Seems more that the Miller/Pettersson rift is just stressing out the locker room. They may be "listening" on both but ultimately not planning on moving both. I think it's more of just the issue between the two players than anything else. Acquire the talent and deal with the rest later. Winning cures all issues.
- eichiefs9

I'm just not sure if the Islanders are in a position to make a big trade like this right now. Is Pettersson really a difference maker?

I'm just not sure if the Islanders are in a position to make a big trade like this right now. Is Pettersson really a difference maker?
- ses111

I mean he's been over a PPG the last three seasons, he'd instantly become the Islanders best forward. He had 102pts two seasons ago.

I have taken to streaming Fubo, too. Was the game on Fubo last night? I didn't find it quickly, and didn't care enough to do a diligent search.
- JohnScammo

No it was a Hulu/espn+ game. Saw it in my listings.

I'm just not sure if the Islanders are in a position to make a big trade like this right now. Is Pettersson really a difference maker?
- ses111

The Islanders have a 5 year window with the following current players Barzal; Duclair; Holstrom; Horvat; MacLean; Tsyplakov: Dobson; George; Romanov and Sorokin.

Anyone not on this list and is on the current roster needs to be moved.

If you move any of the players listed above, you're doing a complete rebuild and you are now looking at building around Nelson and Eiserman. Then you keep Brock and Palms and sell Barzal, Duc, Dober, and Sorokin for the highest returns.

Go after Hagens.

The Islanders have a 5 year window with the following current players Barzal; Duclair; Holstrom; Horvat; MacLean; Tsyplakov: Dobson; George; Romanov and Sorokin.

Anyone not on this list and is on the current roster needs to be moved.

If you move any of the players listed above, you're doing a complete rebuild and you are now looking at building around Nelson and Eiserman. Then you keep Brock and Palms and sell Barzal, Duc, Dober, and Sorokin for the highest returns.

Go after Hagens.
- Nfdbulldawg

So if we move Maclean we’re doing a complete rebuild. I don’t put that kind of value in that kid. Not even a little. Don’t understand the logic of moving Barzal. Brock and Palms should absolutely be moved. If there are interested teams the sooner the better to maximize the value.

So if we move Maclean we’re doing a complete rebuild. I don’t put that kind of value in that kid. Not even a little. Don’t understand the logic of moving Barzal. Brock and Palms should absolutely be moved. If there are interested teams the sooner the better to maximize the value.
- Cptmjl

Okay now your splitting hairs, but it is okay as I will bite. What I was outlining was a core group of the current team in a specific age group. This group would fit a five-year window.

Why would I move Barzal? That is easy. What have they won with him for starters? He is worth more to a rebuild as the sum of his parts would far outweigh his whole. He at the worst brings a young player, prospect and 1 pick. It is similar to your Horvat Trade argument.

Okay now your splitting hairs, but it is okay as I will bite. What I was outlining was a core group of the current team in a specific age group. This group would fit a five-year window.

Why would I move Barzal? That is easy. What have they won with him for starters? He is worth more to a rebuild as the sum of his parts would far outweigh his whole. He at the worst brings a young player, prospect and 1 pick. It is similar to your Horvat Trade argument.
- Nfdbulldawg

I don’t feel I’m splitting hairs at all. I’ll take it a step further. I’ll pull Holmstrom, Tsyplakov, Duclair, and add them to the list along with Maclean and that doesn’t constitute as a reason to have a full rebuild imo. None of these players are impactful(and I like Tdyplakov but who knows what he turns into).

This team needs a rebuild no matter which way you look at it but none of the after-mentioned players going would be the reason for it to happen. Barzal is still young enough where he could come out the back end of a rebuild and be a part of a resurgence. Palmieri and Nelson on the other hand are not. That’s why I’m confused with your post. Those two should be the first out the door to get legit assets to start said rebuild.

My Horvat trade argument is not really an argument at all. Are we disputing that trade should’ve happened? We weren’t one Hirvat away from being a contender. What exactly does Horvat do for this team? We should’ve been holding onto assets instead of trading them which is my point. Not sure why anyone is having a hard time understanding that. Seems kind of plain as day in the teams current state. I understand your point of bringing it up was comparing the return I’m just not sure Barzal is the right player to part with. If anything him leaving is what leads to a FULL rebuild.

Nelson on the top line at practice. Maybe they are showcasing him?

The other hysterical aspect of the Horvat trade “debate” is we are right up against the cap when Varlamov comes off IR. We are a bottom dwelling team that literally over achieved last season squeaking into the playoffs only to get torched by the Canes. There’s not a better example of poor asset management than that. Also, not a more clearer example that the Horvat trade was mind numbingly stupid not only then but right at this very moment. Its undeniable.

Btw, this isn’t directed at you nfd it’s just that the topic was bought up. It’s hysterical how anyone would think this a debatable thing.

Nelson on the top line at practice. Maybe they are showcasing him?
- kindlyrick

Not sure if that’s the reasoning but I’m certain Lou is looking to trade both him and Palmieri. I hope he doesn’t (frank) it up.

I don’t feel I’m splitting hairs at all. I’ll take it a step further. I’ll pull Holmstrom, Tsyplakov, Duclair, and add them to the list along with Maclean and that doesn’t constitute as a reason to have a full rebuild imo. None of these players are impactful(and I like Tdyplakov but who knows what he turns into).

This team needs a rebuild no matter which way you look at it but none of the after-mentioned players going would be the reason for it to happen. Barzal is still young enough where he could come out the back end of a rebuild and be a part of a resurgence. Palmieri and Nelson on the other hand are not. That’s why I’m confused with your post. Those two should be the first out the door to get legit assets to start said rebuild.

