Their plan is to try and use trades and free agency. They view the addition of Michkov as the beginning of go time. They're just waiting for the cap to clear up and a deal or deals they like. They may very well improve the team but nowhere near legit contending status. It's ultimately going to lead to another capped out failure and another round of the cycle they've been stuck in 14 years and counting
- MJL

Maybe, if they go out and sign Steven Stamkos type free agents- not good. My guess the next move is to try and trade for a center who is underachieving relative to cap hit with term and current production. That trade will have to work out and that acquired center needs to reach top 6 center production. Just my speculation.

He’s going to be paid no matter what, and probably for 8 years, delaying that by one year or maybe at most two, is completely irrelevant. They weren’t going to be contenders or even close to that in this 3-5 year time range. What do you not understand
- ClaudeFather

What do you not understand? A year or 2? Think logically here… 2 years ago what moves at tdl day or draft DID AND COULD philly have made? What about last years tdl day and draft?

1 year is HUGE and 2 years is a GIFT. You are marginalizing what can be done in a years time and not only 1 but 2???

So if mm wasn’t here for 1 or 2 years what could be accomplished KNOWING you have this god coming? He’s a huge piece of any cup winning team. So it’s all relevant the timeline and all.


Now look what the debate is. “Rebuild”over start the rush of mm era. What could possibly go wrong by falsely believing it’s go time? Yes a year or 2 can mean everything

Maybe, if they go out and sign Steven Stamkos type free agents- not good. My guess the next move is to try and trade for a center who is underachieving relative to cap hit with term and current production. That trade will have to work out and that acquired center needs to reach top 6 center production. Just my speculation.
- Trox88

Top 6 center production isn't enough. That's what has to be understood. The Flyers have been able to get good players. Top 6 players. We need elite players. We need an elite center, an elite defenseman. A center with top 6 production would be good for the 2C spot but that in itself will just lead to the capped out not good enough position they've frequently been in. The idea is not to just improve, its to build a legit contender. Improving without actually reaching contender status is the worst thing you can do.

Their plan is to try and use trades and free agency. They view the addition of Michkov as the beginning of go time. They're just waiting for the cap to clear up and a deal or deals they like. They may very well improve the team but nowhere near legit contending status. It's ultimately going to lead to another capped out failure and another round of the cycle they've been stuck in 14 years and counting
- MJL

100% agree…

But the funniest part is they never are gonna have this mythical cap space because as they’ve shown they have no idea how to build or use cap. They will spend 50% or more of any available cap space on players they have shown over and over to target.
Nd
Rp
Seeler
Ej
Etc etc etc.


They will hand out 8 year deals to player approaching 30 years old knowing how that story goes….
See coots
See tk

What do you not understand? A year or 2? Think logically here… 2 years ago what moves at tdl day or draft DID AND COULD philly have made? What about last years tdl day and draft?

1 year is HUGE and 2 years is a GIFT. You are marginalizing what can be done in a years time and not only 1 but 2???

So if mm wasn’t here for 1 or 2 years what could be accomplished KNOWING you have this god coming? He’s a huge piece of any cup winning team. So it’s all relevant the timeline and all.


Now look what the debate is. “Rebuild”over start the rush of mm era. What could possibly go wrong by falsely believing it’s go time? Yes a year or 2 can mean everything
- Stayin alive

Pushing out that ELC matters because that also pushes back that 2nd contract. Which means you have him deeper into his prime on that second deal before needing another big deal. That's if you can get him on an 8 year deal after his ELC. It could be even worse if you don't. It gives you more time to build around the player and add. That's just one benefit if Michkov had stayed in Russia longer.

Top 6 center production isn't enough. That's what has to be understood. The Flyers have been able to get good players. Top 6 players. We need elite players. We need an elite center, an elite defenseman. A center with top 6 production would be good for the 2C spot but that in itself will just lead to the capped out not good enough position they've frequently been in. The idea is not to just improve, its to build a legit contender. Improving without actually reaching contender status is the worst thing you can do.
- MJL

100% agree that’s what should be the goal.
But they aren’t interested in building a true contender. They are interested in building profits

Flyguys back in the second wild card spot! Torts is a classic! When asked what the best play of tonight's game was he replied "when 10 to 12 players went over to congratulate Seeler in the penalty box after fighting the BJs goon"!!

