If Chicago pick first and choose Schaefer can they then bundle a top defensive prospect and something and get right back in the draft at a chance at Martone, Hagens or Misa?
- paulr

THey have plenty of draft capital in regards to picks but somebody is going to want to an Arty or Nazar or Moore or Korchinski on top of it would be my guess. The other option is do you trade down and get a proven prospect and that pick to obtain a Martone or Misa?

I just look at how hard they tried to get back into the top as Demidov fell this past draft and even offering up just draft capital didn't do it.....so based on what I have read about Misa and Martone, the price will be higher this time around.

Bedard is exactly the same size as Crosby was at 19. Bedard is a boy, he hasn’t developed strength yet. And his defensive game has improved dramatically since last season. Let’s see how it all pans out.
- paulr

None of our young guys are anywhere near where they will be at 26-28. Everyone wants instant gratification. Ex. the Hagel playing now is much better than the Hagel we traded Tampa.

None of our young guys are anywhere near where they will be at 26-28. Everyone wants instant gratification.
- rpeters01

Eh. not instant gratification but figuring what SKILL is Bedard's best. If they took him off of C and put him at W with a top end 1C who plays 200 ft does that unleash another level for Bedard offensively we don't get if they keep him at C? I mean the kid has a generational wrist shot, gifted offensive mind.......I just dont know and I can't see how anyone can argue what he truly is LT because he's dragging 2 sub standard skaters night after night shift after shift on his line, and that also is revolving door. They need to lock in a pair of linemates for him and let him gel....fact the kid is putting up a pt a game with this supporting cast no question makes me think we will have our 1st 50 scorer since JR and a multiple Hart trophy winner.....but this kid needs some top end talent. And no, Ryan Donato is not hit. Sell high on him.....while you can. Signing him when he's flashing with be Kurashev this year, next year.

Lets hope he hits a growth spurt......also would behoove Davidson to find a skilled PF to skate with him. Him skating routinely with $hit doesn't even give us a glimpse of where he can go LT. I mean his best chemistry may be with teuvo who was scratched in a must win vs Canada. he has Bertuzzi, Donato (playing balls out for a new deal...flashing like kurashev) but there isn't a player on this roster currently who is a legit top 3 F outside of Bedard. He doesn't have his Crosby to Malkin or Toews to kane or Ovechkin to Backstrom or Sedin to Sedin comp. hell the sharks likely have better options at F right now for Cellebrini.

I know and understand the rebuild is still progressing, but burning all 3 years of an ELC and still not seeing/knowing what you TRULY have due to lack of supporting cast (just 1) is a major misguided move by Davidson IMO. They have the cap space and spending big on the RIGHT guy for 8 years they likely were going to have to do anyways like they did when they signed Hossa. The key is going through these D and F prospects and figuring out what are the TRUE building blocks and who can be dangled to upgrade other lacking areas. Big summer ahead for KD.
- SteveRain

KD doesn't seem to be building this team to have a few top forwards. If that was his plan, he likely would have chosen Demidov. He's trying to build a ton of depth, which is really important. He's going to have to balance that with adding enough top talent to put them over the top. Depth is great until you end up being Nashville.

Regarding Bedard's ELC. In general, I agree with your sentiment. I was hoping for fewer fossils and more young players (Rossi, Kakko, etc) that could not only improve, but grow with the team. However, you do have to consider what is actually available and if those players want to join the Hawks. Guentzel is a prime example. KD reportedly made a big push for him and he chose TB who is closer to the PO's.

Seems that no one really has any interest in Hagens. Is that because he's considered smaller and people want a larger player, or because his play isn't up to expectation? I've not seen him play at all, so I'm trying to understand.

Lets hope he hits a growth spurt......also would behoove Davidson to find a skilled PF to skate with him. Him skating routinely with $hit doesn't even give us a glimpse of where he can go LT. I mean his best chemistry may be with teuvo who was scratched in a must win vs Canada. he has Bertuzzi, Donato (playing balls out for a new deal...flashing like kurashev) but there isn't a player on this roster currently who is a legit top 3 F outside of Bedard. He doesn't have his Crosby to Malkin or Toews to kane or Ovechkin to Backstrom or Sedin to Sedin comp. hell the sharks likely have better options at F right now for Cellebrini.

