I’m not a big fan of the Flyers new regime…I remain hopeful they can win me over…but even at this point they no where rival the utter incompetence that the Buffalo Sabres franchise has shown the last 15 years.
- landros 2

Incompetence (Flyers) is only one rung below Utter (Sabres) Incompetence. At least they landed the high level talent at some point.

I’m not a big fan of the Flyers new regime…I remain hopeful they can win me over…but even at this point they no where rival the utter incompetence that the Buffalo Sabres franchise has shown the last 15 years.
- landros 2

The Flyers aren't really that much better.

Is the success that many teams have had by tanking, also a cautionary tale?

The question I have for you is why aren't the Flyers and their lack of success over a period of time longer than a decade, a cautionary tale for you?
- MJL

What tanking teams are currently succeeding? Chicago is worse this year than they were last year, which is hard to do. The natives are getting wrestless in Detroit, they have been in the same spot for several seasons now. Montreal is a mess and worse than the Sabres. The Sharks and Ducks are two of the worst teams in the league!

It's all about timing! Teams can tank and pick in the top 5 for multiple years, but that does not guarantee them anything and we see this over and over again. If a team inserts young and promising talent into a losing culture, more often than not those players will continue to be part of a losing culture. The Flyers are trying to build a winning culture for players like Michkov, Luchanko, Bonk and Barkey can be part of. I think they are doing it the right way.

The Flyers have obviously put a lot of weight on this coming draft, and unfortunately based on current projections this does not seem to be a deep draft. Therefore for the Flyers to be picking in the teens again will not get them what they need to get to the next level, i.e. a true 1D and 1C, unless of course they get extremely lucky. So what do they do? With Michkov the Flyers have a real chance to make the playoffs this year and i'm afraid that is what they will try to do, making their picks even lower in the draft. Thus I see them making pre-draft and draft day trades to try to get the players they target. Will this work? I don't know. But it has just as much of a chance to work as sucking and drafting high year after year.

What tanking teams are currently succeeding? Chicago is worse this year than they were last year, which is hard to do. The natives are getting wrestless in Detroit, they have been in the same spot for several seasons now. Montreal is a mess and worse than the Sabres. The Sharks and Ducks are two of the worst teams in the league!

It's all about timing! Teams can tank and pick in the top 5 for multiple years, but that does not guarantee them anything and we see this over and over again. If a team inserts young and promising talent into a losing culture, more often than not those players will continue to be part of a losing culture. The Flyers are trying to build a winning culture for players like Michkov, Luchanko, Bonk and Barkey can be part of. I think they are doing it the right way.

The Flyers have obviously put a lot of weight on this coming draft, and unfortunately based on current projections this does not seem to be a deep draft. Therefore for the Flyers to be picking in the teens again will not get them what they need to get to the next level, i.e. a true 1D and 1C, unless of course they get extremely lucky. So what do they do? With Michkov the Flyers have a real chance to make the playoffs this year and i'm afraid that is what they will try to do, making their picks even lower in the draft. Thus I see them making pre-draft and draft day trades to try to get the players they target. Will this work? I don't know. But it has just as much of a chance to work as sucking and drafting high year after year.
- jd250

So now the criteria is "currently" succeeding?

they are close. a couple playoff appearances by the flyers in that span don't count for much to me.

they have talent. something is just wrong. just not a good team obviously. thought Ruff would help. guess not so far.

Then again maybe them, the sens, and wings just aren't that good.
- login

I watch a lot of Sens games, and they are another team that has an abundance of talent and assets, but the management has never been able to put it together. Last nights game was one of the most complete games I’ve seen them play, although against the Ducks. Staios appears to have a grasp, and deserves some time to see if he can get them going….the new owner will spend $ and a he has a lot of it. As far as the Wings, the saviour, Steven Y hasn’t been able to surround some of his young stallions either…they don’t look cohesive at all.

Incompetence (Flyers) is only one rung below Utter (Sabres) Incompetence. At least they landed the high level talent at some point.
- mickel25

At least the Flyers are entertaining to watch 60% of the time. ( not exact number so please don’t fact check me)…Buffalo is awful to watch, literally ever game.

