Look at the opponent (he has played well overall prior). A bad team. Similar to getting all gaga over Andrae and the Sharks game

Sabres really are a disgrace. Remember when Pegula purchased them. We will be the top organization. We will win cups. We will spend even if I need drill another well. He is a terrible owner and the main problem. Him and piss poor management.
- furio16

I LITERALLY state this in my post.

Does a team want to waste their newfound cap space on players like Risto?
- furio16

Well, I would assume there is a market for big RHD Dmen who can skate, especially with cap increasing significantly. Luke Schenn is still playing in the league at age 35, he was never been mobile. Granted, his cap hit is $2.7 million. So, yes with a CBA extension there will be a market for Risto. Probably not a 1st unless taking back a bad contract- best case scenerio.

If he is a top4 dman like you claim why would the Flyers want to trade him? I mean under contract for 2.5 years at 5 million per is a steal for a top 4 RHD. Flyers have no one in the system ready to step into a top 4 role this year or next.

- furio16

This is a simple answer. He isnt part of our future. Thjere are many reasons to move him

1) Flyers want out of the contract
2) Flyers want to make room for Andrae
3) Risto is not likely a top 4 D on this team when the Dcore is healthy. He isnt bumping Seeler or Dysdale.
4) Maybe they dont believe he is a top 4 and they want to move him before the clock strikes 12 and he turns back into a pumpkin
5) Risto is in his 30s now and we are not going to be contenders for some time if at all. It is better for the player to be sent somewhere with a chance to win. Theres enough Vet presence on D with Sanheim, Seeler and EJ

That is a Helge of a development.

Does anyone know how Hunter MacDonald is playing?
- MBFlyerfan

Leads the team in penalty minutes

https://x.com/NHLFlyers/s...Rvt1G5ejyHwcbSYbk1TA&s=19

I find it interesting Andrae is out with a "mid body injury". Let the speculation begin on what that means or how long before he returns.

Well, I would assume there is a market for big RHD Dmen who can skate, especially with cap increasing significantly. Luke Schenn is still playing in the league at age 35, he was never been mobile. Granted, his cap hit is $2.7 million. So, yes with a CBA extension there will be a market for Risto. Probably not a 1st unless taking back a bad contract- best case scenerio.
- Trox88

Schenn has always been a better defender than Risto. He is paid accordingly. So that matters. Nothing wrong with his mobility. Never has been.

Smart organizations will not waste their cap on players like Risto. They will go for bigger fish. They are more likely to overpay for a top 6/top 4 than a Risto. Why overpay for bottom roster types? One day the Flyers will realize this you hope.

Risto has no track record of playing in meaningful games, let alone zero playoff games. Been on losing teams his entire career. Do you think contending team look at those factors at all?

I LITERALLY state this in my post.
- MBFlyerfan

All you said was it was against his old team.

https://x.com/NHLFlyers/status/1858525639222939981?t=e2Rvt1G5ejyHwcbSYbk1TA&s=19

I find it interesting Andrae is out with a "mid body injury". Let the speculation begin on what that means or how long before he returns.
- Trox88

What is there so speculate? He is out and they called up Grans.

Schenn has always been a better defender than Risto. He is paid accordingly. So that matters. Nothing wrong with his mobility. Never has been.

Smart organizations will not waste their cap on players like Risto. They will go for bigger fish. They are more likely to overpay for a top 6/top 4 than a Risto. Why overpay for bottom roster types? One day the Flyers will realize this you hope.

Risto has no track record of playing in meaningful games, let alone zero playoff games. Been on losing teams his entire career. Do you think contending team look at those factors at all?
- furio16

I guess we'll just have to wait if there is another GM who can think like Chuck Fletcher.

Btw, Kolosov in goal tonight.

