I'm not saying he won't. I don't know what he will do. It just doesn't seem like his style.
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- JimmyP

I agree it’s not.

It all depends on the return. As they say even Gretzky was traded.

If (and it's a big if) they want to go full rebuild then they have to entertain all offers. That said I don't think they will go for a full rebuild.
- JimmyP

I agree Jimmy. Full rebuild you move Barzal.

Duclair isn’t a bad player he just isn’t the player that could turn this thing around. In fairness I don’t think there is any one player that could. If we went into a rebuild Barzal is young enough where there’s a chance he’ll still be a decent player by the time it’s done. Just a question if he wants to stick around for it. Trading higher salary players is not exactly a slam dunk thing even for a good player like Barzal.
- Cptmjl

Duclair is not bad but is not a 1st line player and he lacks intensity like many Islanders players. Barzal is not untouchable for sure and is not if you are doing a full rebuild.

Duclair is not bad but is not a 1st line player and he lacks intensity like many Islanders players. Barzal is not untouchable for sure and is not if you are doing a full rebuild.
- ses111

I doubt the islanders trade one of the younger most talented centers on the team. It can’t be a team of 18 and 19 year olds. If he wanted out when we go into a rebuild I can see it happening but I can’t see the team actively shopping him.

The position this team is in, everyone should be available for the RIGHT RETURN.

My point earlier was that guys like Nelson and Palms are probably the two best assets to move right now. This list should also include guys like JGP, Engvall, Fasching, Lee, Martin, Mayfield, Pulock, Pelech, and Varly.

Nelson and Palms will most likely net you the best returns without having to add sweeteners.

I then went back to look at cost effective players currently on the team. That is were Tsyplakov, MacLean, Holstrom, Casey, Reilly and Cholo came in. It does not mean that if the right offer comes you do not make the deal.

Then the current five-year core Barzal, Horvat, Duc, Dober, Rom and Sorokin.

If the team does not retool with moving the older players. They might as well do a full on rebuild. I still maintain moving Barzal for the haul. He will more than likely get you a player, prospect and draft pick. Might he be still at the end of the re-build maybe...But if you going in...go all the way. You cannot be half pregnant. IT may even accelerate the re-build.

Looking to bring in better cheaper players. Another 7 year deal on this team I am going lose my sh!T.

The position this team is in, everyone should be available for the RIGHT RETURN.

My point earlier was that guys like Nelson and Palms are probably the two best assets to move right now. This list should also include guys like JGP, Engvall, Fasching, Lee, Martin, Mayfield, Pulock, Pelech, and Varly.

Nelson and Palms will most likely net you the best returns without having to add sweeteners.

I then went back to look at cost effective players currently on the team. That is were Tsyplakov, MacLean, Holstrom, Casey, Reilly and Cholo came in. It does not mean that if the right offer comes you do not make the deal.

Then the current five-year core Barzal, Horvat, Duc, Dober, Rom and Sorokin.

If the team does not retool with moving the older players. They might as well do a full on rebuild. I still maintain moving Barzal for the haul. He will more than likely get you a player, prospect and draft pick. Might he be still at the end of the re-build maybe...But if you going in...go all the way. You cannot be half pregnant. IT may even accelerate the re-build.

Looking to bring in better cheaper players. Another 7 year deal on this team I am going lose my sh!T.
- Nfdbulldawg

I'm not disagreeing with your overall point. However, no one will trade for Fasching, Martin or Mayfield. I highly doubt anyone would trade for Varly or Casey.

I'm not disagreeing with your overall point. However, no one will trade for Fasching, Martin or Mayfield. I highly doubt anyone would trade for Varly or Casey.
- JimmyP

You also still have to hit the nhl floor. I also dont think you trade every, single, thing you have other then middling forwards and subpar players even if it’s an all out rebuild. Of course if there is an incredible trade out there that’s going to net top end young players or potential high first rd picks you go for it but there has to be some semblance of a team left. I believe the idea would be to try and somehow be competitive within Sorokin’s window of effectiveness. Not saying it would work out that way but have to think that would be Lou’s or whoever takes over plan whenever he decides to leave.

Wow who drafted Nelson? Must have been Snow never mind.