I know and understand the rebuild is still progressing, but burning all 3 years of an ELC and still not seeing/knowing what you TRULY have due to lack of supporting cast (just 1) is a major misguided move by Davidson IMO. They have the cap space and spending big on the RIGHT guy for 8 years they likely were going to have to do anyways like they did when they signed Hossa. The key is going through these D and F prospects and figuring out what are the TRUE building blocks and who can be dangled to upgrade other lacking areas. Big summer ahead for KD.
- SteveRain

Hopefully he fills out as he ages. I didn't put on muscle/weight until 23/24. Barely had facial hair at 19. There is certainly a risk he doesn't similar to TT and others that never "fill out".

If Chicago pick first and choose Schaefer can they then bundle a top defensive prospect and something and get right back in the draft at a chance at Martone, Hagens or Misa?
- paulr

Kyle didn't sound too enthused about this draft. Happy to flip KK for a budding forward prospect though

Hope you're doing well.

Assuming Hawks end up with a pick 2-4.......how do you feel about Misa and Martone? Would love to see them get Misa as 2C or even 1C and move Bedard to wing. Given what we know come playoff time, Bedard may have an easier time on the wing LT and can still have the offensive zone run through him much the same as it did with Kane.
- SteveRain

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I think there final determination will come from if they see Misa as a possible full time centre ice man, regardless of where they play him at the onset.
AsI mentioned before Kyle would have been so thrilled had he got Celebrini as his Bedsy - one two punch as playmakers who can run things through them.
I think Micheal Misa has all the makings of a really good player that can do this, and has the size and wherewithall to play 200 feet well in the NHL.
Martone is taking heat for his earlier firt overall canonization, and then his subsequent lack of production in the World's might have hurt him a lot.

Porter's big body, hands and attitude.
The question I keep hearing is whether he graduates and can do everything he does as an amateur in the pros? I think he can play fast, and he isn't gonna quit as a prospect, and will play and play hard.
I could easily see Misa as the pick.

Yeah, I don't think this year will see anybody take away a spot from the top 5. But there could be Shane Wright / Logan Cooley re-arangement and I could see Porter Martone falling to four, of even Hagens dropping to 3/4...
my biased has Caleb Desnoyers perched solid in #5 but Anton Frondell may have some fans, and watching his carrying and stickhandling will make you one too.

And now that he is back on the ice Roger McQueen will have suitors.

Hey Wiz, when I read your posts. I pretend that you are talking in a Russian accent!
- bjphawkfan

LOL, and I didn't even spot the Russian party line that orange hair has the last couple days, about how the Ukraine invasion is their own fault!
They gave my role in Thunderbolts to the Stranger Things police officer, so I guess ( am not the Red Guardian either.

Kyle didn't sound too enthused about this draft. Happy to flip KK for a budding forward prospect though
- Assman22

Well he doesn't know where he is picking, and he is not going to say after a dozen picks, it's a crapshoot of equality for the next 100 selections...

Seems that no one really has any interest in Hagens. Is that because he's considered smaller and people want a larger player, or because his play isn't up to expectation? I've not seen him play at all, so I'm trying to understand.
- Chunk

I don't think that is the case, but
if Logan Cooley and NJ Hughes are the precusors, both standing about the same height with Hagens, his college adjustment and slowed production may he was has caused some hesitation, since he scored "onl" eight goals but this kid is is a playmaker with good jets in small and all areas and he plays defense too.
They will be teams who would easily take him at #2.

KD doesn't seem to be building this team to have a few top forwards. If that was his plan, he likely would have chosen Demidov. He's trying to build a ton of depth, which is really important. He's going to have to balance that with adding enough top talent to put them over the top. Depth is great until you end up being Nashville.

Regarding Bedard's ELC. In general, I agree with your sentiment. I was hoping for fewer fossils and more young players (Rossi, Kakko, etc) that could not only improve, but grow with the team. However, you do have to consider what is actually available and if those players want to join the Hawks. Guentzel is a prime example. KD reportedly made a big push for him and he chose TB who is closer to the PO's.
- Chunk

great point and I agree they may have to overpay like they did with Campbell until the window to win opens up again. NO guarantees anyone will sign here regardless but one would hope Bedard and some of the younger pieces coming...players, and especially agents, can point to as a carrot.