This is a simple answer. He isnt part of our future. Thjere are many reasons to move him

1) Flyers want out of the contract
2) Flyers want to make room for Andrae
3) Risto is not likely a top 4 D on this team when the Dcore is healthy. He isnt bumping Seeler or Dysdale.
4) Maybe they dont believe he is a top 4 and they want to move him before the clock strikes 12 and he turns back into a pumpkin
5) Risto is in his 30s now and we are not going to be contenders for some time if at all. It is better for the player to be sent somewhere with a chance to win. Theres enough Vet presence on D with Sanheim, Seeler and EJ
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

1. There hasn't been any real concrete proof of this.
2. Andras plays the left. Risto the right. Risto has nothing to do with Andre being in the lineup.
3. Ok, then don't you think other teams who are smarter than you also see this? He is a top 4 on this team sadly. Seeler and JD are bottom end guys.
4. Yeah sure. Other teams don't have the book on Risto. Flyers brain trust will fool them.
5. Yes it is better if there is a market. Which I do not think there is unless 50% retention or same type contact coming back.

One thing you're not taking into account is this is the Flyers. They value and love players like Risto. They operate much differently than the top organizations. Hence why the Laughton's of the world are still here. Speaking of which he has played here for 12 years. Has any bottom of the lineup player ever been here that long?

I find it interesting Andrae is out with a "mid body injury". Let the speculation begin on what that means or how long before he returns.
- Trox88

Sounds like code for a core injury. It’s the Flyers so after he sits for a while he’ll go back into the lineup and play through the injury. It’ll affect his skating for the rest of the season. He won’t have any strength pushing off and he’ll be a shadow of his former self. He’ll have core surgery over the summer and be declared fully healthy, and better than ever, at the start of the following season. He’ll have a setback in camp and will sit for a while. He’ll make it back into the lineup, but still won’t look any good for the rest of that season. The following season he should be good to go.

What is there so speculate? He is out and they called up Grans.
- WhiskeyMan

"Mid body" injury is what caught my eye. Not a designation used very often- pretty much lower or upper body. According to ASF, team is waiting for a medical report to determine how long Andrae will be out. Maybe just some PTSD involving players in the past getting injured.

"Mid body" injury is what caught my eye. Not a designation used very often- pretty much lower or upper body. According to ASF, team is waiting for a medical report to determine how long Andrae will be out. Maybe just some PTSD involving players in the past getting injured.
- Trox88

Oh okay, i thought maybe you meant a trade speculation I don't trust anything this teams says when it comes to injuries. Drysdale was may gonna be out a couple of games but next you thing you know he is on IR.

If he is a top4 dman like you claim why would the Flyers want to trade him? I mean under contract for 2.5 years at 5 million per is a steal for a top 4 RHD. Flyers have no one in the system ready to step into a top 4 role this year or next.
- furio16

The move isn’t to trade Ristolainen. That’s basic GMing. If he is now a top 4 dman, they should keep him and trade Bonk instead. Bonk can get the Flyers someone good. Ristolainen may get a late first at best with salary retention. Then the Flyers can draft a Bonk replacement this year if they didn’t already with Gill.

The move isn’t to trade Ristolainen. That’s basic GMing. If he is now a top 4 dman, they should keep him and trade Bonk instead. Bonk can get the Flyers someone good. Ristolainen may get a late first at best with salary retention. Then the Flyers can draft a Bonk replacement this year if they didn’t already with Gill.
- psuhockey

Not opposed to trading anyone. What does Bonk get you? Are you kicking the can down the road if you get back another 1st? Are you looking for a young guy who can step in now and part of the future? What would the plan be?

I have no idea what his trade vale would even be.

1. There hasn't been any real concrete proof of this.
2. Andras plays the left. Risto the right. Risto has nothing to do with Andre being in the lineup.
3. Ok, then don't you think other teams who are smarter than you also see this? He is a top 4 on this team sadly. Seeler and JD are bottom end guys.
4. Yeah sure. Other teams don't have the book on Risto. Flyers brain trust will fool them.
5. Yes it is better if there is a market. Which I do not think there is unless 50% retention or same type contact coming back.

One thing you're not taking into account is this is the Flyers. They value and love players like Risto. They operate much differently than the top organizations. Hence why the Laughton's of the world are still here. Speaking of which he has played here for 12 years. Has any bottom of the lineup player ever been here that long?
- furio16

So no other team makes bad signings on a player based on a productive year? Dmen get overpaid every year.

Andrae being a LD doesnt matter. Not every pair needs to have a LD and a RD. Many teams use LD in the RD position. It isnt a huge deal especially down the lineup. It also doesnt matter because Andrae, Zamula, Seeler can all play RD and have at some poiunt in their career.

