Come back when he's 25.

- rpeters01

Congrats on being #8,000

Congrats on being #8,000
- RaleighHawk

OK, the scenario though is CHI at #4 and I am assuming Misa and Martone are gone by then, agree that if they are 2-3 they will pick one of those two.

Edit: CHI at #4
- totem

Not sure how many teams have Martone higher than Hagens on their draft board honestly. Martone is averaging #4 across all the big experts listed on EP.

Not sure how many teams have Martone higher than Hagens on their draft board honestly. Martone is averaging #4 across all the big experts listed on EP.
- Assman22

I’m with you on this one, I actually wouldn’t be surprised to see Martone drop down to fifth in the draft.

Congrats on being #8,000
- RaleighHawk

Who will be lucky #10,000!?!!

Not sure how many teams have Martone higher than Hagens on their draft board honestly. Martone is averaging #4 across all the big experts listed on EP.
- Assman22

I guess that Martone/Misa at 2/3 has been changing some recently. If Roger McQueen plays well down the stretch, have to consider his size and skill for a top 4 pick also.

I guess that Martone/Misa at 2/3 has been changing some recently. If Roger McQueen plays well down the stretch, have to consider his size and skill for a top 4 pick also.
- totem

Possibly. He’s a beast when healthy but back concerns for that height sacked Lindstrom last draft so who knows. Desnoyers could legitimately sneak into #4 as well.

I guess that Martone/Misa at 2/3 has been changing some recently. If Roger McQueen plays well down the stretch, have to consider his size and skill for a top 4 pick also.
- totem

So who is the Bennett Sennecke of this years draft? And who will be the Cole Eisermsn of this years draft?

So who is the Bennett Sennecke of this years draft? And who will be the Cole Eisermsn of this years draft?
- LAHawk

Interesting question, I guess from the west I would say maybe
Lynden Lakovic, LW, 6-4, 185, Moose Jaw
Radim Mrtka, RD, 6-6, 207 Seattle

Those guys have their size working for them. Mrtka is still adjusting after recently coming over from Czechia but is ranked high.

Still like Malcolm Spence but he seems to have dropped from the top 10 to the 20s.

So who is the Bennett Sennecke of this years draft? And who will be the Cole Eisermsn of this years draft?
- LAHawk

Frondell could go very early like Sennecke did last year. McQueen could fall a ways like Eiserman.

At some point, the Hawks are going to have to bring in a big-time player who is 'older' in age. Hossa was 31 entering his first year with the Hawks on a 12-year contract. Hossa also hadn't won a cup yet and had been on teams that were close (but failed).

I know this specific conversation is talk, and there is no speculation, but part of this team's process is going to be adding a player like the one being discussed (Pasta). I know it is temporary, but I am ready for them to be past the stage of paying aging veterans to serve as placeholders.

Their youth movement is fully on; they have a ton of draft capital over the next few years, and their cap space is insane. They are eventually going to add a big-time player (to two) that is in their late 20s/early 30s.
- frafra

You articulated two knowns, givens, baked in the cakes. Both that a difference making player will be added and when (eventually is what you said). ....... Two schools of thought surrounding this eventuality being discussed is add him now or add him later.

Count me in the camp that says add him (the damage of his salary and term) later with the caveat of minimal cost for adding one now. For a difference maker like Knight for basically peanuts do it 100 outa 100 times. .......... I don't wanna give up 2 1sts, other than the 25th and beyond, for anyone over 26 right now.

3 yrs from now, let er rip and pay for that guy who's going to tip the scales and make the club a top 5 in hockey.

As much as I really don't like the Athletic, a friend of mine showed me Laz's recent article where he asked MacKinnon (and a few others) about Bedard. It's a good read and needed perspective.

The gist is that people should not be worried about Bedard. MacKinnon was worried he would be traded after his fourth year. He wasn't playing top line minutes and was taken off the power play for stretches. To be able to accomplish what he's been able to at 19 is no small feat. That said, he certainly needs help and will need to learn to play with help as well.
- Chunk

When Messier went after Bedard's game a couple months back there was outrage on one side or another. My outrage was he, and both national media's, were a yr late and should have criticized him in Game 50 last yr.

Dom, the fancy stat guru at The Athletic, wrote after collecting and analyzing data from last yr that since he started tracking in 2006 Bedard had the very worst defensive metrics.

Yet Messier and all the media raved about the kid all yr when he was beyond horrific outside of the Ozone.

