God riddance! He lied in his interview and said that he NEVER traded a 1st round pick in his tenure with the Habs. What did we give up for Dvorak? And he claims that he left the new regime in great shape for their rebuild.....
- Snots33_77

Caufield, Suzuki, Guhle... it isn't as horrendous as people are making it to be.

God riddance! He lied in his interview and said that he NEVER traded a 1st round pick in his tenure with the Habs. What did we give up for Dvorak? And he claims that he left the new regime in great shape for their rebuild.....
- Snots33_77

guess he meant the habs 1st pick ?

guess he meant the habs 1st pick ?
- Xizord

looking back... too bad he didn't trade any

Caufield, Suzuki, Guhle... it isn't as horrendous as people are making it to be.
- Pat1993

There was some talent, just no depth of talent of pool/prospects, no development program, no extra picks, bad cap management/contracts.

i had to keep saying to myself "john, you can't play any of these!"

i guess a 4th would be overkill for a guy who just likes to look at them.
- kicksave856

Sounds like me and boobies.....

Caufield, Suzuki, Guhle... it isn't as horrendous as people are making it to be.
- Pat1993

Not horrendous. But not necessarily ideal.

I think MB was set up better to take over when he did.

Caufield, Suzuki, Guhle... it isn't as horrendous as people are making it to be.
- Pat1993

He wasn't all bad.

He did acquire some picks and drafted a little better at the end of his tenure. The Pacioretty for Suzuki trade was also a great thing moving forward.

But I still think his good moves were almost always overshadowed by the massive mistakes he made at important moments. He ended up doing more bad things than good ones.

guess he meant the habs 1st pick ?
- Xizord

Probably as that one was from the Canes in the KK deal.

There was some talent, just no depth of talent of pool/prospects, no development program, no extra picks, bad cap management/contracts.
- Mashadar

well given that they were in "all-in" mode for the cup it's kind of normal he didn't leave behind an interesting prospect pool or a ton of picks, but yeah I agree Hughes and Gorton were left with bad contracts to handle. my point is they were still able to add to key players they could keep, and didn't start from scratch.

Not horrendous. But not necessarily ideal.

I think MB was set up better to take over when he did.
- Snots33_77

He inherited a 3rd overall pick and a young core of Price, Pacioretty, Subban, Markov, Plekanec.

For all the justified hate Gauthier/Gainey received, they did leave him with something decent to build around quickly.

He wasn't all bad.

He did acquire some picks and drafted a little better at the end of his tenure. The Pacioretty for Suzuki trade was also a great thing moving forward.

But I still think his good moves were almost always overshadowed by the massive mistakes he made at important moments. He ended up doing more bad things than good ones.
- Scabeh

Let's keep in mind that MB fluked his way to that as he wanted Glass instead. Suzuki was the consolation prize. Of course he wanted the guy that didn't turn out to be decent. That's his MO.

He wasn't all bad.

He did acquire some picks and drafted a little better at the end of his tenure. The Pacioretty for Suzuki trade was also a great thing moving forward.

But I still think his good moves were almost always overshadowed by the massive mistakes he made at important moments. He ended up doing more bad things than good ones.
- Scabeh

yeah, he kinda ruined things during the last few years, perhaps his tenure should've been shortened lol

He inherited a 3rd overall pick and a young core of Price, Pacioretty, Subban, Markov, Plekanec.

For all the justified hate Gauthier/Gainey received, they did leave him with something decent to build around quickly.
- Scabeh

Let's keep in mind that MB fluked his way to that as he wanted Glass instead. Suzuki was the consolation prize. Of course he wanted the guy that didn't turn out to be decent. That's his MO.
- Snots33_77

I don't find that's really an argument against him, he still pulled the trigger on that trade, he could've decided to be firm on wanting Glass and moved on entirely.

yeah, he kinda ruined things during the last few years, perhaps his tenure should've been shortened lol
- Pat1993

I think he was just plain tired, burnt-out and miserable. I bet his mental health was taking a poop-kicking over the years and then COVID as a cherry on top.

looking back... too bad he didn't trade any
- fidopro

WTF you talkking about, Sergachev was a great pick !

I don't find that's really an argument against him, he still pulled the trigger on that trade, he could've decided to be firm on wanting Glass and moved on entirely.
- Pat1993

Fair enough. Never thought of it that way.

WTF you talkking about, Sergachev was a great pick !
- Xizord

That was the trade that sent me over the edge. I was SO excited we drafted him then BOOM!! GONE!!

I'll never forgive him for that miserable trade only to bring in the token french player with a bad attitude and force him to play centre

I think he was just plain tired, burnt-out and miserable. I bet his mental health was taking a poop-kicking over the years and then COVID as a cherry on top.
- Snots33_77

yeah, he was there for what, almost 10 years? that's a long (frank)ing time in MTL lol

Let's keep in mind that MB fluked his way to that as he wanted Glass instead. Suzuki was the consolation prize. Of course he wanted the guy that didn't turn out to be decent. That's his MO.
- Snots33_77

I know you're right, but I don't think you can judge a trade on "what it could have been if the other team wasn't dumb". You judge it on the trade that did happen.

If the Rangers pick Plekanec for Kovalev instead of Josef Balej, we wouldn't be talking about Bob Gainey's best trade.

I know you're right, but I don't think you can judge a trade on "what it could have been if the other team wasn't dumb". You judge it on the trade that did happen.

If the Rangers pick Plekanec for Kovalev instead of Josef Balej, we wouldn't be talking about Bob Gainey's best trade.
- Scabeh

tabarnak, I had to google that one...

I know you're right, but I don't think you can judge a trade on "what it could have been if the other team wasn't dumb". You judge it on the trade that did happen.

If the Rangers pick Plekanec for Kovalev instead of Josef Balej, we wouldn't be talking about Bob Gainey's best trade.
- Scabeh

Said NO women EVER to me!!!

And you're absolutely correct. It's like basing suspensions on intent.

yeah, he was there for what, almost 10 years? that's a long (frank)ing time in MTL lol
- Pat1993

I could not imagine that amount of pressure for that long.



















That's what she said...........

I could not imagine that amount of pressure for that long.



















That's what she said...........
- Snots33_77

- Pat1993

Instead of Eberflus - she's Uber-Loose!!