Just look at the Rangers so desperate to make the playoffs they even got older than they were.
- BetweenTheDots

If I had Shesterkin as my goalie, I would do everything in my power to make the playoffs too. Was it Florida that made the playoffs 2 years ago on the last day and went to the finals?, and won the cup last year?

And did the Rangers get older. They brought in 31 yo Miller and Vaakanainen who is 26, Got rid of Trouba who is 31 and Reilly Smith who is 33?

they also traded often injure Ryan Lindgren because he is going to be a UFA and the Rangers weren't going to sign him, as his play has declined with all the injuries he has accumulated.

When did KD trade all of the other D prospects? Arty is younger than KK. Rinzel is the same age. They don't have enough room for all the prospects as it is, and they have more first rounders in the coming years.

Known quantity >>> hope.
- Chunk

Well i wouldn't trade him because i want to see who my best defenseman are at 22 to 25 years old. You keep saying they don't have enough room they do for now. They do for next year bye bye Jones, they do the following because Murphy probably won't be here, they have at least 3 years before anything has to give, i hoard them and keep the cream of the crop, so keep yelling how they have no room and yet they are all still here for now.

This is all speculation and hypothetical. No one has any idea if he even wants out let alone would accept a trade to the Hawks. We are discussing his value and utility to the Hawks.

Your argument is that he's declining and too old for the Hawks. Mine is that relative to the performance of his team he is not declining, and he'll be 34 when his contract is up. Tavares, Marchand, Nelson, Palmieri, Duchene, Granlund are all 33-36 and high producers for their teams.
- Chunk

Pasta speculation? Not what I heard...
My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with a girl who saw Pasta demand a trade at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it’s pretty serious.

Anyone see the Rasmus Dahlin quote/rumor/whatever?
How about we send them Korch+1st rounder for him and build the ultimate blue line

If I had Shesterkin as my goalie, I would do everything in my power to make the playoffs too. Was it Florida that made the playoffs 2 years ago on the last day and went to the finals?, and won the cup last year?

And did the Rangers get older. They brought in 31 yo Miller and Vaakanainen who is 26, Got rid of Trouba who is 31 and Reilly Smith who is 33?

they also traded often injure Ryan Lindgren because he is going to be a UFA and the Rangers weren't going to sign him, as his play has declined with all the injuries he has accumulated.
- LAHawk

Don't forget Kakko and Chytil

Don't forget Kakko and Chytil
- BetweenTheDots

Rangers filled with Othmann and Edstrom.

Rangers filled with Othmann and Edstrom.
- LAHawk

Tobias Funke Ednstrom?

Well i wouldn't trade him because i want to see who my best defenseman are at 22 to 25 years old. You keep saying they don't have enough room they do for now. They do for next year bye bye Jones, they do the following because Murphy probably won't be here, they have at least 3 years before anything has to give, i hoard them and keep the cream of the crop, so keep yelling how they have no room and yet they are all still here for now.
- BetweenTheDots

KK, Arty, Vlasic, Crev, Kaiser, EDM, Rinzel, Allan. That's 8 right there and they aren't getting rid of Murphy, so that's 9 next year that could potentially break with the team. If they get #1 this year, very good shot at drafting Schaefer that's 10.

Arty is 19 now, so three more years before you decide who you are keeping? You can run the exact same exercise with the forwards. At what point do you say "hey, we should probably try to win some games now"?

Again, they are not going to stop drafting players. They will continue to add more players every year. You can't be so petrified of trading a good player that your team doesn't become competitive.

Tobias Funke Ednstrom?
- captainserious

Adam Edstrom, all 6'8 of him

KK, Arty, Vlasic, Crev, Kaiser, EDM, Rinzel, Allan. That's 8 right there and they aren't getting rid of Murphy, so that's 9 next year that could potentially break with the team. If they get #1 this year, very good shot at drafting Schaefer that's 10.

Arty is 19 now, so three more years before you decide who you are keeping? You can run the exact same exercise with the forwards. At what point do you say "hey, we should probably try to win some games now"?

Again, they are not going to stop drafting players. They will continue to add more players every year. You can't be so petrified of trading a good player that your team doesn't become competitive.
- Chunk

Who's petrified, it's called being diligent. KD even said he's tired of developing players for other teams. Besides I'm not going to trade away a 7th OA pick who's a 20 year old dman who's been playing well in the Rock and made the AHL all star team.

I hope they run the same exact exercise with the forwards especially the way they are performing at their respected leagues.

https://www.bleachernatio...other-blackhawks-bullets/

Learned GM Davidson underwent heart surgery last month. I hope he has a complete and speedy recovery.