Also VERY excited to see Jones open to being traded. Now if they can also move Murphy and call it a day, that would be sweet. Not sure I like the idea of retaining up to 50% on Jones deal for next 5 years unless a team is coming VERY strong to the table in regards to compensation.

Hopefully he fills out as he ages. I didn't put on muscle/weight until 23/24. Barely had facial hair at 19. There is certainly a risk he doesn't similar to TT and others that never "fill out".
- bhawks2241

Same...just surprised for how big his lower body is how easily he gets put on the ice during games. Easily goes down.....could be a skating thing, could be a strength thing, but he has time to improve it. Kid's a wizard but really excited for exactly HOW high his ceiling can ben once he has players that push him instead of him dragging them along.

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I think there final determination will come from if they see Misa as a possible full time centre ice man, regardless of where they play him at the onset.
AsI mentioned before Kyle would have been so thrilled had he got Celebrini as his Bedsy - one two punch as playmakers who can run things through them.
I think Micheal Misa has all the makings of a really good player that can do this, and has the size and wherewithall to play 200 feet well in the NHL.
Martone is taking heat for his earlier firt overall canonization, and then his subsequent lack of production in the World's might have hurt him a lot.

Porter's big body, hands and attitude.
The question I keep hearing is whether he graduates and can do everything he does as an amateur in the pros? I think he can play fast, and he isn't gonna quit as a prospect, and will play and play hard.
I could easily see Misa as the pick.

Yeah, I don't think this year will see anybody take away a spot from the top 5. But there could be Shane Wright / Logan Cooley re-arangement and I could see Porter Martone falling to four, of even Hagens dropping to 3/4...
my biased has Caleb Desnoyers perched solid in #5 but Anton Frondell may have some fans, and watching his carrying and stickhandling will make you one too.

And now that he is back on the ice Roger McQueen will have suitors.
- wiz1901

Thanks Wiz......I read that about Martone losing some stock based on his flame out for canada in wjc but lots of guys on that Canadian roster you could say that about.

Big fan of Misa. I just want more LT top end skill Fs as seems they have a lot of good stuff happening on the back end. See if guys like Rinzell, Moore, Greene get shots here late this season.

Eh. not instant gratification but figuring what SKILL is Bedard's best. If they took him off of C and put him at W with a top end 1C who plays 200 ft does that unleash another level for Bedard offensively we don't get if they keep him at C? I mean the kid has a generational wrist shot, gifted offensive mind.......I just dont know and I can't see how anyone can argue what he truly is LT because he's dragging 2 sub standard skaters night after night shift after shift on his line, and that also is revolving door. They need to lock in a pair of linemates for him and let him gel....fact the kid is putting up a pt a game with this supporting cast no question makes me think we will have our 1st 50 scorer since JR and a multiple Hart trophy winner.....but this kid needs some top end talent. And no, Ryan Donato is not hit. Sell high on him.....while you can. Signing him when he's flashing with be Kurashev this year, next year.
- SteveRain

I meant all our young guys: Nazar, KK, Lev, the guys coming up behind them, even Vlasic and Reichel.

Thanks Wiz......I read that about Martone losing some stock based on his flame out for canada in wjc but lots of guys on that Canadian roster you could say that about.

Big fan of Misa. I just want more LT top end skill Fs as seems they have a lot of good stuff happening on the back end. See if guys like Rinzell, Moore, Greene get shots here late this season.
- SteveRain

The WJC is traditionally a 19 year old tournament. Martone didn’t “flame out” he just wasn’t ready for the competition. Very few 18 year olds dominate the WJC, and usually 17 year olds are in it for the experience and for future WJC tournaments. I do remember one 17 year old dominating the tournament. He’s the guy you’re suggesting should be a winger.

Looks like the consensus here is that Bedard needs a power forward on one of his wings, and I agree. KD needs to find that type of forward sooner rather than later, either through a trade or free agency. When KD finds that forward, the best option on the current roster to fill the other wing is Teräväinen. I know that he was a healthy scratch against Canada, however he has shown some chemistry with Bedard and has the tools to set up Bedard as well as the other wing. As far as the draft, if Schaefer is gone, then take Misa so he can center the 2nd line when ready. I’m leery of 18 year old power forwards, just because they manhandle other 18 year olds does not mean that it will translate to the NHL. Heck, sign Rantanen, then you’ll have Bedard with Rantanen and Teravainen, bet that line can finish.

