Boston lost their top two centers last year (Bergeron/Krejci) and lost even more talent this offseason. His shooting percentage is about the same as it was last year. The last three years (22-23 thru 24-25) the Bruins have scored at 3.67, 3.2, and 2.7 goals/game. and Pasta's numbers are almost identical. He went from 1.37 ppg to 1.21 ppg on a much worse team.

Why do you hate context so much?
- Chunk

I was spitballin an off-season trade to get a top flight forward. Mostly, I was trying to show that the two guys he wanted to sign weren't as good and they are the same age.

TODAY'S TANKATHON

BOS again jumps to #1, NAS to #2. CHI to #4.

10 Boston
4 Nashville
1 San Jose
2 Chicago
3 Buffalo
5 Seattle
6 Pittsburgh
7 Philadelphia
8 Anaheim
9 NY Islanders
11 Detroit
12 NY Rangers (to PIT)
13 Utah
14 St. Louis
15 Montreal
16 Vancouver

Given the above, would you do the following trade?

To SEA:
2025 1st (CHI, #4)

To CHI:
C Shane Wright
F Jagger Firkus
2026 3rd (SEA)

CHI more likely to trade a pick in the #4 slot, probably will want the pick if it is top 3.

SEA is thinking of a retool and gets an extra high pick to start. CHI gets a previous top 5 center, Wright, who is 21 and has improved this year (38 pts in 62 games); plus adds a dynamic young scorer in Firkus, and a 3rd round flyer in a deep 2026 draft.

It cost the Blackhawks so much to trade for Seth jones cause Bowman had to have him. I'm glad it's make believe because if they gave up all of that to trade for Pasta i would feel the same way. What the (frank) are we doing? And since i can't stay on point or make sense to others, or I'm missing context even though Pasta is old on hockey years I'll leave it at that, let Boston keep their effective player.
- BetweenTheDots

He is the same age as the two guys you want to overpay. Plus he pretty much outscores them by himself.

Here is Tulsky on the Raantanen trade:

Look, our organization is characterized by an aggressive approach. Our forecheck tries to put pressure on, our defensive coverage tries to be aggressive. On and off the ice, we want to be aggressive whenever we can. And being aggressive means taking some risks. It means taking some chances. If you only make moves when you're 100% sure you know exactly how it's going to work out. You're going to miss some opportunities to make the team better. That's not what we want to do. If the team was already winning Cup after Cup after Cup, maybe that would be a time to be conservative, but we haven't gotten where we want to be yet, hence we need to keep taking chances and trying to push things forward. Ultimately, that means taking some risks. When you're bringing in a player like Mikko, the upside of having it work out long-term is worth that risk, in my mind. Obviously we didn't want it to end with him being traded away. That wasn't the goal, but that trade allowed us to bring in other pieces that will help us. It brings in a player who is going to be a long-term fit for us, who plays like he was born to be a Carolina Hurricane and brings in a lot of draft capital to keep us reloading the team going forward. Ultimately that fits with how we want to run this organization and we're comfortable with the way it ended.
- LAHawk

That's a lot of words to say, I (frank)ed up.

TODAY'S TANKATHON

BOS again jumps to #1, NAS to #2. CHI to #4.

10 Boston
4 Nashville
1 San Jose
2 Chicago
3 Buffalo
5 Seattle
6 Pittsburgh
7 Philadelphia
8 Anaheim
9 NY Islanders
11 Detroit
12 NY Rangers (to PIT)
13 Utah
14 St. Louis
15 Montreal
16 Vancouver

Given the above, would you do the following trade?

To SEA:
2025 1st (CHI, #4)

To CHI:
C Shane Wright
F Jagger Firkus
2026 3rd (SEA)

CHI more likely to trade a pick in the #4 slot, probably will want the pick if it is top 3.

SEA is thinking of a retool and gets an extra high pick to start. CHI gets a previous top 5 center, Wright, who is 21 and has improved this year (38 pts in 62 games); plus adds a dynamic young scorer in Firkus, and a 3rd round flyer in a deep 2026 draft.
- totem

You're not very good at this for one. lol

To the trade? Nope. They have a Firkus. I might give them a Fla's pick and a couple of 2nds other than their own

That's a lot of words to say, I (frank)ed up.
- Elbows15

IDK, I have always been taught by my mentors sins of omission are generally way more costly than sins of comission.

You're not very good at this for one. lol

To the trade? Nope. They have a Firkus. I might give them a Fla's pick and a couple of 2nds other than their own
- Elbows15

Well, you learn through practice, right?

Just my opinion but Wright may be a lot better than people are expecting right now. Still only 21.

And CHI does have probably 2 Firkuses, or Firki, or whatever. But teams go hungry for scoring all the time, so snipers have value.

That's a lot of words to say, I (frank)ed up.
- Elbows15

The net of it is something like Necas, Drury, a 2nd, and a 4th for Logan Stankoven, two 1sts and two 3rds. Necas and Drury both have another year on their contracts.

They didn't ask him about giving up an early 3rd for Taylor Hall, apparently.

Well, you learn through practice, right?

Just my opinion but Wright may be a lot better than people are expecting right now. Still only 21.

And CHI does have probably 2 Firkuses, or Firki, or whatever. But teams go hungry for scoring all the time, so snipers have value.
- totem

I like Misa's upside more and Martone fills more of a need if the Hawks don't get 1OA

Well, you learn through practice, right?