What you think of Seeler and Drysdale doesnt matter either. They are top 4 guys on this team end of story.

Not opposed to trading anyone. What does Bonk get you? Are you kicking the can down the road if you get back another 1st? Are you looking for a young guy who can step in now and part of the future? What would the plan be?

I have no idea what his trade vale would even be.
- furio16

I would be someone further along in their development. I don’t know who’s available but someone like Zegras, Helenius or Lambert who could step into an impact 2C role soon. I would even consider it for Jiricek if they could then move Ristolainen too.

Bonk because of his powerplay numbers and his likely role as first pair right handed dman in the world juniors is going to be way overvalued more than his likely NHL role.

So no other team makes bad signings on a player based on a productive year? Dmen get overpaid every year.

Andrae being a LD doesnt matter. Not every pair needs to have a LD and a RD. Many teams use LD in the RD position. It isnt a huge deal especially down the lineup. It also doesnt matter because Andrae, Zamula, Seeler can all play RD and have at some poiunt in their career.

What you think of Seeler and Drysdale doesnt matter either. They are top 4 guys on this team end of story.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

What other teams do does not matter as we are discussing the Flyers are we not?

Handedness and position do matter. Not every dman can play their offside. To think otherwise is foolish.

Risto plays almost 4 minutes more per night than Seeler. Same as JD only because Flyers have to try to prop JD up and so far he has been bad. End of story.

What is there so speculate? He is out and they called up Grans.
- WhiskeyMan

The speculation is around the "mid-body" description.

Has "end of story" replaced the period at the end of the sentence on here? End of story

With Drysdale, I have no idea if he gets better or stays at his current trajectory. I do know there have been Dmen who have taken unique routes before becoming established regular Dmen in the NHL. IIRC, Mark Streit was playing 4th line wing while playing at the point on the PP in MTL. In SJ, Brett Burns was moved to wing. Duncan Keith played 2 full seasons in the AHL and 1st year in the NHL was okay. No I do not expect Drysdale to be moved to wing anytime soon. My basic point it is not out of the relm of possibilities he figures it out (certainly odds against it)- no matter far fetched that possibility seems at the moment. We'll have to wait and see how it plays out.

Looks like Grans will make his NHL debut tonight.
- Trox88

I remember him looking good in preseason this year or last

With Drysdale, I have no idea if he gets better or stays at his current trajectory. I do know there have been Dmen who have taken unique routes before becoming established regular Dmen in the NHL. IIRC, Mark Streit was playing 4th line wing while playing at the point on the PP in MTL. In SJ, Brett Burns was moved to wing. Duncan Keith played 2 full seasons in the AHL and 1st year in the NHL was okay. No I do not expect Drysdale to be moved to wing anytime soon. My basic point it is not out of the relm of possibilities he figures it out (certainly odds against it)- no matter far fetched that possibility seems at the moment. We'll have to wait and see how it plays out.
- Trox88

The Flyers need the hedge their bets in case he flops. I would love for them to take a chance of Jiricek but I doubt Columbus would trade him within the division. Best bet is to load up on defensemen in this upcoming draft.

With Drysdale, I have no idea if he gets better or stays at his current trajectory. I do know there have been Dmen who have taken unique routes before becoming established regular Dmen in the NHL. IIRC, Mark Streit was playing 4th line wing while playing at the point on the PP in MTL. In SJ, Brett Burns was moved to wing. Duncan Keith played 2 full seasons in the AHL and 1st year in the NHL was okay. No I do not expect Drysdale to be moved to wing anytime soon. My basic point it is not out of the relm of possibilities he figures it out (certainly odds against it)- no matter far fetched that possibility seems at the moment. We'll have to wait and see how it plays out.
- Trox88

The fact that folks are writing off JD so early is wild. Give him some time

The fact that folks are writing off JD so early is wild. Give him some time
- black_francis

The problem with Drysdale is that we aren’t even seeing flashes. I am not writing him off. Hopefully it’s just because he is overthinking but outside of just skating I don’t see anything from him yet; ie passing shooting decision making. I have seen more flashes from Andrae.