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I just don't understand Verbeek bailing out the Rangers.

But then the Rangers couldn't help themselves and throw a sh it ton of money at Igor.

You'd think I was writing Eklund's headlines, the way TROUBA is spelled incorrectly
with transposed letters...

I just don't understand Verbeek bailing out the Rangers.

But then the Rangers couldn't help themselves and throw a sh it ton of money at Igor.
- BetweenTheDots

Just like the Hawks he wants a vet defender for his solid prospect core to learn from.
I wouldn't call a 4th round (late3rd sorta) and an injured defenseman let us call this a bail out.

Just like the Hawks he wants a vet defender for his solid prospect core to learn from.
I wouldn't call a 4th round (late3rd sorta) and an injured defenseman let us call this a bail out.
- wiz1901

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I just don't understand Verbeek bailing out the Rangers.

But then the Rangers couldn't help themselves and throw a sh it ton of money at Igor.
- BetweenTheDots

The Anaheim hockeybuzz reported that Verbeek’s explanation is that the older, experienced Trouba will be a physical presence who can help mentor the young dmen on the team as well Vaackanen (sic) had lost his job to a third new young kid on their blueline. The kids can play smaller roles,and grow and improve Trouba added. Verbeeck also mentioned another reason why the trade works out well for Anaheim, is that the Trouba $8million contract expires in one year so that the team will have the money from that contract to spread out to emerging young players.

The NYR feared some team - Columbus was mentioned - would have claimed Trouba if he went to waivers. They would receive nothing as remuneration

Alll this information from the hockeybuzz story

Powers article with 10 possible coaches for the Hocks

Woodcroft
McLellan
Hakstol(mentioned McIver was with him in Seattle)
Gerard Gallant
Dave Quinn
Jeff Blashill
Don Granato(coached with Q )
Todd Nelson
Jay Leach
Bruce Boudreau

No mention of Cooper,probably because he is Tampa's coach still.
Not sure I'd want Woodcroft,never understood what happened that season with McDavid and the Oilers.

Here's a link to the Chicago forum page on HF Boards.

https://forums.hfboards.c...ms/chicago-blackhawks.30/

Sticky threads at the top followed by normal threads. Note the normal thread titled Jets at Hawks 7 December 2024. A member was kind enough to post some game day information there where it can be commented on once you register.

I haven't registered there yet. Others should check it out and navigate through the site to see if you like it.

Just like the Hawks he wants a vet defender for his solid prospect core to learn from.
I wouldn't call a 4th round (late3rd sorta) and an injured defenseman let us call this a bail out.
- wiz1901

I’m surprised that they didn’t get the Rangers to retain something, maybe 20%. Shesterkin is good, but I would never pay a goalie $11.5M for 8 years. I just hope that KD stays the course to compete for a playoff spot, they’re almost there(a couple of years) and have another top 5 pick this year.

Here's a link to the Chicago forum page on HF Boards.

https://forums.hfboards.c...ms/chicago-blackhawks.30/

Sticky threads at the top followed by normal threads. Note the normal thread titled Jets at Hawks 7 December 2024. A member was kind enough to post some game day information there where it can be commented on once you register.

I haven't registered there yet. Others should check it out and navigate through the site to see if you like it.
- boilermaker100

Cool beans Boiler!
They even have an IceHogs thread with their schedule posted.
Thr Piggies have 4 days off between games from Dec22nd to Dec27th. Hocks will have played 8-9games with Sorensen until then. Maybe Frank gets called up after Christmas?

I’m surprised that they didn’t get the Rangers to retain something, maybe 20%. Shesterkin is good, but I would never pay a goalie $11.5M for 8 years. I just hope that KD stays the course to compete for a playoff spot, they’re almost there(a couple of years) and have another top 5 pick this year.
- Angotti

I agree. Invest in D and find yourself a Crawford. Good to really good goalie that doesn't crap his pants.
My feeling about goalies in the NHL is like running backs in football. Build a line in front of them and a good goalie/running back will look great.