Who's petrified, it's called being diligent. KD even said he's tired of developing players for other teams. Besides I'm not going to trade away a 7th OA pick who's a 20 year old dman who's been playing well in the Rock and made the AHL all star team.

I hope they run the same exact exercise with the forwards especially the way they are performing at their respected leagues.
- BetweenTheDots

So four more years at least, and hope that you have enough guys that hit their ceiling. Virtually every reporter out there is expecting KD to be very aggressive this offseason. If that is the case, he's not going to strictly look at signing FA's it's stupid from a management standpoint.

You said yourself that you wanted them to sign two quality FA's in the each of the next two years. What if there aren't any quality FA's available (or like Guentzel don't choose to sign with the Hawks)? No trades, just sign pooptier players and hope the kids all make it.

They also will start squeezing a lot of roster space in RFD with the sheer volume of players they will have aging out of junior/college.

Sacha Boisvert was a unanimous selection to the NCHC All-Rookie Team. Has anyone watched him play lately, has his skating improved? If so, would love to see a line of Vanacker/Boisvert/Nazar one day. Maybe they end up with Misa, then substitute Boisvert with Misa. Either way it could be a solid second line for years.

If I had Shesterkin as my goalie, I would do everything in my power to make the playoffs too. Was it Florida that made the playoffs 2 years ago on the last day and went to the finals?, and won the cup last year?

And did the Rangers get older. They brought in 31 yo Miller and Vaakanainen who is 26, Got rid of Trouba who is 31 and Reilly Smith who is 33?

they also traded often injure Ryan Lindgren because he is going to be a UFA and the Rangers weren't going to sign him, as his play has declined with all the injuries he has accumulated.
- LAHawk

Have you seen the Rangers defense lately? They could have Ken Dryden and it wouldn’t make much difference. They only win a game when Shesterkin stands on his head.

Adam Edstrom, all 6'8 of him
- LAHawk

That is a pretty big dude,even for viking standards

Sacha Boisvert was a unanimous selection to the NCHC All-Rookie Team. Has anyone watched him play lately, has his skating improved? If so, would love to see a line of Vanacker/Boisvert/Nazar one day. Maybe they end up with Misa, then substitute Boisvert with Misa. Either way it could be a solid second line for years.
- Angotti

Haven't watched anything but highlights.
Know a guy that watches NCAA hockey,not a Hocks fan.
Says Boisvert isn't a burner,but his skating is fine and he gets where he needs to go without any issues.

So four more years at least, and hope that you have enough guys that hit their ceiling. Virtually every reporter out there is expecting KD to be very aggressive this offseason. If that is the case, he's not going to strictly look at signing FA's it's stupid from a management standpoint.

You said yourself that you wanted them to sign two quality FA's in the each of the next two years. What if there aren't any quality FA's available (or like Guentzel don't choose to sign with the Hawks)? No trades, just sign pooptier players and hope the kids all make it.

They also will start squeezing a lot of roster space in RFD with the sheer volume of players they will have aging out of junior/college.
- Chunk

I know you call me petrified, but it sure seems like you are about how he is rebuilding this team.

What stupid is if he makes a move that hurts the future of this team. The pssta move would just be that

Sacha Boisvert was a unanimous selection to the NCHC All-Rookie Team. Has anyone watched him play lately, has his skating improved? If so, would love to see a line of Vanacker/Boisvert/Nazar one day. Maybe they end up with Misa, then substitute Boisvert with Misa. Either way it could be a solid second line for years.
- Angotti

Hopefully they trade him soon

I know you call me petrified, but it sure seems like you are about how he is rebuilding this team.

What stupid is if he makes a move that hurts the future of this team. The pssta move would just be that
- BetweenTheDots

Because it's shortsighted. You're favorite reference is Faber and how dumb the Kings were to trade him. The Hawks have mountains of D prospects beyond KK and more draft picks coming. You trade from a position of excess to obtain the things you need.

The Hawks don't have a bonafide winger to play with Bedard. I would posit that they need one in order to get this team moving in the right direction.

As far as I can tell, your argument against Pasta is that he is too old and his performance is tailing off. He's 28 with a contract that ends when he is 34. He's is still putting up 1.2 PPG (from a peak of 1.37) despite his team scoring dropping from 3.7 GPG to 2.7 over the last two years.

He's got a full NMC and likely isn't available, but to be against a move for such a player because of concern that one prospect (out of multiple high end ones you have at his position) you trade away MIGHT become really good, I think is just playing scared. Two late firsts and KK for Pastrnak I think is a solid move.