Rosner believes the deal’s framework would be Dobson, prospect Danny Nelson, and a first-round pick. The Islanders must also take on Pettersson’s $11.6 million cap hit.

No thank you I will pass.

Rosner believes the deal’s framework would be Dobson, prospect Danny Nelson, and a first-round pick. The Islanders must also take on Pettersson’s $11.6 million cap hit.

No thank you I will pass.
- Nfdbulldawg

I would pass on this deal. Islanders need to re-tool and if they are close, then you make this type of deal. Nelson could be an answer for the top 6 and a lot cheaper. Dobson is struggling, but is still very young and the #1 pick could be high this year.

Rosner believes the deal’s framework would be Dobson, prospect Danny Nelson, and a first-round pick. The Islanders must also take on Pettersson’s $11.6 million cap hit.

No thank you I will pass.
- Nfdbulldawg

That’s exactly the trade this team shouldn’t be doing.

I would pass on this deal. Islanders need to re-tool and if they are close, then you make this type of deal. Nelson could be an answer for the top 6 and a lot cheaper. Dobson is struggling, but is still very young and the #1 pick could be high this year.
- ses111

Dobson looks lost out there but real hesitant to trade him at the same time. This team shouldn’t be giving up their first for just about anything even if it’s top five protected. Also, have to factor how Lou could even unload enough salary to accommodate Peterson’s. Guy is a great younger player but this team should be focused on drafting and developing for the next few years.

Amazing what a difference Coach Todd McLellan is making in Detroit. In hard cap sports coaching makes a huge difference.

Dobson looks lost out there but real hesitant to trade him at the same time. This team shouldn’t be giving up their first for just about anything even if it’s top five protected. Also, have to factor how Lou could even unload enough salary to accommodate Peterson’s. Guy is a great younger player but this team should be focused on drafting and developing for the next few years.
- Cptmjl

I’m not giving up the #1 unless it’s for McDavid or Matthews. I love trades, but Islanders cannot be making these type of trades right now.

Amazing what a difference Coach Todd McLellan is making in Detroit. In hard cap sports coaching makes a huge difference.
- nyisles7

If coaching is the Islanders issue, Lou is the one who hired them. Should Lou get to hire another coach?

I’m not giving up the #1 unless it’s for McDavid or Matthews. I love trades, but Islanders cannot be making these type of trades right now.
- ses111

Not saying I agree with it, but I guess the idea of giving up the first to acquire a top line guy (which the isles couldn’t do via free agency) could be recouped by trading Brock Nelson or Kyle Palmieri. I see both sides of it.

My issue is having Lou be the guy doing it. Ten years ago when he stepped down from the devils he said "My age is no secret," Lamoriello said in a conference call Monday. "I have to be realistic; I have to be honest with myself."
Ten years later into his 80s…..is he really the guy?!?!?!

Not saying I agree with it, but I guess the idea of giving up the first to acquire a top line guy (which the isles couldn’t do via free agency) could be recouped by trading Brock Nelson or Kyle Palmieri. I see both sides of it.

My issue is having Lou be the guy doing it. Ten years ago when he stepped down from the devils he said "My age is no secret," Lamoriello said in a conference call Monday. "I have to be realistic; I have to be honest with myself."
Ten years later into his 80s…..is he really the guy?!?!?!
- kindlyrick

Did Lou really say this and now he is hanging on for dear life? Lou should not get to make another coaching change or big trade. The issue is the Islanders own #1 would be higher than a #1 for Nelson or Palms. I would really like to see what this Nelson kid could do and trading Dobson scares me as the Islanders do not seem to have a similar dman in the system.

Pierre LeBrun

Frank Vatrano’s 3-year, $18M extension is an interesting one. He will get paid $3M a year in base salary but then $9M in deferred salary. Starting 10 years from now in 2035, will make $900,000 a year for 10 years, and his plan is to live outside of California (and its tax system) at that point in retirement. Ducks, meanwhile, benefit with deferred payments by having $4.57M AAV (instead of $6M AAV) on the deal. Creative way for both the team and player to make it work. And perhaps show other players in future way to stick-handle around California tax issue.


