I don't think that was his ask from the Flyers. I think he asked for more years and higher AAV. And we he saw he couldn't get that on the open market he signed with a better team for less AAV when he got the years he wanted.
- MBFlyerfan

That's speculation of course but very reasonable. A player will often make high demands of the team he is currently with for a couple of reasons. He wants to maximize his value and is intent on testing free agency. Or he doesn't really want to re-sign with his current team but will if he is made the right offer. Of course players and their agents can often misread the market.

Thing is, they said it last season as well. He keeps pointing at the Walker trade, but everybody knows they only traded Walker because they felt his contract demands were too high and they would have resigned him otherwise. So in my opinion it is disingenuous to bring that SINGLE trade up as proof.

They said time and again they owed it to the team to give them a chance. So pointing to one token trade to get a late first round pick and a headache as proof doesn't cut it. I need to see REAL change this deadline. Frost...gone, Laughton....gone, Ristolainen....gone. If at least 2 deals aren't made including those players and some others (they should at least be listening on Poehling, Foerster, Farabee, Brink, and basically ANYONE else not named Michkov) IMO it is just more lip service.
- MBFlyerfan

i'm not so sure. i think the plan all along was to move him.

I don't think that was his ask from the Flyers. I think he asked for more years and higher AAV. And we he saw he couldn't get that on the open market he signed with a better team for less AAV when he got the years he wanted.
- MBFlyerfan

I doubt it was significantly more.

How many players added, a cap dump? How many games had Ryjo played or blocked anyone? How many games has EJ played this year? Let me break it down for you. You’re a dumb Frank
- ClaudeFather

I see you do not want to answer the simple questions I posed to you. Math isn't your strong point.

Who said anything about RYJO blocking anyone? How many games EJ plays does not matter. Neither of those points you mention are not part of the conversation that was taking place.

You have no idea what net zero means and you have the audacity to call anyone a dumb frank.

I see you do not want to answer the simple questions I posed to you. Math isn't your strong point.

Who said anything about RYJO blocking anyone? How many games EJ plays does not matter. Neither of those points you mention are not part of the conversation that was taking place.

You have no idea what net zero means and you have the audacity to call anyone a dumb frank.
- furio16

What makes you dumb as dirt is trying to use zero context when moving out and taking in a player/asset.

What makes you dumb as dirt is trying to use zero context when moving out and taking in a player/asset.
- ClaudeFather

Still deflecting from answering the simple questions. Go bang your head against the wall. Might do you some good.

i'm not so sure. i think the plan all along was to move him.
- gritty_committee

You negotiate with a player on a new contract if the plan all along was to move a player on an expiring UFA contract?

Still deflecting from answering the simple questions. Go bang your head against the wall. Might do you some good.
- furio16

Simple logic isn’t your strong suit

Simple logic isn’t your strong suit
- ClaudeFather

Facts > logic.

You negotiate with a player on a new contract if the plan all along was to move a player on an expiring UFA contract?
- MJL

I just don’t know how much negotiating there was - as you said, it’s speculation either way.

I don’t get the idea there were hard negotiating sessions going on and they just couldn’t swing it. As ClaudeFather said, that deal he got wouldn’t scare the flyers IMO with their history of handing out deals. to me it’s more likely we floated a deal to him expecting him to say no and go for a bigger pay day. a “too good to pass up” deal for the flyers.

The funny thing is, his value was never higher when we traded him and he did next to nothing in Colorado for an early playoff exit. Do we know what we would have given him vs what he got? It would be interesting if he got less in FA than our potential “low ball offer”

What I don’t think happened is that they tried hard to sign him, failed and then looked for trades. IMO It’s more likely they had deals on the table, went back to him to see what he’d ask for if he stayed, then decided the deals on the table were better. I have nothing to back that up.

The flyers mess plenty up, I’m not sure Danny was close to messing this one up. Seemed more like a departing message for a guy - “eh ya know he was great for us, would have loved to have him back, made an offer, decided the 1st was best moving forward” - kind of a throw away statement IMO.

Of the triumvirate, I think Jonesy is the biggest BS artist 😂

I just don’t know how much negotiating there was - as you said, it’s speculation either way.

