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bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Mar 18 @ 11:02 PM ET
Donato is what he is, a GM should never overpay for a career year.
- Angotti


Agreed. Spencer Knight baptism today. He had no chance on 4 of the goals.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Mar 18 @ 11:04 PM ET
Donato is what he is, a GM should never overpay for a career year.
Edit - Moore can replace Donato, use that money to overpay for real talent.

- Angotti



Like Jason Richardinson?
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Mar 18 @ 11:19 PM ET
Like Jason Richardinson?
- LAHawk

Easy, you’re talking about their 2nd line center, sometimes 1LW. D!ckinson and Foligno need to play on the 4th line for the rest of the year.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Mar 18 @ 11:44 PM ET
Why didn’t Sorenson challenge when Foligno insisted the puck was in the net?

Anyways, doesn’t matter who KD signs in FA or drafts if he doesn’t get the coaching hire correct.

For that matter, ALL the coaches gotta go. Dean, Plante, Sorenson, King.
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Mar 18 @ 11:57 PM ET
Why didn’t Sorenson challenge when Foligno insisted the puck was in the net?

Anyways, doesn’t matter who KD signs in FA or drafts if he doesn’t get the coaching hire correct.

For that matter, ALL the coaches gotta go. Dean, Plante, Sorenson, King.

- LAHawk


What young player improved this year? That answer might end up being none.

Love seeing vets, the alleged leaders of the team, routinely do fly by stick checks. This team is soft. The vets are soft.

Love having to watch 20 plus dump ins a game where multiple forwards are standing still at the blueline.

Just get to the end of the season with no injuries to the youngsters.
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wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Mar 19 @ 12:08 AM ET
Vachabear, LAhawk, so many of you posters have going because that was the worst Blackhawk performance, like the coach nhl vets didn't have the plan in place on how to play the Kraken, and the were out-matched.

Sam Rinzel was labeled a wait and see sleeper in high school but still got picked at the #25 slot. Sam will be He's will be rostered sooner than later, and let's make sure Ryan Greene get his name on a contract too.
Sure, his overall success story combines all his positive attributes but I am specifically impressed with his size / strength, more a big man than a piñata when defending.we will hear the trade rumor craziness: Solderblom, Reichel, and one of the young defenders becoming a package for a good rehab second contract kid.

Was that opening fight the Kraken setting the ledger straight from a previous hawk liberty of a Seattle guy?








SC116
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 08.29.2015

Mar 19 @ 5:35 AM ET
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrUIqXoZpzY

That was a fight?! They used to call those as offsetting delay of game penalties. Gosh I hope the sport doesn't get too rough out there....


Or I can imagine some kiddie coming across a video of Probie -one day -and be entirely shocked .... oooooh that is soooooo horrrrrribbble

I weep for the future.
35Tony0
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Springfield, IL
Joined: 05.10.2015

Mar 19 @ 7:00 AM ET
4-2-4-3-3
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Joined: 08.24.2009

Mar 19 @ 8:04 AM ET
What young player improved this year? That answer might end up being none.

Love seeing vets, the alleged leaders of the team, routinely do fly by stick checks. This team is soft. The vets are soft.

Love having to watch 20 plus dump ins a game where multiple forwards are standing still at the blueline.

Just get to the end of the season with no injuries to the youngsters.
.

- bhawks2241


I agree the coaching isn't up to par outside of Jimmy Waite. But Bedard has made huge progress on his faceoffs. If Bedard didn't teach himself then I'd retain the coach who did.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Mar 19 @ 8:36 AM ET
I do think the back to back sloppy D may have sealed the deal for Sorensen not being made full time HC. While there is better offensive push from the group under him, there are too many of these breakdowns where they give up goals in bunches. It was there at times since he took over in Dec, they'd play well for a period or two, but then absolutely get beat for 5-8 minutes and give up a 3-4 goals.

12 goals given up in the last 45 shots. I know we have a generally young roster right now, and the calling card of young teams is inconsistency, so it's not surprising, but still not fun for the players or the fans.

Right now, I'm on board with just play the kids down the stretch and let them make mistakes. While this wasn't a season of tanking, at this point, finishing lower than SJ isn't a bad thing if it happens. Just focus on the parts that are returning next season and whatever happens in the standings, it is what it is.
Angotti
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Mar 19 @ 10:11 AM ET
I do think the back to back sloppy D may have sealed the deal for Sorensen not being made full time HC. While there is better offensive push from the group under him, there are too many of these breakdowns where they give up goals in bunches. It was there at times since he took over in Dec, they'd play well for a period or two, but then absolutely get beat for 5-8 minutes and give up a 3-4 goals.

12 goals given up in the last 45 shots. I know we have a generally young roster right now, and the calling card of young teams is inconsistency, so it's not surprising, but still not fun for the players or the fans.