Messier was perturbed that Bedard was 2 strides backchecking away from preventing a weak side tap in. Well, if he was critically watching Bedard this yr he'd know that last yr the kid wasn't even in the picture on that play, or even in the zone. He'd know since the 1st shift this yr the kid was trying to become a hockey player, and that is more evident each game, and would have praised him for his improvement.

Kid is a liability this yr defensively but last yrs Bedard wouldn't win a cup in 100 yrs. I posted early in the yr that I saw Bedard below both end lines on the same shift in a game this yr. I never saw that last yr once that I can remember but today I see him do it all the time. Combined with him taking much shorter shifts, and although still alarmingly high, his turnovers are down and we see the kid is trying to improve as a hockey player, some say a hockey player period.

Not sure how much Bedard will ever improve defensively but IMO he's on his way in that regard to being a player that could win a cup. Last yr, not a chance in hell.

And as far as Laz, cmon man. The only comparison between Bedard and MacKinnon coming into the Bigs is they both had 2 legs. The biggest being MacKinnon came into the league that somewhere along the way was taught to be a hockey player and Bedard was, or allowed, coached to score and little or nothing else.

To hell with points per game, Laz. It means jack. Let Bedard play like he did last yr and the kid will put up 1.25 ppg but won't win a damn thing. And having Crosby and Stamkos on his line have nothing to do with him giving effort, backchecking, drive by stick waving, stopping and starting. So stop with who his mates are and what Crosby's or MacKinnon's were. ........ It's nothing but an excuse for Bedard as he works toward him being a player that can win a cup. How many pts per game the kid ever has will not determine if he wins a cup or not if he's not a hockey player.

Sacha Boisvert was a unanimous selection to the NCHC All-Rookie Team. Has anyone watched him play lately, has his skating improved? If so, would love to see a line of Vanacker/Boisvert/Nazar one day. Maybe they end up with Misa, then substitute Boisvert with Misa. Either way it could be a solid second line for years.
- Angotti

Lou, funny you mention Boisvert. I have watched Boisvert lately but will much closer as the Frozen Four gets closer. I'm starting to think the kid has a chance to be a Ryan O'Rielly or even Johnny Toews like player.

What he's doing as a true freshman in the NCAA is really good with 28 in 34 and showing he's a gamer while doing it. Strong willed and super mature kid takes every zone and shift seriously.

To me his floor was always high and his 36 goals with Muskegon his draft yr showed he had scoring ability but this yr his play had my raise his floor a good bit while projecting him.

Lou, his skating isn't and never was an issue. I watched him enough in the USHL to feel compfortable enough to say that. Sure his skating could be better but it was never a problem. ......... He's looking more and more like a money in the bank player that's a legit centerman with a good motor, plays 2 ways with scoring chops/backclass and a really strong Toews/O'Rielly type will to win.

I watch what this kid is doing as much as any Hawk prospect.

Lou, funny you mention Boisvert. I have watched Boisvert lately but will much closer as the Frozen Four gets closer. I'm starting to think the kid has a chance to be a Ryan O'Rielly or even Johnny Toews like player.

What he's doing as a true freshman in the NCAA is really good with 28 in 34 and showing he's a gamer while doing it. Strong willed and super mature kid takes every zone and shift seriously.

To me his floor was always high and his 36 goals with Muskegon his draft yr showed he had scoring ability but this yr his play had my raise his floor a good bit while projecting him.

Lou, his skating isn't and never was an issue. I watched him enough in the USHL to feel compfortable enough to say that. Sure his skating could be better but it was never a problem. ......... He's looking more and more like a money in the bank player that's a legit centerman with a good motor, plays 2 ways with scoring chops/backclass and a really strong Toews/O'Rielly type will to win.

I watch what this kid is doing as much as any Hawk prospect.
- Mr Ricochet

Thanks for the update Rico, much appreciated. If he can turn out into a Toews or O’Rielly lite, I’ll take that. I’m a big fan of two way centers. Hopefully we see him up with the big club for the 2027/28 season.

https://www.bleachernatio...other-blackhawks-bullets/

Some good info on Knight, interesting speculation of maybe trading Crevier and Kaiser for quality player?

We'll see

https://www.bleachernation.com/blackhawks/2025/03/12/davidsons-heart-knights-arrival-bedard-perspective-trade-chips-and-other-blackhawks-bullets/

Some good info on Knight, interesting speculation of maybe trading Crevier and Kaiser for quality player?