I don’t get the idea there were hard negotiating sessions going on and they just couldn’t swing it. As ClaudeFather said, that deal he got wouldn’t scare the flyers IMO with their history of handing out deals. to me it’s more likely we floated a deal to him expecting him to say no and go for a bigger pay day. a “too good to pass up” deal for the flyers.

The funny thing is, his value was never higher when we traded him and he did next to nothing in Colorado for an early playoff exit. Do we know what we would have given him vs what he got? It would be interesting if he got less in FA than our potential “low ball offer”

What I don’t think happened is that they tried hard to sign him, failed and then looked for trades. IMO It’s more likely they had deals on the table, went back to him to see what he’d ask for if he stayed, then decided the deals on the table were better. I have nothing to back that up.
- gritty_committee

It was well reported that the Flyers tried to re-sign him. The question again is, if a team plans all along to move a player because they are rebuilding, do they negotiate with the player on a new contract, at any level. The reason they traded him is because they couldn't come to an agreement. The genesis of the trade was not due to having a mindset that they are rebuilding. They did try and re-sign him and failed to come to an agreement and then looked for trades. That is exactly what happened. Even if they weighed the cost of re-signing him versus trade return, that's still not a rebuilding posture.

It was well reported that the Flyers tried to re-sign him. The question again is, if a team plans all along to move a player because they are rebuilding, do they negotiate with the player on a new contract. The reason they traded him is because they couldn't come to an agreement. The genesis of the trade was not due to having a mindset that they are rebuilding. They did try and re-sign him and failed to come to an agreement and then looked for trades. That is exactly what happened.
- MJL

I guess I'd have to see the reports. as far as I know they are just going off what Danny said in that press conference:

“You’re giving up a player that has played extremely well for us, helped us get into this position that we’re in (today),” Briere said. “It was tough to let him go, but at the same time, the asset that we were getting in return, we felt that’s something we just could not pass (up), at the place we are now with the timeline with this team. Lots of value on a first-round pick.”

I can't find the quote but I do know he said "we tried to resign him" or something to that effect but I didn't put much stock in it.

I agree with this article:

https://www.broadstreetho...ad-of-nhl-trade-deadline/

they interpret Elliotte Friedman's thoughts on how the flyers handled this - more keeping their options open, almost threatening to sign the guy if they don't get their high asking price. playing poker as he puts it:

“I think it’s really fascinating. Philly … they’re playing cards. They’re playing poker. They’re trying to sign people but they’re saying ‘Hey, there’s a limit.’ But they’re also setting high prices on guys. It’s almost like they’re waiting to see what happens first: we get what we want or the player signs,” Friedman continued. “I think in Walker’s case the pendulum has definitely swung to ‘We prefer to keep him.’

IMO more due diligence than painting themselves in a corner. EF does say "the pendulum was swinging closer to keeping Walker" so I agree they'd have no problem finding a number to sign him - if they couldn't strong arm the first. Them telling teams we want to resign him, IMO, is how they got the first.

i take it as "sure, we're happy to resign the guy - we won't back down from our 1st round asking price" vs "damn we couldn't sign him, better see what we can get in a trade."

EF puts it pretty plainly that they were kind of waiting to see what happened first

Of the triumvirate, I think Jonesy is the biggest BS artist 😂
- gritty_committee

Jones is not the typical POHO. He doesn't have authority over the GM and the head coach and he is not guiding the direction of the team. He was hired to be the head cheerleader and PR guy for the team. To spin the message and mislead the fan base and cater to the fans starvation for a winning team.

Jones is not the typical POHO. He doesn't have authority over the GM and the head coach and he is not guiding the direction of the team. He was hired to be the head cheerleader and PR guy for the team. To spin the message and mislead the fan base and cater to the fans starvation for a winning team.
- MJL

100% agree and it's very transparent

I guess I'd have to see the reports. as far as I know they are just going off what Danny said in that press conference:

“You’re giving up a player that has played extremely well for us, helped us get into this position that we’re in (today),” Briere said. “It was tough to let him go, but at the same time, the asset that we were getting in return, we felt that’s something we just could not pass (up), at the place we are now with the timeline with this team. Lots of value on a first-round pick.”