My Horvat trade argument is not really an argument at all. Are we disputing that trade should’ve happened? We weren’t one Hirvat away from being a contender. What exactly does Horvat do for this team? We should’ve been holding onto assets instead of trading them which is my point. Not sure why anyone is having a hard time understanding that. Seems kind of plain as day in the teams current state. I understand your point of bringing it up was comparing the return I’m just not sure Barzal is the right player to part with. If anything him leaving is what leads to a FULL rebuild.
- Cptmjl

I would not put the blame on Barzal for the team not winning. Especially when Barzal has not been surrounded with a lot of talent and Barzal has been the few players to show anything during the playoffs. This team needs a meaningful rebuild, but I would not be looking to move Barzal.

The other hysterical aspect of the Horvat trade “debate” is we are right up against the cap when Varlamov comes off IR. We are a bottom dwelling team that literally over achieved last season squeaking into the playoffs only to get torched by the Canes. There’s not a better example of poor asset management than that. Also, not a more clearer example that the Horvat trade was mind numbingly stupid not only then but right at this very moment. Its undeniable.

Btw, this isn’t directed at you nfd it’s just that the topic was bought up. It’s hysterical how anyone would think this a debatable thing.
- Cptmjl

Maybe Bo did not cost a lot in terms of assets, but he certainly costs a lot in terms of Cap room and like Nelson, he can streaky. I stand by thinking it was better long term not making the deal.

Maybe Bo did not cost a lot in terms of assets, but he certainly costs a lot in terms of Cap room and like Nelson, he can streaky. I stand by thinking it was better long term not making the deal.
- ses111

Beau was useless wasn’t sad to see him go. Never understood the love affair Islander fans had with him. We weren’t in a position to give up a prospect and a first at the time and we aren’t now. It was a pointless trade. The entire point of a trade is to improve the team to compete for a championship. Neither happened. So we gave up cap space and traded assets just because. Knew it at the time.

Beau was useless wasn’t sad to see him go. Never understood the love affair Islander fans had with him. We weren’t in a position to give up a prospect and a first at the time and we aren’t now. It was a pointless trade. The entire point of a trade is to improve the team to compete for a championship. Neither happened. So we gave up cap space and traded assets just because. Knew it at the time.
- Cptmjl

Even Lou hated giving Bo that contract. It was not the right player and right position.

Even Lou hated giving Bo that contract. It was not the right player and right position.
- ses111

Nothing wrong with Horvat. I think he’s a good player. Someone would’ve paid him something similar. The problem is a team that should be rebuilding should not be trading for Bo Horvat. Lou still had “confidence in this group”(along with some fans). 😆

Nothing wrong with Horvat. I think he’s a good player. Someone would’ve paid him something similar. The problem is a team that should be rebuilding should not be trading for Bo Horvat. Lou still had “confidence in this group”(along with some fans). 😆
- Cptmjl

Bo is a good player, but not worth the money for the Islanders. Lou was under pressure not to miss the playoffs again and had to make a move.

I would not put the blame on Barzal for the team not winning. Especially when Barzal has not been surrounded with a lot of talent and Barzal has been the few players to show anything during the playoffs. This team needs a meaningful rebuild, but I would not be looking to move Barzal.
- ses111

Only a few months ago people were saying Anthony Duclair made this team competitive. Anthony freaking Duclair. The difference maker.

Only a few months ago people were saying Anthony Duclair made this team competitive. Anthony freaking Duclair. The difference maker.
- Cptmjl

Barzal like JT will be wasted on this team. Duclair bouncing around so much tells you something.

Even Lou hated giving Bo that contract. It was not the right player and right position.
- ses111

Horvat will bring back more than Raty, Beau and a late 1st rounder if Lou decides to trade him.
He well worth the contract. 1st line 2 way center. Plays all situations and is good in the dot. True first line centers don’t grow on trees.
That said I don’t think he will be traded when the Islanders retool. I would think he will be the next Captain.
He’s a hell of and asset to have on any team and any team would love to have him. Again he would bring back more than what Lou traded for him especially looking at Raty and Beau.
The timing BS is just another way of some not saying they were wrong and Lou was. Which in some fans eyes he always was and always will be. On the team being up against the cap. There isn’t a team that was or is competitive that’s not up against the cap.
Internet hockey is so easy!

Not sure if that’s the reasoning but I’m certain Lou is looking to trade both him and Palmieri. I hope he doesn’t (frank) it up.
- Cptmjl

I'm not.

I would not put the blame on Barzal for the team not winning. Especially when Barzal has not been surrounded with a lot of talent and Barzal has been the few players to show anything during the playoffs. This team needs a meaningful rebuild, but I would not be looking to move Barzal.
- ses111

It all depends on the return. As they say even Gretzky was traded.

If (and it's a big if) they want to go full rebuild then they have to entertain all offers. That said I don't think they will go for a full rebuild.

I'm not.
- JimmyP

I understand why you would think that. I normally would but I have my reasons.

Keep the stupid posts coming defending the indefensible. Love it. 😆

I understand why you would think that. I normally would but I have my reasons.
- Cptmjl

I'm not saying he won't. I don't know what he will do. It just doesn't seem like his style.

Barzal like JT will be wasted on this team. Duclair bouncing around so much tells you something.
- ses111

Duclair isn’t a bad player he just isn’t the player that could turn this thing around. In fairness I don’t think there is any one player that could. If we went into a rebuild Barzal is young enough where there’s a chance he’ll still be a decent player by the time it’s done. Just a question if he wants to stick around for it. Trading higher salary players is not exactly a slam dunk thing even for a good player like Barzal.