We'll see
- BetweenTheDots

The one guy I’d hate to see go is Kaiser. While there certainly some holes in his game I don’t think they’re anything that can’t be corrected. I think he’s one of the most competitive players on the team. He plays well beyond his size, he’s fearless and he gets himself into every puck battle. That said most of the Hawk defensemen have allot of upside so I’m sure the selection and elimination process will be extremely difficult.

When Messier went after Bedard's game a couple months back there was outrage on one side or another. My outrage was he, and both national media's, were a yr late and should have criticized him in Game 50 last yr.

Dom, the fancy stat guru at The Athletic, wrote after collecting and analyzing data from last yr that since he started tracking in 2006 Bedard had the very worst defensive metrics.

Yet Messier and all the media raved about the kid all yr when he was beyond horrific outside of the Ozone.

Messier was perturbed that Bedard was 2 strides backchecking away from preventing a weak side tap in. Well, if he was critically watching Bedard this yr he'd know that last yr the kid wasn't even in the picture on that play, or even in the zone. He'd know since the 1st shift this yr the kid was trying to become a hockey player, and that is more evident each game, and would have praised him for his improvement.

Kid is a liability this yr defensively but last yrs Bedard wouldn't win a cup in 100 yrs. I posted early in the yr that I saw Bedard below both end lines on the same shift in a game this yr. I never saw that last yr once that I can remember but today I see him do it all the time. Combined with him taking much shorter shifts, and although still alarmingly high, his turnovers are down and we see the kid is trying to improve as a hockey player, some say a hockey player period.

Not sure how much Bedard will ever improve defensively but IMO he's on his way in that regard to being a player that could win a cup. Last yr, not a chance in hell.

And as far as Laz, cmon man. The only comparison between Bedard and MacKinnon coming into the Bigs is they both had 2 legs. The biggest being MacKinnon came into the league that somewhere along the way was taught to be a hockey player and Bedard was, or allowed, coached to score and little or nothing else.

To hell with points per game, Laz. It means jack. Let Bedard play like he did last yr and the kid will put up 1.25 ppg but won't win a damn thing. And having Crosby and Stamkos on his line have nothing to do with him giving effort, backchecking, drive by stick waving, stopping and starting. So stop with who his mates are and what Crosby's or MacKinnon's were. ........ It's nothing but an excuse for Bedard as he works toward him being a player that can win a cup. How many pts per game the kid ever has will not determine if he wins a cup or not if he's not a hockey player.
- Mr Ricochet

I think the point of Laz's article is that people have been concerned about Bedard's production and some of the slumps that he's going through.

For sure, they are different players, but I'll counter that you really cannot dismiss the quality of the players around them. Your environment is a huge driver to your behavior. If no one else on your team is able to score or create, and that is your forte that you've lived off of your entire life, of course that is what you lean on and try to take over. Not saying it's right or wrong, but it is a huge driver of behavior

I think the point of Laz's article is that people have been concerned about Bedard's production and some of the slumps that he's going through.

For sure, they are different players, but I'll counter that you really cannot dismiss the quality of the players around them. Your environment is a huge driver to your behavior. If no one else on your team is able to score or create, and that is your forte that you've lived off of your entire life, of course that is what you lean on and try to take over. Not saying it's right or wrong, but it is a huge driver of behavior
- Chunk

I think really, at this point nobody should be too worried about a teenagers production, deployed as 1C on a rebuilding team.

I think really, at this point nobody should be too worried about a teenagers production, deployed as 1C on a rebuilding team.
- breadbag

Indeed. I believe that was the entire point of the article.

Spellancy suspended two games for being the aggressor in a fight with five seconds left in a game.

Spellancy suspended two games for being the aggressor in a fight with five seconds left in a game.
- bjphawkfan

Undisciplined. Trade him now.

Frondell could go very early like Sennecke did last year. McQueen could fall a ways like Eiserman.
- Assman22

Draft Misa at 2 and Spence with Toronto's pick. If not use in a trade. Solve two issues center and big power forward that plays with nasty to his game. Just Mt opinion

Who will be lucky #10,000!?!!
- bhawks2241

Remember when we were trying to get them to start a new thread.

https://www.bleachernation.com/blackhawks/2025/03/12/davidsons-heart-knights-arrival-bedard-perspective-trade-chips-and-other-blackhawks-bullets/

Some good info on Knight, interesting speculation of maybe trading Crevier and Kaiser for quality player?

We'll see
- BetweenTheDots

Packaging two defensive prospects for a Forward/Center l don't think works. We'll have to include some kind of Forward as well.

Undisciplined. Trade him now.
- Chunk

What our cup teams were missing.