They passed on that rule change last off season. What makes you think they will act on it this off season.
- WhiskeyMan

New rules or rule changes usually take a couple rounds at the annual owners meetings. Things take time to gain traction league-wide. I think there needs to be some tweaks to the 3-on-3 OT, but I'm not sure exactly how to incentivize or penalize teams for just skating around constantly exiting the zone without ever attempting to score and only focusing on possession.

What tanking teams are currently succeeding? Chicago is worse this year than they were last year, which is hard to do. The natives are getting wrestless in Detroit, they have been in the same spot for several seasons now. Montreal is a mess and worse than the Sabres. The Sharks and Ducks are two of the worst teams in the league!

It's all about timing! Teams can tank and pick in the top 5 for multiple years, but that does not guarantee them anything and we see this over and over again. If a team inserts young and promising talent into a losing culture, more often than not those players will continue to be part of a losing culture. The Flyers are trying to build a winning culture for players like Michkov, Luchanko, Bonk and Barkey can be part of. I think they are doing it the right way.

The Flyers have obviously put a lot of weight on this coming draft, and unfortunately based on current projections this does not seem to be a deep draft. Therefore for the Flyers to be picking in the teens again will not get them what they need to get to the next level, i.e. a true 1D and 1C, unless of course they get extremely lucky. So what do they do? With Michkov the Flyers have a real chance to make the playoffs this year and i'm afraid that is what they will try to do, making their picks even lower in the draft. Thus I see them making pre-draft and draft day trades to try to get the players they target. Will this work? I don't know. But it has just as much of a chance to work as sucking and drafting high year after year.
- jd250

Sometimes I don't know where to start. You're asking which teams that are currently tanking are succeeding. Seriously, think about that statement and what is wrong with it. Then we can address the rest of the flaws and inaccuracies in your post.

What tanking teams are currently succeeding? Chicago is worse this year than they were last year, which is hard to do. The natives are getting wrestless in Detroit, they have been in the same spot for several seasons now. Montreal is a mess and worse than the Sabres. The Sharks and Ducks are two of the worst teams in the league!

It's all about timing! Teams can tank and pick in the top 5 for multiple years, but that does not guarantee them anything and we see this over and over again. If a team inserts young and promising talent into a losing culture, more often than not those players will continue to be part of a losing culture. The Flyers are trying to build a winning culture for players like Michkov, Luchanko, Bonk and Barkey can be part of. I think they are doing it the right way.

The Flyers have obviously put a lot of weight on this coming draft, and unfortunately based on current projections this does not seem to be a deep draft. Therefore for the Flyers to be picking in the teens again will not get them what they need to get to the next level, i.e. a true 1D and 1C, unless of course they get extremely lucky. So what do they do? With Michkov the Flyers have a real chance to make the playoffs this year and i'm afraid that is what they will try to do, making their picks even lower in the draft. Thus I see them making pre-draft and draft day trades to try to get the players they target. Will this work? I don't know. But it has just as much of a chance to work as sucking and drafting high year after year.
- jd250

The current up coming draft is not as deep as was forecasted a couple years ago with regards to elite talent at the top….but there were 1rst rnd grades on 45 guys or so…so I’m cautiously optimistic. Big year for the scouting staff.

The current up coming draft is not as deep as was forecasted a couple years ago with regards to elite talent at the top….but there were 1rst rnd grades on 45 guys or so…so I’m cautiously optimistic. Big year for the scouting staff.
- landros 2

so funny hearing the 3 stooges praise this 2025 draft as franchise altering and the like.

same scouting staff that has been in place for years, that one?

So now the criteria is "currently" succeeding?
- MBFlyerfan

Are they ever going to suceed? What evidence do you have that the Ducks, for example, are going to be a power house soon? My only point is just because a team drafts high and gets the hyped up players in that draft, doesn't mean those players will turn a losing culture into a winning one. Ottawa is another example. They tanked and drafted high for a few seasons, and got some really good players, like Stutzle, Tkachuk, Sanderson, and Chabot, and where are they now? Once again on the outside looking in. There's no guarantee and there is no one way to build a contending team is my only point. If you all just want to poop on the Flyers for everything they do, that's your prerogative. As for me, I think the Flyers have a great chance to build something here with some smart moves this coming off season.

so funny hearing the 3 stooges praise this 2025 draft as franchise altering and the like.

same scouting staff that has been in place for years, that one?
- login

Ya that one..