I can't find the quote but I do know he said "we tried to resign him" or something to that effect but I didn't put much stock in it.

I agree with this article:

https://www.broadstreetho...ad-of-nhl-trade-deadline/

they interpret Elliotte Friedman's thoughts on how the flyers handled this - more keeping their options open, almost threatening to sign the guy if they don't get their high asking price. playing poker as he puts it:

“I think it’s really fascinating. Philly … they’re playing cards. They’re playing poker. They’re trying to sign people but they’re saying ‘Hey, there’s a limit.’ But they’re also setting high prices on guys. It’s almost like they’re waiting to see what happens first: we get what we want or the player signs,” Friedman continued. “I think in Walker’s case the pendulum has definitely swung to ‘We prefer to keep him.’

IMO more due diligence than painting themselves in a corner. EF does say "the pendulum was swinging closer to keeping Walker" so I agree they'd have no problem finding a number to sign him - if they couldn't strong arm the first. Them telling teams we want to resign him, IMO, is how they got the first.

i take it as "sure, we're happy to resign the guy - we won't back down from our 1st round asking price" vs "damn we couldn't sign him, better see what we can get in a trade."

EF puts it pretty plainly that they were kind of waiting to see what happened first
- gritty_committee

All of that supports my premise. They definitely wanted to keep him. A true rebuilding team is always in the camp of wanting to trade a player like Walker and not considering re-signing him.

All of that supports my premise. They definitely wanted to keep him. A true rebuilding team is always in the camp of wanting to trade a player like Walker and not considering re-signing him.
- MJL

i guess i just think their willingness to keep him is how they got their high asking price. even with taking RyJo, that 1st for Walker is still more than I expected for him.

if the flyers fully commit to being sellers at the deadline who would you like to unload?

i also wonder what established nhl players are available and fit the timeline.

i guess i just think their willingness to keep him is how they got their high asking price. even with taking RyJo, that 1st for Walker is still more than I expected for him.

if the flyers fully commit to being sellers at the deadline who would you like to unload?

i also wonder what established nhl players are available and fit the timeline.
- gritty_committee

It's likely at best a middle to late first round pick plus having to take on Johansen. Good value but is that really a high ask?

I would be open to trading anyone not named Michkov. The Flyers don't really have many realistic trade deadline chips. They've hamstrung themselves with multi year deals.

It's likely at best a middle to late first round pick plus having to take on Johansen. Good value but is that really a high ask?

I would be open to trading anyone not named Michkov. The Flyers don't really have many realistic trade deadline chips. They've hamstrung themselves with multi year deals.
- MJL

i agree there might not be much in terms of rentals but EF said he was hearing that players with term were actually being sought out by GMs. i just want another deal from DB to instill my trust back in him. i'm on the fence currently.

The bruins, by diving….
- ClaudeFather

Weird. Not how I read it while he was saying it. I thought he was criticizing his own team for embarrassing the refs, in some way, that led to the penalties. I guess it makes more sense now. He’s a weird dude. The bottom line is he sat his best players in OT and lost. The coach did not give his team the best opportunity to win.

Weird. Not how I read it while he was saying it. I thought he was criticizing his own team for disrespecting the refs, in some way, that led to the penalties. I guess it makes more sense now. He’s a weird dude. The bottom line is he sat his best players in OT and lost. The coach did not give his team the best opportunity to win.
- Dkos

were both cates and poehling out there together at one point? i forget.

were both cates and poehling out there together at one point? i forget.
- gritty_committee

That would be embarrassing

were both cates and poehling out there together at one point? i forget.
- gritty_committee

Yes they were.

Yes they were.
- landros 2

maybe the plan is to stun the opposition

Yes they were.
- landros 2

I don't think they were out together but they both played in OT. Both are players that should not see the ice in OT.

Hoping the Flyers can trade their way into the top 10 or higher is not reality. It is unlikely to happen.
- MJL

Yes I agree that teams will not trade out of the top 10 once they are there. What I meant was by trading some players during the season before the deadline, the Flyers will lose more games down thr stretch and thus be one of those teams with a top 10 pick.