Edit: Hocks Russian Kantserov with 2 more goals today

Cool beans Boiler!
They even have an IceHogs thread with their schedule posted.
Thr Piggies have 4 days off between games from Dec22nd to Dec27th. Hocks will have played 8-9games with Sorensen until then. Maybe Frank gets called up after Christmas?
- captainserious

That site has some potential. Looks like there are separate threads for the IceHogs, Blackhawks game day, propsects, and probably more. Also found threads for specific prospects - Boisvert, Moore, Vanacker, Spellacy, and Lardis

I agree. Invest in D and find yourself a Crawford. Good to really good goalie that doesn't crap his pants.
My feeling about goalies in the NHL is like running backs in football. Build a line in front of them and a good goalie/running back will look great.


Edit: Hocks Russian Kantserov with 2 more goals today
- captainserious

In two years actually could be season after next:
Vieing for a job on the varsity Blackhawks or preparing on the JV squad in Rockford: Kantserov, Lardis, Spellacy, Moore, Greene, 2025 #1

That is six candidates who could be in the top six or top nine forwards. Add Reichel and = 7/12 prospects with offensive capability. A couple other collegiate kids too who are doing very well this season

Bedard with many new linematte possibilities

Does not include Vanacker or Hayes. Not yet anyway

Wouldn’t be surprised if your observation proves to be accurate. I realize that when a player performs with confidance, then we probably see just how good said player actually is. The highest level in hockey (the pinnacle if you will) is to reach the NHL. But once in the NHL the challenge is to thrive and the obstacles to success are many.

Since I really believe that KD feels he has to find a quality linematte (or two) for Bedard and to establish a viable second offensive line, the Blackhawks GM will want to push to see even a glimpse of his prospects performance here
- jhawk59[NHL].

Facing pressure to win and to unleash Bedard’s scoring means major transactional activity on a scale larger than what was accomplished last off season. Which could prove beneficial not only for the obvious winning and Bedard current setback, but could “free up” TT and Bertuzzi to succeed as they will not be the primary offensive production.

Surely KD has some chips he doesn’t want to expose or use just yet, but those chips could be put in play as a show me what you (prospects) can do in limited action. So for this application certain prospects may get a cup of coffee towards the end of this season and or an even longer stay and play next season. You know the prospects in Rockford and acclaimed non pro prospects this encompasses

We know that our prospects will have gained a year in developmental time when training camp opens next fall. I am certain the prospects will get additional scrutiny and games in the exhibition tilt.

What concerns me however is whether a top prospect may be traded. Or a first round selection. I could imagine the Toronto first round and our #1 ‘26 offered up but not a top five ‘25 selection. Something of value has to be “sacrificed” in order to improve the quality of the players who will comprise the roster next season…..what could KD offer outside of our prized current NHL level prospects….. yes our future top young assets being previously drafted and futures (first round draft picks)

Ouch. To those of us who want to build as much as possible through the draft again I say “ouch.”

I do not know whether a free agent will be available or that KD could snatch one or two of them. I wouldn’t count on their addition actually. I would expect KD will do some carving besides the Thanksgiving turkey and it will be significant appetite to appease

There really isn’t any other way. I will not suggest names or trades; someone else can conjure up the particulars

"What do you take me for a conjurer of cheap tricks?"

Keep in mind these names aren't coming up because I dislike the player. They're coming up because it's the reality of the situation and you have to give to get.

Anyway - I think for a Zegras or Norris it's quantity over quality because they are damaged goods at this point. So like 2 seconds a 4th and Isaac Philips or Phil Kurashev or the other Dach and done. Anything past that they can get (frank)ed. If they want that late Toronto pick thats fine but then it's just two picks not three. I also think they need to get Nazar into the NHL so they can figure out if he is actually a center so if either of those players are available they can make an informed decision not just get a guy to get a guy and have 5-8 million tied up at 3C next year.

For a player like Miko or Brady - different packages depend on particular prospects but the only players not in that discussion are Bedard and Levshunov. I don't think either are likely to be available but those are the two I'd throw the kitchen sink at. I have a vintage sink that statement still applies to. It's 5 ft long.

For Ehlers a sign and trade that includes a third a fifth and someone like Reichel OR Korchinski I think you could live with. If you can't live without Reichel it's probably Moore.