Are they ever going to suceed? What evidence do you have that the Ducks, for example, are going to be a power house soon? My only point is just because a team draft's high and gets the hyped up players in that draft, doesn't mean those players will turn a losing culture into a winning one. Ottawa is another example. They tanked and drafted high for a few seasons, and got some really good players, like Stutzle, Tkachuk, Sanderson, and Chabot, and where are they now? Once again on the outside looking in. There's no guarantee and there is no one way to build a contending team is my only point. If you all just want to poop on the Flyers for everything they do, that's your prerogative. As for me, I think the Flyers have a great chance to really build something here with some smart moves this coming off season.
- jd250

Smart moves….and some luck…like Michkov at # 7 type of luck.

The current up coming draft is not as deep as was forecasted a couple years ago with regards to elite talent at the top….but there were 1rst rnd grades on 45 guys or so…so I’m cautiously optimistic. Big year for the scouting staff.
- landros 2

Absolutely, this is a critical year for Jones, Briere and Flahr. If they can get this right the Flyers has a real chance to be good for many years to come. If you think about it, last year's team went to game 82 before they missed the playoffs. Its the same team this year + Michkov and - Hart/Quitter drama. Given the swoon from the Rangers, this Flyers team has a real shot at getting in this year.

Are they ever going to suceed? What evidence do you have that the Ducks, for example, are going to be a power house soon? My only point is just because a team drafts high and gets the hyped up players in that draft, doesn't mean those players will turn a losing culture into a winning one. Ottawa is another example. They tanked and drafted high for a few seasons, and got some really good players, like Stutzle, Tkachuk, Sanderson, and Chabot, and where are they now? Once again on the outside looking in. There's no guarantee and there is no one way to build a contending team is my only point. If you all just want to poop on the Flyers for everything they do, that's your prerogative. As for me, I think the Flyers have a great chance to build something here with some smart moves this coming off season.
- jd250

all that really matters is the flyers and they are not a good team. they have earned the right to be shat on.

what the F are they going to build? Do you really have faith they can make smart moves? I haven't seen any yet.

Absolutely, this is a critical year for Jones, Briere and Flahr. If they can get this right the Flyers has a real chance to be good for many years to come. If you think about it, last year's team went to game 82 before they missed the playoffs. Its the same team this year + Michkov and - Hart/Quitter drama. Given the swoon from the Rangers, this Flyers team has a real shot at getting in this year.
- jd250

based on what exactly? average farm system. no blue chip elite level studs. flyers history of development is not all that great.

since when is making the playoffs this great accomplishment? to not make it is a disgrace when half the teams do make it.

this team is propped up by the loser points. how many regular season wins they have? they are at or near the bottom.

So now the criteria is "currently" succeeding?
- MBFlyerfan

LOL, was just about to ask the same thing!

Are they ever going to suceed? What evidence do you have that the Ducks, for example, are going to be a power house soon? My only point is just because a team drafts high and gets the hyped up players in that draft, doesn't mean those players will turn a losing culture into a winning one. Ottawa is another example. They tanked and drafted high for a few seasons, and got some really good players, like Stutzle, Tkachuk, Sanderson, and Chabot, and where are they now? Once again on the outside looking in. There's no guarantee and there is no one way to build a contending team is my only point. If you all just want to poop on the Flyers for everything they do, that's your prerogative. As for me, I think the Flyers have a great chance to build something here with some smart moves this coming off season.
- jd250

The Ducks have Leo Carlsson, Beckett Sennecke, Pavel Mintyukov, Cutter Gauthier, Mason McTavish and are going to have another top 5 pick most likely in the next upcoming draft. Let's look at Chicago and SJ top prospects, also are both going to be getting another top pick in the upcoming draft. Then compare it to the Flyers. Do you not understand that when doing a true rebuild, by it's nature, it's not going to happen any time soon. It is a lengthy process.


You're right, there are no guarantees. What there is though is a method that is proven to be significantly more successful. After posting repeatedly on and on about how you need to have top 5 picks. About the Flyers needing to move up in the draft, rather by their position in the standings or by trade. You now are posting that with later picks in the draft, the Flyers have a chance to build something special. You constantly contradict your own position.

The Flyers decision making and performance gets them what they deserve.