Well i wouldn't trade him because i want to see who my best defenseman are at 22 to 25 years old. You keep saying they don't have enough room they do for now. They do for next year bye bye Jones, they do the following because Murphy probably won't be here, they have at least 3 years before anything has to give, i hoard them and keep the cream of the crop, so keep yelling how they have no room and yet they are all still here for now.
- BetweenTheDots

You can’t keep all these defensemen until they’re 25 Dots. The Hawks will need to project where these guys will be in three-four years and act accordingly. That’s the reason for drafting best available, so you can make moves from strength. You build a team through the draft, then you add what’s needed through trades and free agency. They’re going to have a good set of defensemen and goaltenders, they’ll need to improve their goal scoring and defensive game upfront, they’re now coming up on that phase. Who knows, maybe they acquire a 25 year old stud forward, similar to the Eichel and Tkachuk trades.

You guys can fantasize about Pasta all you want and think this would be good for the rebuild. I just don't see it that way if he wants out of Boston and is interested in coming here then sure I'd kick the tires on him and see what shakes loose. That's the luxury of being in our position we can be picky.
- BetweenTheDots

I'm not giving a whole lot to get him, we don't even know what we have? Crazy, two years ago Boston sets a record for points. Now they're rebuilding. Were never the same after we beat them at the end of the year.

At some point, the Hawks are going to have to bring in a big-time player who is 'older' in age. Hossa was 31 entering his first year with the Hawks on a 12-year contract. Hossa also hadn't won a cup yet and had been on teams that were close (but failed).

I know this specific conversation is talk, and there is no speculation, but part of this team's process is going to be adding a player like the one being discussed (Pasta). I know it is temporary, but I am ready for them to be past the stage of paying aging veterans to serve as placeholders.

Their youth movement is fully on; they have a ton of draft capital over the next few years, and their cap space is insane. They are eventually going to add a big-time player (to two) that is in their late 20s/early 30s.
- frafra

McDavid.

McDavid.
- rpeters01

McKinnon
Barkov

Whomever the Hawks trade for it's less about "are they over the hill" or "too old" right now. More about, where will they be 3 years from now. That's a realistic timeline for the team to actually be a contender/threat to win.

Whomever the Hawks trade for it's less about "are they over the hill" or "too old" right now. More about, where will they be 3 years from now. That's a realistic timeline for the team to actually be a contender/threat to win.
- breadbag

With so many similar aged defensemen who project as NHLers, they could make hockey trades with teams who have no room for young NHL caliber forwards in their systems.

Because it's shortsighted. You're favorite reference is Faber and how dumb the Kings were to trade him. The Hawks have mountains of D prospects beyond KK and more draft picks coming. You trade from a position of excess to obtain the things you need.

The Hawks don't have a bonafide winger to play with Bedard. I would posit that they need one in order to get this team moving in the right direction.

As far as I can tell, your argument against Pasta is that he is too old and his performance is tailing off. He's 28 with a contract that ends when he is 34. He's is still putting up 1.2 PPG (from a peak of 1.37) despite his team scoring dropping from 3.7 GPG to 2.7 over the last two years.

He's got a full NMC and likely isn't available, but to be against a move for such a player because of concern that one prospect (out of multiple high end ones you have at his position) you trade away MIGHT become really good, I think is just playing scared. Two late firsts and KK for Pastrnak I think is a solid move.
- Chunk

Here is Tulsky on the Raantanen trade:

Look, our organization is characterized by an aggressive approach. Our forecheck tries to put pressure on, our defensive coverage tries to be aggressive. On and off the ice, we want to be aggressive whenever we can. And being aggressive means taking some risks. It means taking some chances. If you only make moves when you're 100% sure you know exactly how it's going to work out. You're going to miss some opportunities to make the team better. That's not what we want to do. If the team was already winning Cup after Cup after Cup, maybe that would be a time to be conservative, but we haven't gotten where we want to be yet, hence we need to keep taking chances and trying to push things forward. Ultimately, that means taking some risks. When you're bringing in a player like Mikko, the upside of having it work out long-term is worth that risk, in my mind. Obviously we didn't want it to end with him being traded away. That wasn't the goal, but that trade allowed us to bring in other pieces that will help us. It brings in a player who is going to be a long-term fit for us, who plays like he was born to be a Carolina Hurricane and brings in a lot of draft capital to keep us reloading the team going forward. Ultimately that fits with how we want to run this organization and we're comfortable with the way it ended.