Marner I think would go somewhere between the two. I think a true power forward has more value BUT he's a hell of a hockey player regardless of what some people here think. But if he's pissed enough at Toronto and fed up with their media then he'll walk and all you need to do is give him a big ass pile of money then just pay him BUT that is predicated on trading for another player at the TDL this year so they can say "hey we're super committed to not sucking next year and did something other than hit the dvd bin at Walmart".

Tage Thompson would be another player who could be sacrificed similar to someone in Ottawa because I think he's getting fed up in Buffalo not dissimilar to Jack Eichel and would fill a need for the Hawks. The Hawks also have cost or RFA controlled assets that couldn't escape there immediately which would appeal to their GM who said publicly that it's not a destination, lol.

I don't think Bedard will be a disappointment. I think Bedard will become a really really good player. But not generational and not "the guy". That is why I would sign or trade for a someone who will be "the guy" like Rantanen.
- Ztra

I'm kinda curious where that comes from.

They did a ppg analysis of the "generational" players. Included Matthews, Patrick Kane, and a few others.

Bedard was like third on that list. I don't have the tweet or whatever in front of me but I think the only two ahead of him were Crosby and Kane.

Everyone else on the list had a very nice supporting cast. For example, Patrick Kane had, Toews, Sharp, Havlat\Hossa, Keith, Seabrook (there's 4 HoF players right there). Crosby had Malkin and Staal and other veterans that were discussed earlier (corpse of Reechi > captain talks a lot). Matthews obviously had Marner and Nylander.

Bedard has (frank)ing no one. Lukas Reichel at this point is no one. Other teams are game planning against him and he's still producing at a fairly reasonable pace for the second youngest player in the NHL on a last place team that can't (frank)ing score.

I can promise you that if Kyle were to have a dangerous 2C (hi Frank Nazar) and another very good forward and get rid of the black holes that are Phil Kurashev and Taylor Hall - Bedard goes on a major heater and people who have this opinion start to feel really silly they ever thought it.

Hawks play at 3:00 today.

"What do you take me for a conjurer of cheap tricks?"

Keep in mind these names aren't coming up because I dislike the player. They're coming up because it's the reality of the situation and you have to give to get.

Anyway - I think for a Zegras or Norris it's quantity over quality because they are damaged goods at this point. So like 2 seconds a 4th and Isaac Philips or Phil Kurashev or the other Dach and done. Anything past that they can get (frank)ed. If they want that late Toronto pick thats fine but then it's just two picks not three. I also think they need to get Nazar into the NHL so they can figure out if he is actually a center so if either of those players are available they can make an informed decision not just get a guy to get a guy and have 5-8 million tied up at 3C next year.

For a player like Miko or Brady - different packages depend on particular prospects but the only players not in that discussion are Bedard and Levshunov. I don't think either are likely to be available but those are the two I'd throw the kitchen sink at. I have a vintage sink that statement still applies to. It's 5 ft long.

For Ehlers a sign and trade that includes a third a fifth and someone like Reichel OR Korchinski I think you could live with. If you can't live without Reichel it's probably Moore.

Marner I think would go somewhere between the two. I think a true power forward has more value BUT he's a hell of a hockey player regardless of what some people here think. But if he's pissed enough at Toronto and fed up with their media then he'll walk and all you need to do is give him a big ass pile of money then just pay him BUT that is predicated on trading for another player at the TDL this year so they can say "hey we're super committed to not sucking next year and did something other than hit the dvd bin at Walmart".

Tage Thompson would be another player who could be sacrificed similar to someone in Ottawa because I think he's getting fed up in Buffalo not dissimilar to Jack Eichel and would fill a need for the Hawks. The Hawks also have cost or RFA controlled assets that couldn't escape there immediately which would appeal to their GM who said publicly that it's not a destination, lol.
- fattybeef

Taking injury prone players like Zegras, Norris and Pinto is stupid.

I haven’t read anyone criticizing Marner except that he’s very soft in the playoffs.

Taking injury prone players like Zegras, Norris and Pinto is stupid.

I haven’t read anyone criticizing Marner except that he’s very soft in the playoffs.
- paulr

GMing ain't easy. It's hard for a GM to pass on talented players like Zegras, Norris or Pinto types if presented with a fair offer.