Absolutely, this is a critical year for Jones, Briere and Flahr. If they can get this right the Flyers has a real chance to be good for many years to come. If you think about it, last year's team went to game 82 before they missed the playoffs. Its the same team this year + Michkov and - Hart/Quitter drama. Given the swoon from the Rangers, this Flyers team has a real shot at getting in this year.
- jd250

Funny thing on Quitter, he was non existent in last nights game…he scored as he got a deflection on a broken play, but his over all play was not noticeable what so ever…kind reminded me of a young JVR. He could use some time in the A…..There are 5-6 really good young guys on the Ducks, but they are another team that looks disjointed….I think Cronin is the next coach gassed. Not sure why they traded for Trouba…they have some young D, but now have 3-4 older d blocking them.

Absolutely, this is a critical year for Jones, Briere and Flahr. If they can get this right the Flyers has a real chance to be good for many years to come. If you think about it, last year's team went to game 82 before they missed the playoffs. Its the same team this year + Michkov and - Hart/Quitter drama. Given the swoon from the Rangers, this Flyers team has a real shot at getting in this year.
- jd250

It is highly unlikely that the draft assets the Flyers have result in moving them towards legitimate cup contention. If you think about it, being a bubble playoff team with no legit path to contention, is the worst spot to be in. You keep posting that as if it actually means anything. It does not. The Flyers getting in the playoffs this season, would not be good for the Flyers long term. It's window dressing.

Do you seriously think the Flyers are going to sit back, having Michkov and are going to wait patiently 3-5 years or longer for the players they draft in this upcoming draft to develop?

Funny thing on Quitter, he was non existent in last nights game…he scored as he got a deflection on a broken play, but his over all play was not noticeable what so ever…kind reminded me of a young JVR. He could use some time in the A…..There are 5-6 really good young guys on the Ducks, but they are another team that looks disjointed….I think Cronin is the next coach gassed. Not sure why they traded for Trouba…they have some young D, but now have 3-4 older d blocking them.
- landros 2

havent seen any ducks games. after a tough start Cutter has 12 points in 27 games. not great by any means. he is adjusting like any young player. see how he does after the halfway mark.

getting trouba on the surface I think their though process is they can move him at the deadline for a nice haul as teams like his type. Though seeign what the GM said maybe they keep him.

https://www.spotrac.com/n...e/ufa/sort/contract_value

any notable free agents in the next two years that make sense for this team long term? mainly on C or D?

not a lot I'm seeing, might take a stab at Jake Bean depending on what our d corp looks like.

The Ducks have Leo Carlsson, Beckett Sennecke, Pavel Mintyukov, Cutter Gauthier, Mason McTavish and are going to have another top 5 pick most likely in the next upcoming draft. Let's look at Chicago and SJ top prospects, also are both going to be getting another top pick in the upcoming draft. Then compare it to the Flyers. Do you not understand that when doing a true rebuild, by it's nature, it's not going to happen any time soon. It is a lengthy process.


You're right, there are no guarantees. What there is though is a method that is proven to be significantly more successful. After posting repeatedly on and on about how you need to have top 5 picks. About the Flyers needing to move up in the draft, rather by their position in the standings or by trade. You now are posting that with later picks in the draft, the Flyers have a chance to build something special. You constantly contradict your own position.

The Flyers decision making and performance gets them what they deserve.
- MJL

And they have had some guys like Zegras and Drysdale that were drafted high, but seemed to have plateaued (obviously Drysdale now on Philly)…as an organization their main concern might be the Developmental side of these kids…Zellweger on D is very talented as well.

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/_/year/2026/type/ufa/sort/contract_value

any notable free agents in the next two years that make sense for this team long term? mainly on C or D?

not a lot I'm seeing, might take a stab at Jake Bean depending on what our d corp looks like.
- gritty_committee

They have Sanheim, York, Andrae, Bonk, Drysdale and Zamula. Why Bean?

They have Sanheim, York, Andrae, Bonk, Drysdale and Zamula. Why Bean?
- MJL

he's cheap, played with sanheim in junior and like I said it will depend on if some of these guys are still around or get moved.

overall point is i didn't see anything in the next two years that made a lot of sense. that's why i'd only really entertain a depth defenseman assuming 1 or even 2 of those guys gets moved.