All he has to do is keep playing like he is and he will get himself out of Philly…. As a Fan I hold out hope that he can still put it together.
- landros 2

I do also but I don't think it's going to happen here if it happens.

I think Frost is capped out, he is what he is. We are constantly told he is play maker, but now we see via Michkov what a true play maker is. I think Frost will benefit from playing with Michkov, as has Tippet. My hope is Frost puts up some points so the Flyers can get some value for him at the deadline.
- jd250

A playmaker is a type of player. It describes what the strengths of his game are. Another player being better, doesn't change what another player is. Nathan McKinnon has 36 assists. Michkov has 16. Does that mean that Michkov is not a playmaker?

He is a playmaker. He has shown that many times in his career. Saying his isn't one because he doesn't compare to Michkov is asinine. What is next, Tippett isn't a goal scorer because he doesn't compare to Stamkos? Give me a break.
- MBFlyerfan

Beat me to it.

Who had the Flyers being ahead of the Rags in the standings on December 11th? I wonder if the Rags pull the trigger on Lavy if they lose to the Sabres tonight. The natives are very restless. Ha!!

A playmaker is a type of player. It describes what the strengths of his game are. Another player being better, doesn't change what another player is. Nathan McKinnon has 36 assists. Michkov has 16. Does that mean that Michkov is not a playmaker?
- MJL

Michkov may be McKinnon some day, but certainly not today. But what I can do is compare as play makers the 20 year old Michkov to the 25 year old Frost, and Frost loses that comparison already by a very wide margin.

He is a playmaker. He has shown that many times in his career. Saying his isn't one because he doesn't compare to Michkov is asinine. What is next, Tippett isn't a goal scorer because he doesn't compare to Stamkos? Give me a break.
- MBFlyerfan

My only point is when you see a real play maker you realize what you thought was a play maker actually wasn't. A play maker by definition is one that makes plays and drives offense. Frost doesn't do that most of the time. Michkov is a point per game player in the first 27 games of his NHL career, and has already elevated Frost and Tippet. That is a what a real play maker does.

Michkov may be McKinnon some day, but certainly not today. But what I can do is compare as play makers the 20 year old Michkov to the 25 year old Frost, and Frost loses that comparison already by a very wide margin.
- jd250

As expected, you didn't get it.

My only point is when you see a real play maker you realize what you thought was a play maker actually wasn't. A play maker by definition is one that makes plays and drives offense. Frost doesn't do that most of the time. Michkov is a point per game player in the first 27 games of his NHL career, and has already elevated Frost and Tippet. That is a what a real play maker does.
- jd250

You're confused. Somehow you think that because one player is better at something than another. That means one player is not something. In the example MB gave to you, Stamkos is far superior to Tippett as a goal scorer. Therefore by your logic, that makes Tippett not a goal scorer. It's a logic fail on your part.

8 straight losses for the Sabres. If Briere does business with BUF, he needs to do better then acquiring Krebs.

8 straight losses for the Sabres. If Briere does business with BUF, he needs to do better then acquiring Krebs.
- Trox88

Cozens and Krebs for Farabee and Frost. Now that's a hockey trade.

8 straight losses for the Sabres. If Briere does business with BUF, he needs to do better then acquiring Krebs.
- Trox88

Crazy. They just need to be patient and the rebuild will be effective.

Crazy. They just need to be patient and the rebuild will be effective.
- Hextall271

They just cannot get it right. I think the Oilers are the same but they have McDavid who overrides poor management.

They just cannot get it right. I think the Oilers are the same but they have McDavid who overrides poor management.
- mickel25

Oilers are closer for sure. But they still need to upgrade their d and goaltending. Last year, I think everything lined up for them when it came to matchups. It may have been their best chance. The oilers can out score a lot of problems and they could lose 10 Im a row and then win 15 without too much effort.

You're confused. Somehow you think that because one player is better at something than another. That means one player is not something. In the example MB gave to you, Stamkos is far superior to Tippett as a goal scorer. Therefore by your logic, that makes Tippett not a goal scorer. It's a logic fail on your part.
- MJL

Tippet is a goal scorer, just not an elite goal scorer. No one ever said Frost was an elite play maker, but the general consensus has been Frost is a pass first player, therefore a play maker. But in reality he is a poor play maker, and we see that clearly now that Michkov is here.

8 straight losses for the Sabres. If Briere does business with BUF, he needs to do better then acquiring Krebs.
- Trox88

Buffalo will never wash the stain of losing off of themselves, not matter how many top 10 picks they have on their team. It's a cautionary tale for those on this forum that want the Flyers to tank.