Just my opinion but Wright may be a lot better than people are expecting right now. Still only 21.

And CHI does have probably 2 Firkuses, or Firki, or whatever. But teams go hungry for scoring all the time, so snipers have value.
- totem

If I'm making a trade of a high pick(s) and/or prospects, I want an established guy coming back. The Hawks have plenty of hope coming already.

I like Misa's upside more and Martone fills more of a need if the Hawks don't get 1OA
- Elbows15

OK, the scenario though is CHI at #4 and I am assuming Misa and Martone are gone by then, agree that if they are 2-3 they will pick one of those two.

Edit: CHI at #4

OK, the scenario though is CHI and #4 and I am assuming Misa and Martone are gone by then, agree that if they are 2-3 they will pick one of those two.
- totem

Yeah, I am trying to not put that out in the universe.

If I'm making a trade of a high pick(s) and/or prospects, I want an established guy coming back. The Hawks have plenty of hope coming already.
- Chunk

Would like that too but trying to change the scenario since the previous talk was that most of the established guys don't fit the timeline or won't come to CHI right now.

If I'm making a trade of a high pick(s) and/or prospects, I want an established guy coming back. The Hawks have plenty of hope coming already.
- Chunk

Here is Tulsky on the Raantanen trade:

Look, our organization is characterized by an aggressive approach. Our forecheck tries to put pressure on, our defensive coverage tries to be aggressive. On and off the ice, we want to be aggressive whenever we can. And being aggressive means taking some risks. It means taking some chances. If you only make moves when you're 100% sure you know exactly how it's going to work out. You're going to miss some opportunities to make the team better. That's not what we want to do. If the team was already winning Cup after Cup after Cup, maybe that would be a time to be conservative, but we haven't gotten where we want to be yet, hence we need to keep taking chances and trying to push things forward. Ultimately, that means taking some risks. When you're bringing in a player like Mikko, the upside of having it work out long-term is worth that risk, in my mind. Obviously we didn't want it to end with him being traded away. That wasn't the goal, but that trade allowed us to bring in other pieces that will help us. It brings in a player who is going to be a long-term fit for us, who plays like he was born to be a Carolina Hurricane and brings in a lot of draft capital to keep us reloading the team going forward. Ultimately that fits with how we want to run this organization and we're comfortable with the way it ended.
- LAHawk

Say what you(not specifically you)want about Bowman, at least he signed Jones when he traded for him. Sure it wasn’t a good signing, but better off than what Carolina did considering the player. The two firsts from Dallas are going to be in the back of the first round, and Stankoven is a legitimate smurf. Actually the Hawks got Allan, Knight, and a late first for Boqvist, Sillinger, and another first.

Say what you(not specifically you)want about Bowman, at least he signed Jones when he traded for him. Sure it wasn’t a good signing, but better off than what Carolina did considering the player. The two firsts from Dallas are going to be in the back of the first round, and Stankoven is a legitimate smurf. Actually the Hawks got Allan, Knight, and a late first for Boqvist, Sillinger, and another first.
- Angotti

Jiricek.

Would like that too but trying to change the scenario since the previous talk was that most of the established guys don't fit the timeline or won't come to CHI right now.
- totem

Pay no attention to the Dots (or paulr) behind the curtain.

What do they know... aside from Bob?

Pay no attention to the Dots (or paulr) behind the curtain.

What do they know... aside from Bob?
- Chunk

Are you saying they’re the same guy? Hmmm…hadn’t thought of that.

Glad to here Arty had a good debut ,did not get a chance to see it myself . I have faith in most posters here to be objective . I was in the Lindstrom boat or Demidov on draft day . I be glad to eat my words if Artyom can become a top stud D man .
I am predicting the HAWKS, with their recent lottery history will pick 3rd, and select Misa .

Are you saying they’re the same guy? Hmmm…hadn’t thought of that.
- HawkintheD

No, they just have the same view that it's either too soon, or that a 29 year old doesn't fit the timeline.

It's annoying when people argue with me when they know I'm right.

With so many similar aged defensemen who project as NHLers, they could make hockey trades with teams who have no room for young NHL caliber forwards in their systems.
- 35Tony0

Finding a budding young forward stuck behind others would be ideal yeah. Someone who needs the opportunity and has a lot of good years left.

Are you saying they’re the same guy? Hmmm…hadn’t thought of that.
- HawkintheD

Hahaha, it is scary how much we agree with each other on this. I may need to go to a retreat.

You can’t keep all these defensemen until they’re 25 Dots. The Hawks will need to project where these guys will be in three-four years and act accordingly. That’s the reason for drafting best available, so you can make moves from strength. You build a team through the draft, then you add what’s needed through trades and free agency. They’re going to have a good set of defensemen and goaltenders, they’ll need to improve their goal scoring and defensive game upfront, they’re now coming up on that phase. Who knows, maybe they acquire a 25 year old stud forward, similar to the Eichel and Tkachuk trades.
- Angotti

Maybe not but I'm not dealing guys from the bottom of the deck like Korchinski, Any scout can evaluate older talent better than younger. Elbows probably is pissed that they traded Debrincat and can't get over it.

Maybe not but I'm not dealing guys from the bottom of the deck like Korchinski, Any scout can evaluate older talent better than younger. Elbows probably is pissed that they traded Debrincat and can't get over it.
- BetweenTheDots

No, that's not it.

Korbustsky sucks.

No, that's not it.

Korbustsky sucks.
- Elbows15

Come back when he's 25.