Right now, I'm on board with just play the kids down the stretch and let them make mistakes. While this wasn't a season of tanking, at this point, finishing lower than SJ isn't a bad thing if it happens. Just focus on the parts that are returning next season and whatever happens in the standings, it is what it is.

- breadbag

I sure hope so on the bolded. I agree, give the kids more TOI vs the old slow vets for the rest of the season. I know some here are not Reichel fans, but why play a speedster with the two slowest guys on the team. I’m okay with Bertuzzi with him because he does go to the front of the net, but Maroon? Move TT to Bedard’s line and move Reichel between Mikheyev and Bertuzzi, what do they have to lose?
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Mar 19 @ 10:12 AM ET
I do think the back to back sloppy D may have sealed the deal for Sorensen not being made full time HC. While there is better offensive push from the group under him, there are too many of these breakdowns where they give up goals in bunches. It was there at times since he took over in Dec, they'd play well for a period or two, but then absolutely get beat for 5-8 minutes and give up a 3-4 goals.

12 goals given up in the last 45 shots. I know we have a generally young roster right now, and the calling card of young teams is inconsistency, so it's not surprising, but still not fun for the players or the fans.

Right now, I'm on board with just play the kids down the stretch and let them make mistakes. While this wasn't a season of tanking, at this point, finishing lower than SJ isn't a bad thing if it happens. Just focus on the parts that are returning next season and whatever happens in the standings, it is what it is.

- breadbag


On a positive note Lev is me fav Hawk now. 19 year old taking no s*** from opposing teams. Saw him barking at someone. Little subtle stick swings at guys behind the play. He's got some snarl and nasty in his game. He's going to be a monster for the Hawks on the back end.

Bedard needs to go workout with Martin St. Louis for a summer. Saw him in the 3rd skate right into the backside of a Seattle forward and was knocked backward onto his butt. Looked like Bedard legitimately bounced right off him like a pinball. Wasn't even a reverse hit, the forward just braced himself for contact.
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Mar 19 @ 10:14 AM ET
Why didn’t Sorenson challenge when Foligno insisted the puck was in the net?
- LAHawk

Like, Earth to LAHawk, we're in tank mode! Like, shah!
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Mar 19 @ 10:20 AM ET
Vachabear, LAhawk, so many of you posters have going because that was the worst Blackhawk performance, like the coach nhl vets didn't have the plan in place on how to play the Kraken, and the were out-matched.

Sam Rinzel was labeled a wait and see sleeper in high school but still got picked at the #25 slot. Sam will be He's will be rostered sooner than later, and let's make sure Ryan Greene get his name on a contract too.
Sure, his overall success story combines all his positive attributes but I am specifically impressed with his size / strength, more a big man than a piñata when defending.we will hear the trade rumor craziness: Solderblom, Reichel, and one of the young defenders becoming a package for a good rehab second contract kid.

Was that opening fight the Kraken setting the ledger straight from a previous hawk liberty of a Seattle guy?

- wiz1901

Wondering if it's on purpose - every game we play vs another bottom dweller poised to be in the top 5 of the draft as of late (Preds, Sharks, Kraken), the team comes out extremely/overly flat and clueless.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Mar 19 @ 10:28 AM ET
Wondering if it's on purpose - every game we play vs another bottom dweller poised to be in the top 5 of the draft as of late (Preds, Sharks, Kraken), the team comes out extremely/overly flat and clueless.
- Assman22


Last night they pretty much dominated the first period. Wheels came off in the second. Maybe they need Maroon to fight after the opening face off every period?
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Mar 19 @ 10:29 AM ET
Like, Earth to LAHawk, we're in tank mode! Like, shah!
- Assman22


Yes the interim coach is trying to prove he should be the permanent bench coach by tanking games, got it
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Mar 19 @ 10:38 AM ET
Yes the interim coach is trying to prove he should be the permanent bench coach by tanking games, got it

- LAHawk

Ders is and never was going to be the permanent bench coach.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Mar 19 @ 10:46 AM ET
Ders is and never was going to be the permanent bench coach.
- Assman22


I doubt it too and like a couple players is merely a placeholder.

Bamford had this in BN this am…

Final thought on last night: call your damn timeout at 3-2 and get the kids together and maybe slow Seattle’s momentum. For the love of everything at some point a coach here has to recognize that a young team can occasionally use a reset mid-game when things start to spiral, not after the wheels are off and they’re half-way up the river without a paddle. If the larger point of the rest of this season is development, call the timeout and coach ’em up a little maybe? Get the train back near the tracks?
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Mar 19 @ 10:59 AM ET
On a positive note Lev is me fav Hawk now. 19 year old taking no s*** from opposing teams. Saw him barking at someone. Little subtle stick swings at guys behind the play. He's got some snarl and nasty in his game. He's going to be a monster for the Hawks on the back end.

Bedard needs to go workout with Martin St. Louis for a summer. Saw him in the 3rd skate right into the backside of a Seattle forward and was knocked backward onto his butt. Looked like Bedard legitimately bounced right off him like a pinball. Wasn't even a reverse hit, the forward just braced himself for contact.