Looks like the consensus here is that Bedard needs a power forward on one of his wings, and I agree. KD needs to find that type of forward sooner rather than later, either through a trade or free agency. When KD finds that forward, the best option on the current roster to fill the other wing is Teräväinen. I know that he was a healthy scratch against Canada, however he has shown some chemistry with Bedard and has the tools to set up Bedard as well as the other wing. As far as the draft, if Schaefer is gone, then take Misa so he can center the 2nd line when ready. I’m leery of 18 year old power forwards, just because they manhandle other 18 year olds does not mean that it will translate to the NHL. Heck, sign Rantanen, then you’ll have Bedard with Rantanen and Teravainen, bet that line can finish.
- Angotti

Clever … but you missed an “n”.

TODAY'S TANKATHON

CHI moves down 2 spots to 4. PIT moves up 6, MON up 7.

1 Pittsburgh
2 Montreal
3 San Jose
4 Chicago
5 Nashville
6 Buffalo
7 Seattle
8 Philadelphia
9 St. Louis
10 Anaheim

If 1-3 are Schaefer, Martone, and Misa, is it automatically Hagens at 4 or do you look at Desnoyers also?

TODAY'S TANKATHON

CHI moves down 2 spots to 4. PIT moves up 6, MON up 7.

1 Pittsburgh
2 Montreal
3 San Jose
4 Chicago
5 Nashville
6 Buffalo
7 Seattle
8 Philadelphia
9 St. Louis
10 Anaheim

If 1-3 are Schaefer, Martone, and Misa, is it automatically Hagens at 4 or do you look at Desnoyers also?
- totem

Desnoyers is knocking on the door but right now I think those four guys are at the top. I think Chicago has to go best available and right now that guy is Hagens unless he’s selected earlier.

TODAY'S TANKATHON

CHI moves down 2 spots to 4. PIT moves up 6, MON up 7.

1 Pittsburgh
2 Montreal
3 San Jose
4 Chicago
5 Nashville
6 Buffalo
7 Seattle
8 Philadelphia
9 St. Louis
10 Anaheim

If 1-3 are Schaefer, Martone, and Misa, is it automatically Hagens at 4 or do you look at Desnoyers also?
- totem

I think if Hawks drop to four they explore trading the pick for ready to go assets.

Desnoyers is knocking on the door but right now I think those four guys are at the top. I think Chicago has to go best available and right now that guy is Hagens unless he’s selected earlier.
- paulr

That is what I’m seeing as well on ratings and mocks. I’ve not seen these guys play, only watched clips. KD and his team may have a different list of player rankings. Hopefully they get at least a top three pick.

I think if Hawks drop to four they explore trading the pick for ready to go assets.
- Scott1977

The best player is James Hagens by a lot, unless Frondell adds beast mode before the selecting begins...

great point and I agree they may have to overpay like they did with Campbell until the window to win opens up again. NO guarantees anyone will sign here regardless but one would hope Bedard and some of the younger pieces coming...players, and especially agents, can point to as a carrot.

Also VERY excited to see Jones open to being traded. Now if they can also move Murphy and call it a day, that would be sweet. Not sure I like the idea of retaining up to 50% on Jones deal for next 5 years unless a team is coming VERY strong to the table in regards to compensation.
- SteveRain

I will be done ! with Davidson, if he gives up 50% or really any retention at all .Jones will be a huge bonus to any slight contender that gets him . Jones will also age well . With the cap rising majorly over the next few years .Didn't mention he's a righty !!! .Davidson should tread lightly on this one .

Same...just surprised for how big his lower body is how easily he gets put on the ice during games. Easily goes down.....could be a skating thing, could be a strength thing, but he has time to improve it. Kid's a wizard but really excited for exactly HOW high his ceiling can ben once he has players that push him instead of him dragging them along.
- SteveRain

He is really light on his feet. Both in a good way and what you just said. Goes down like he weights 5lbs. No resistance so to speak. On occasion when braces himself or seems ready for contact I don’t see that as an issue usually. In those instances he seems pretty strong on his skates.

Sometimes he will go win a board battle. Other times barely gets touched and he goes down.

Not a good enough skater to know if that’s a skating issue? Or he just needs to change how he plays a bit?