target a young top 6 forward by next season. I am opposed to giving away top draft picks but since we've had so many I'm not opposed to trading Torontos 1st maybe one of our prospects like Kaiser to get it done.
- BetweenTheDots

While I agree with you and would like to see KD acquire a young forward, that’s a challenging task. Unless it’s a young forward that needs a change of scenery due to development or is just not working out, no GM is going to trade a good one for a late first round pick and Kaiser. Also, do you give up a first for a young project? Not sure I would. Now, if you’re willing to trade KK, Arty, or Vlasic, then maybe you’ll get a good young forward. That’s just reality and I hope I’m wrong.

By the way, Kirby Dach is starting to play good hockey for the Habs, he’s starting to produce in the last 20 games or so. Good for the kid, he was dealt a bad hand, first by playing in the NHL too early, and then decimated by injuries. I’d like to see the kid succeed, and of course, I’d also like to see Nazar succeed. Would like the trade to end up as a win for both teams.

While I agree with you and would like to see KD acquire a young forward, that’s a challenging task. Unless it’s a young forward that needs a change of scenery due to development or is just not working out, no GM is going to trade a good one for a late first round pick and Kaiser. Also, do you give up a first for a young project? Not sure I would. Now, if you’re willing to trade KK, Arty, or Vlasic, then maybe you’ll get a good young forward. That’s just reality and I hope I’m wrong.
- Angotti

Wasn't that the cost of Horvat and then i think the Canucks took that 1st and traded for Hronek? I think there was other small parts in the deal.

So you didn’t think the kids played faster and harder last night than in most other games this season?
- paulr

The game was really fun to watch b/c of that...even E DelMastro was playing full speed.
The youngsters they brought up earlier are now comfortable playing with more confidence and gettingvthings done with being in on ice positions to make plays on both sides of the puck.
I knwo there was lots of hype and positive spin behind the mikes as they did look really better, but it does look like they ae going to have a towering precesne on the backline as the rebuild.
I always wanted a big backline but maybe now we have one on the horizon?
it was fun until they lost....

Minnesota vs Michigan State, 5 pm Central on BIG10 network.

Minnesota vs Michigan State, 5 pm Central on BIG10 network.
- boilermaker100

Thanks Boiler, sounds like a plan.

Discussions here made me want to do some research. So let's look at the KFC trade record. First, the CAP DUMPS:

7/7/2022 CAP DUMP
To CHI - Rinzel, Mrazek
To TOR - F. Minten
WIN - Mrazek had played pretty well, and got a new contract. High hopes for Rinzel. Minten was a nice pick for TOR and looks to be a player. This looks like a win but TOR did OK.

10/8/2022 CAP DUMP
To CHI - D!ckinson, 2024 2nd (Traded)
To VAN - Stillman
WIN - D!ckinson has played well and was re-signed. The 2024 2nd was sent to NYI to advance the 2024 1st and 2nd. Stillman did not last in VAN.

2/22/2023 CAP DUMP
To CHI - Zaitsev, Kantserov, 2026 4th
To OTT - Future Considerations
TBD - good so far - Zaitsev filled a spot. Kantserov has a lot of promise. Might get something from the future 4th.

6/26/2023 CAP DUMP
To CHI - Foligno, 2025 3rd (Hall)
To BOS - Mitchell, Regula
WIN - Foligno and now a 3rd for players that wouldn't have been re-signed.

6/29/2023 CAP DUMP
To CHI - 2026 2nd, Bailey (buyout)
To NYI - Future Considerations
TBD - Future 2nd, who knows?

6/26/2024 CAP DUMP
To CHI - Mikheyev, 2027 2nd
To VAN - 2027 4th
TBD - Mikheyev has been OK, future 2nd, who knows?

Thanks Boiler, sounds like a plan.
- Angotti

Looks like the basketball game is running a bit late. They'll probably switch over in about 15 minutes.

Let's look at the KFC trade record: PLAYERS FOR PICKS

3/18/2022 PLAYER-PICK(S)
To CHI - Moore, Boisvert, Raddysh, Katchouk
To TB - Hagel, 2022 4th (Traded), 2024 4th (Traded)
TBD - seems like a LOSS right now - success of Moore and Boisvert will determine

3/21/2022 PLAYER-PICK(S)
To CHI - Greene
To MIN - Fleury
TBD - Greene seems promising

7/7/2022 PLAYER-PICK(S)
To CHI - Korchinski, Ludwinski, Spellacy
To OTT - DeBrincat
TBD - seems like a small LOSS right now - DeBrincat was a lot to give up. Will see how the prospects do.

7/7/2022 PLAYER-PICK(S)
To CHI - Nazar, G. Hayes
To MTL - K. Dach
TBD - Dach will eventually play well. Nazar looks good. Hayes has had a setback in first pro year.

2/27/2023 PLAYER-PICK(S)
To CHI - 2025 1st, 2026 2nd, Anderson, Gogolev
To TOR - McCabe, Lafferty, M. Holinka, 2025 5th
TBD - Two good players going out. Anderson just OK. Picks will determine. TOR pick Holinka is playing well in OHL.

2/28/2023 PLAYER-PICK(S)
To CHI - Misiak, 2025 4th, Saarijarvi, Welinski
To NYR - P. Kane, Zech
TBD - Misiak coming next year. If we take Wiz's advice and draft A. Misiak with the 2025 4th, it will be Kane for Misiak and Misiak

3/2/2023 PLAYER-PICK(S)
To CHI - 2025 2nd, Khudobin
To DAL - Domi, Wells
TBD - Domi for the extra 2nd this year.

Let's look at the KFC trade record: PICK SWAPS and PLAYER SWAPS

6/29/2023 PICK SWAP
To CHI - 2024 2nd (Traded), Oscarson
To PHI - C. Bjarnason
TBD - Traded a 2nd for a lower 2nd the next year and got an extra 6th. Oscarson would have to be signed this summer, doesn't look like there's a spot for him. The PHI 2nd was traded for a pick used in the Vanacker trade.

6/28/2024 PICK SWAP
To CHI - Vanacker
To CAR - D. Badinka, N. Artamonov
TBD - All prospects right now.

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1/5/2022 PLAYER-PLAYER
To CHI - Lafferty
To PIT - Nylander
WIN - Lafferty played well and was included in the TOR trade with McCabe.

6/29/2023 PICK-PLAYER
To CHI - Perry
To TB - J. Connor
LOSS - Ugh.

Let's look at the KFC trade record: PICK SWAPS and PLAYER SWAPS

6/29/2023 PICK SWAP
To CHI - 2024 2nd (Traded), Oscarson
To PHI - C. Bjarnason
TBD - Traded a 2nd for a lower 2nd the next year and got an extra 6th. Oscarson would have to be signed this summer, doesn't look like there's a spot for him. The PHI 2nd was traded for a pick used in the Vanacker trade.

6/28/2024 PICK SWAP
To CHI - Vanacker
To CAR - D. Badinka, N. Artamonov
TBD - All prospects right now.

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1/5/2022 PLAYER-PLAYER
To CHI - Lafferty
To PIT - Nylander
WIN - Lafferty played well and was included in the TOR trade with McCabe.

6/29/2023 PICK-PLAYER
To CHI - Perry
To TB - J. Connor
LOSS - Ugh.
- totem

Totem and Boiler are the researchers.

Totem and Boiler are the researchers.

- paulr

I'm blaming that Purdue training.