- bhawks2241


I think the attitude and maturity of Lev was part of what the Hawks liked going into the draft. Little bit of a nasty streak is okay, kind of like Duncan Keith, willing to play the game within the game, crossing only the occasional line.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Mar 19 @ 11:01 AM ET
I doubt it too and like a couple players is merely a placeholder.

Bamford had this in BN this am…

Final thought on last night: call your damn timeout at 3-2 and get the kids together and maybe slow Seattle’s momentum. For the love of everything at some point a coach here has to recognize that a young team can occasionally use a reset mid-game when things start to spiral, not after the wheels are off and they’re half-way up the river without a paddle. If the larger point of the rest of this season is development, call the timeout and coach ’em up a little maybe? Get the train back near the tracks?

- HawkintheD


Banford also said he wouldn't be surprised if Sorenson was replaced immediately, but that is utterly useless, who would replace him? King? Would KD pull a Pulford and come down and coach the Hawks himself ?

Everyone who said just play the kids is right IMO. Vlasic, Richardinson stated that moral was at an all time low (I thought trading Jones fixed that). Obviously the vets have tuned Sorenson out. Get the season over with, hire a head coach with NHL experience (sorry David Carle, don't think he is the right hire at this moment) that is allowed to pick his own assistants.
35Tony0
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Springfield, IL
Joined: 05.10.2015

Mar 19 @ 11:16 AM ET
Banford also said he wouldn't be surprised if Sorenson was replaced immediately, but that is utterly useless, who would replace him? King? Would KD pull a Pulford and come down and coach the Hawks himself ?

Everyone who said just play the kids is right IMO. Vlasic, Richardinson stated that moral was at an all time low (I thought trading Jones fixed that). Obviously the vets have tuned Sorenson out. Get the season over with, hire a head coach with NHL experience (sorry David Carle, don't think he is the right hire at this moment) that is allowed to pick his own assistants.

- LAHawk

Having the head coach to choose his own assistants is important, and a good GM will allow this. I think KJD will do so.
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Mar 19 @ 11:20 AM ET
Banford also said he wouldn't be surprised if Sorenson was replaced immediately, but that is utterly useless, who would replace him? King? Would KD pull a Pulford and come down and coach the Hawks himself ?

Everyone who said just play the kids is right IMO. Vlasic, Richardinson stated that moral was at an all time low (I thought trading Jones fixed that). Obviously the vets have tuned Sorenson out. Get the season over with, hire a head coach with NHL experience (sorry David Carle, don't think he is the right hire at this moment) that is allowed to pick his own assistants.

- LAHawk


Take the C away from Foligno for the rest of the year. No one wears the C. Tired of watching him turnover pucks and half a** it.

This is when you find out if the team has an leaders in the locker room. Doesn't appear there are any. This team desperately needs a steadying veteran presence either behind the bench or in the locker room.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Mar 19 @ 11:23 AM ET
Banford also said he wouldn't be surprised if Sorenson was replaced immediately, but that is utterly useless, who would replace him? King? Would KD pull a Pulford and come down and coach the Hawks himself ?

Everyone who said just play the kids is right IMO. Vlasic, Richardinson stated that moral was at an all time low (I thought trading Jones fixed that). Obviously the vets have tuned Sorenson out. Get the season over with, hire a head coach with NHL experience (sorry David Carle, don't think he is the right hire at this moment) that is allowed to pick his own assistants.

- LAHawk


Honestly, I don't know about David Carle or his competence coaching at the NHL level. I will say one thing, while inexperienced at the NHL level, it might be that he relates better to the younger players given his age and his time coaching in Denver.

I just hope we don't end up with one of the crusty old retread coaches.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Mar 19 @ 11:35 AM ET
Honestly, I don't know about David Carle or his competence coaching at the NHL level. I will say one thing, while inexperienced at the NHL level, it might be that he relates better to the younger players given his age and his time coaching in Denver.

I just hope we don't end up with one of the crusty old retread coaches.

- breadbag


What would be your definition of "crusty old retread"?

If available, would you consider Sullivan? Woodcroft? Quinn? Or are you talking more about guys like Boudreau, and Gallant?
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Mar 19 @ 11:59 AM ET
What would be your definition of "crusty old retread"?

If available, would you consider Sullivan? Woodcroft? Quinn? Or are you talking more about guys like Boudreau, and Gallant?

- Chunk


I haven't gone in depth thinking about who or a list of names To me, I hope they avoid guys who are too "old school" and/or have a history of wearing out their welcome with the players.

If we get an experienced coach, I hope it's someone a bit more modern in their methods. I just think the NHL has changed a lot, even since the Hawks success under Q and will keep changing in terms of the coaches/players interactions and expectations. I'm not saying some of the older coaches aren't forward thinking, but I don't want a Babcock type or similar who doesn't seem to be "with the times".
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