Interesting. The new version of front loading only it’s backloading. Ha

If coaching is the Islanders issue, Lou is the one who hired them. Should Lou get to hire another coach?
- ses111

I was totally stoked with the Roy hire. That said his structure may not be the right fit for the team he has. Especially in the D zone. To me they are having a hard time grasping it and it looks to me like Roy is sticking with it instead of tweaking it towards his lineup.
As far as Lou, getting to hire a new coach. I think it all comes down to if the Islanders make the PO’s. If not there will be roster changes for sure and a retool/build will commence. If Lou gets to or even wants to do the retool is probably going to be a conversation that ownership has with him. I’m thinking if the Islanders don’t make the POs he’s going to call it a career.
That said, I don’t think any decision will be made on Roy until seasons end. If a total new regime comes in they may want to bring in a different coach and staff as well.
A lot of moving parts and decisions to be made for sure.

Pierre LeBrun

Frank Vatrano’s 3-year, $18M extension is an interesting one. He will get paid $3M a year in base salary but then $9M in deferred salary. Starting 10 years from now in 2035, will make $900,000 a year for 10 years, and his plan is to live outside of California (and its tax system) at that point in retirement. Ducks, meanwhile, benefit with deferred payments by having $4.57M AAV (instead of $6M AAV) on the deal. Creative way for both the team and player to make it work. And perhaps show other players in future way to stick-handle around California tax issue.


Interesting. The new version of front loading only it’s backloading. Ha
- kindlyrick

I guess taxes may come into players decisions

I was totally stoked with the Roy hire. That said his structure may not be the right fit for the team he has. Especially in the D zone. To me they are having a hard time grasping it and it looks to me like Roy is sticking with it instead of tweaking it towards his lineup.
As far as Lou, getting to hire a new coach. I think it all comes down to if the Islanders make the PO’s. If not there will be roster changes for sure and a retool/build will commence. If Lou gets to or even wants to do the retool is probably going to be a conversation that ownership has with him. I’m thinking if the Islanders don’t make the POs he’s going to call it a career.
That said, I don’t think any decision will be made on Roy until seasons end. If a total new regime comes in they may want to bring in a different coach and staff as well.
A lot of moving parts and decisions to be made for sure.
- nyisles7

New coach would still mean Lou’s staff. 5 of the 7 coaches are devils.

I was totally stoked with the Roy hire. That said his structure may not be the right fit for the team he has. Especially in the D zone. To me they are having a hard time grasping it and it looks to me like Roy is sticking with it instead of tweaking it towards his lineup.
As far as Lou, getting to hire a new coach. I think it all comes down to if the Islanders make the PO’s. If not there will be roster changes for sure and a retool/build will commence. If Lou gets to or even wants to do the retool is probably going to be a conversation that ownership has with him. I’m thinking if the Islanders don’t make the POs he’s going to call it a career.
That said, I don’t think any decision will be made on Roy until seasons end. If a total new regime comes in they may want to bring in a different coach and staff as well.
A lot of moving parts and decisions to be made for sure.
- nyisles7

You would think Roy being an all time great goalie and coming from the Habs. He would understand the proper d system. I think a big issue is Pelech and Pulock and Mayfield are not the same and Toews and Leddy were not adequately replaced. The offense not scoring enough puts even more pressure on the d and goalies. I think it’s more of a roster problem. If a new GM is hired and wants to hire his own coach, I’m all for it. Just think it’s time for a new GM and the rest of this year should be about trading players away.

New coach would still mean Lou’s staff. 5 of the 7 coaches are devils.
- kindlyrick

It’s not just the head coach. Assistants play a part in the success and failure and especially when the head coach does not get to pick his coaches.

You would think Roy being an all time great goalie and coming from the Habs. He would understand the proper d system. I think a big issue is Pelech and Pulock and Mayfield are not the same and Toews and Leddy were not adequately replaced. I think it’s more of a roster problem. If a new GM is hired and wants to hire his own coach, I’m all for it. Just think it’s time for a new GM and the rest of this year should be about trading players away.
- ses111

Toews Leddy (and Boychuk) were not replaced

Toews Leddy (and Boychuk) were not replaced
- kindlyrick

Nope. This is why the roster is the bigger issue. Barry had a great system and the defensemen were much better and some key forwards were younger. We also know what was happening with the league during those runs as well. Islanders very likely miss the playoffs that 1st ECF run if the season was not cut short.