Tippet is a goal scorer, just not an elite goal scorer. No one ever said Frost was an elite play maker, but the general consensus has been Frost is a pass first player, therefore a play maker. But in reality he is a poor play maker, and we see that clearly now that Michkov is here.
- jd250

Now you're refuting your own opinion that wasn't very well thought out in the first place. I don't know about you and I'm not sure who we is, but I didn't need Michkov to come here to know what type of player Frost is.

Buffalo will never wash the stain of losing off of themselves, not matter how many top 10 picks they have on their team. It's a cautionary tale for those on this forum that want the Flyers to tank.
- jd250

Is the success that many teams have had by tanking, also a cautionary tale?

The question I have for you is why aren't the Flyers and their lack of success over a period of time longer than a decade, a cautionary tale for you?

Buffalo will never wash the stain of losing off of themselves, not matter how many top 10 picks they have on their team. It's a cautionary tale for those on this forum that want the Flyers to tank.
- jd250

To me poor management should always be a cautionary tale. It is a tale that a good bit of Flyer fans seem unwilling to accept in regards to the Flyers in the cap era. Specifically the last 12 years.

Look around the league. The Sabres clearly had the talent in house and just did not harness it. That falls squarely on the management team.

To me poor management should always be a cautionary tale. It is a tale that a good bit of Flyer fans seem unwilling to accept in regards to the Flyers in the cap era. Specifically the last 12 years.

Look around the league. The Sabres clearly had the talent in house and just did not harness it. That falls squarely on the management team.
- mickel25

Well said. It's not the approach chosen by Buffalo, it's the execution. A very simple concept that seems difficult for some to grasp is that is better to be a failed team that tanked than a team that is a bubble playoff team that is capped out. Middle ground is the worst place to be. As of right now, Buffalo is looking at a top 10 pick, maybe higher based on the lottery. While the Flyers are looking at a mid draft pick. Both are failed teams but who is better off? It amazes me that fans of the Flyers, who have been incompetently run for over a decade, repeatedly reference the Sabres. Apparently they want the Flyers to continue doing the same thing over and over. They actually support that. Apparently they think the Flyers are on some higher ground

Buffalo will never wash the stain of losing off of themselves, not matter how many top 10 picks they have on their team. It's a cautionary tale for those on this forum that want the Flyers to tank.
- jd250

well the flyers management and owners are just as inept as the buffalo so a tank probably won't work.

just curious why you never mention the teams who did tank and have been successful?

To me poor management should always be a cautionary tale. It is a tale that a good bit of Flyer fans seem unwilling to accept in regards to the Flyers in the cap era. Specifically the last 12 years.

Look around the league. The Sabres clearly had the talent in house and just did not harness it. That falls squarely on the management team.
- mickel25

correct. they passed with flying colors the 1st part of tanking. putting themselves in a spot to get high picks.

on paper they should be a lot better. they need major shakeup of whatever core they have. their GM is brutal. like the flyers will probably be bad until new owners.

Well said. It's not the approach chosen by Buffalo, it's the execution. A very simple concept that seems difficult for some to grasp is that is better to be a failed team that tanked than a team that is a bubble playoff team that is capped out. Middle ground is the worst place to be. As of right now, Buffalo is looking at a top 10 pick, maybe higher based on the lottery. While the Flyers are looking at a mid draft pick. Both are failed teams but who is better off? It amazes me that fans of the Flyers, who have been incompetently run for over a decade, repeatedly reference the Sabres. Apparently they want the Flyers to continue doing the same thing over and over. They actually support that. Apparently they think the Flyers are on some higher ground
- MJL

buffalo has more wins than the flyers last 3 years

well the flyers management and owners are just as inept as the buffalo so a tank probably won't work.

just curious why you never mention the teams who did tank and have been successful?
- login

I’m not a big fan of the Flyers new regime…I remain hopeful they can win me over…but even at this point they no where rival the utter incompetence that the Buffalo Sabres franchise has shown the last 15 years.

Buffalo will never wash the stain of losing off of themselves, not matter how many top 10 picks they have on their team. It's a cautionary tale for those on this forum that want the Flyers to tank.
- jd250

They will one day…they still have a strong fan base. They need their owner to hire an actual competent management team. They have a lot of top end assets, dare I say more then what the Flyers have, but the current regime has had no success in putting it all together.

I’m not a big fan of the Flyers new regime…I remain hopeful they can win me over…but even at this point they no where rival the utter incompetence that the Buffalo Sabres franchise has shown the last 15 years.
- landros 2

they are close. a couple playoff appearances by the flyers in that span don't count for much to me.

they have talent. something is just wrong. just not a good team obviously. thought Ruff would help. guess not so far.

Then again maybe them, the sens, and wings just aren't that good.