I'm neutral on most possibilities but as we all know it's tough to pry up and coming players who are profiling as top 6 types unless they have "questions" of some significance.

And I think all of us as Hawk fans know managing the salary cap is about as important as getting the right players. All it takes is a couple anchor contracts and you're severely hamstrung.

Guys without questions who are young and profile as top 6 talent you gotta pay up for. I'd rather see even an over pay for a guy who's a fine fit and no injury concerns and pay well for him instead of paying to get rid of a bad acquisition 3 yrs down the road. Or target players who their organIzation doesn't see as a top 6 but you do ..... I think that's when proper evaluation of your own NHLers and prospects is crucial.

The new coach, Sorensen, certainly is familiar with all the kids on defense. He has his opinion who he would prefer to dress and who to press box or play instead in Rockford

But KD has as agenda and he wants to see all the top prospects on defense even for a cup of coffee in the NHL. So you would guess that is his thinking, his preference

So it is going to be interesting what kids get an opportunity here in the NHL and when

I wish to see Allen in the lineup regularly. I have no problem if Crevier gets an extended look. But both here means one probably sits and one plays even game to game basis

Truthfully I believe KD would like two of the kids in the lineup but if winning is precedent then either one or no kids in the lineup may prevail. Even after the trade deadline it is an “iffy” propsition for the inclusion one too many kids in the lineup

Maybe with injuries inherent throughout the season a prospect draws in and plays well enough to remain in the lineup once an injured player has returned to healthy status

We shall see how the dmen usage plays out. I have no idea who sits and who plays other than a preference for veterans inclusion is likely

GMing ain't easy. It's hard for a GM to pass on talented players like Zegras, Norris or Pinto types if presented with a fair offer.

I'm neutral on most possibilities but as we all know it's tough to pry up and coming players who are profiling as top 6 types unless they have "questions" of some significance.

And I think all of us as Hawk fans know managing the salary cap is about as important as getting the right players. All it takes is a couple anchor contracts and you're severely hamstrung.

Guys without questions who are young and profile as top 6 talent you gotta pay up for. I'd rather see even an over pay for a guy who's a fine fit and no injury concerns and pay well for him instead of paying to get rid of a bad acquisition 3 yrs down the road. Or target players who their organIzation doesn't see as a top 6 but you do ..... I think that's when proper evaluation of your own NHLers and prospects is crucial.
- Mr Ricochet

And a GM makes his job even harder by taking on a huge risk. Not only is Zegras a huge risk health wise his production is terrible based on his contract. People complain Jones isn’t worth his contract, Zegras may be worse as he brings nothing if he isn’t putting up points. Of the three only Pinto’s contract isn’t terrible.

Just like the Hawks he wants a vet defender for his solid prospect core to learn from.
I wouldn't call a 4th round (late3rd sorta) and an injured defenseman let us call this a bail out.
- wiz1901

I think Verbeek is in over his head, I'm guessing he hasn't watched Trouba play for a while like some of the posters here.

Michkov beats Swayman on the PP, the rookies 10th of the season.

I think Verbeek is in over his head, I'm guessing he hasn't watched Trouba play for a while like some of the posters here.
- BetweenTheDots

Trouba is not a first pairing anymore but I think you might overrate how many top pairing Dmen there actually are, Dots. That's why passing on a Levshunov is nearly impossible for any GM....... He can help most any NHL club but not being a top pairing anymore his salary is the problem, like Jones. In many ways like Jones but even so these types are useful even if they're slotted too high.

Trouba is not a first pairing anymore but I think you might overrate how many top pairing Dmen there actually are, Dots. That's why passing on a Levshunov is nearly impossible for any GM....... He can help most any NHL club but not being a top pairing anymore his salary is the problem, like Jones. In many ways like Jones but even so these types are useful even if they're slotted too high.
- Mr Ricochet

I've seen a couple of Rangers games this year, he is just like Skjei, they didn't lose one step they've lost 2 steps. I bet Trouba is slower than Murphy and that's really saying something.

And thinking about Trotz giving that contract to Skjei makes me smile

Michkov smartly gets to the back door crease, gets fed, beats Swayman again. Michkov 2 BOS nuttin......... BOS is the heaviest club in the league averaging 209lbs per player.