Pushing out that ELC matters because that also pushes back that 2nd contract. Which means you have him deeper into his prime on that second deal before needing another big deal. That's if you can get him on an 8 year deal after his ELC. It could be even worse if you don't. It gives you more time to build around the player and add. That's just one benefit if Michkov had stayed in Russia longer.
- MJL

Yep. And I’m clearly on record of not giving 8 year deals to players approaching 30 years old except in case of clear hall of fame players. Which I think mm will be so I can easily see two 8 year deals given to him after elc

Flyguys back in the second wild card spot! Torts is a classic! When asked what the best play of tonight's game was he replied "when 10 to 12 players went over to congratulate Seeler in the penalty box after fighting the BJs goon"!!
- Phillywhiteout

Precisely why I don’t want mm anywhere near torts

What do you not understand? A year or 2? Think logically here… 2 years ago what moves at tdl day or draft DID AND COULD philly have made? What about last years tdl day and draft?

1 year is HUGE and 2 years is a GIFT. You are marginalizing what can be done in a years time and not only 1 but 2???

So if mm wasn’t here for 1 or 2 years what could be accomplished KNOWING you have this god coming? He’s a huge piece of any cup winning team. So it’s all relevant the timeline and all.


Now look what the debate is. “Rebuild”over start the rush of mm era. What could possibly go wrong by falsely believing it’s go time? Yes a year or 2 can mean everything
- Stayin alive

😂 are you this dumb, we knew he was coming. What did they do? Draft an off the board player in Luchanko. Lmao. He’s signing 8 years one this ELC is up, wouldn’t make a damn difference if it was a year later.

Top 6 center production isn't enough. That's what has to be understood. The Flyers have been able to get good players. Top 6 players. We need elite players. We need an elite center, an elite defenseman. A center with top 6 production would be good for the 2C spot but that in itself will just lead to the capped out not good enough position they've frequently been in. The idea is not to just improve, its to build a legit contender. Improving without actually reaching contender status is the worst thing you can do.
- MJL

Only underachieving top 6 forwards are available. The hope is they take the next step and become elite. Example- Sam Reinhart. Or a Jack Eichel ( medical concern and/or disgruntled with franchise) or Mark Stone playing on a crap team (yes, I consider him elite because of his two way ability when healthy)- just naming a few off the top of my head. Even PLD so far has been a net positive for the Caps.
Those are the trades that will have to be done, and succeed. We'll see if guys like Ridly Greig, Josh Norris, Shane Pinto, Marco Rossi, Dylan Cozens, or name other young forwards currently in the rumor mill get dealt, and if they get significantly better- time will tell.

Only underachieving top 6 forwards are available. The hope is they take the next step and become elite. Example- Sam Reinhart. Or a Jack Eichel ( medical concern and/or disgruntled with franchise) or Mark Stone playing on a crap team (yes, I consider him elite because of his two way ability when healthy)- just naming a few off the top of my head. Even PLD so far has been a net positive for the Caps.
Those are the trades that will have to be done, and succeed. We'll see if guys like Ridly Greig, Josh Norris, Shane Pinto, Marco Rossi, Dylan Cozens, or name other young forwards currently in the rumor mill get dealt, and if they get significantly better- time will tell.
- Trox88

Stone is elite in my opinion. Eichel was already elite when he was traded. Players like Reinhart where they explode when traded doesn't happen very often. I think the key word that you used that blows it up is hope. Rather than using a sound strategy combined with execution. The Flyers are always just hoping. They're unwilling to do what needs to be done.

Precisely why I don’t want mm anywhere near torts
- Stayin alive

Actually, during the presser he also commended MM on getting better and better with his checking. I think folks that think Torts is gonna ruin this kid need to chill and those worries will end up being unfounded. It's not like Torts hasn't dealt with ultra talented players before. As long as they work hard they will be fine. He just doesn't like lazy talent.

100% agree that’s what should be the goal.
But they aren’t interested in building a true contender. They are interested in building profits
- Stayin alive

Bingo! I'm not a hater but we can have all the theories we want and it doesn't matter. They will never change unless they stop making a profit.

😂 are you this dumb, we knew he was coming. What did they do? Draft an off the board player in Luchanko. Lmao. He’s signing 8 years one this ELC is up, wouldn’t make a damn difference if it was a year later.
- ClaudeFather

They knew he was coming this year when drafted? What about 2 years ago at tdl or draft? What about last year?
What does this teams future look like if over the last 2 years they traded assets for picks? How’s cap look? How’s the lottery tickets look? They thought it would be 3 years before he came over. Once they drafted him it should’ve been an all out assault to get rid of any player not fitting mm timeline. Instead they tried to compete for playoff spot. And piss away cutter a top 5 pick.


Ok ok ok so let’s forget all that what do they do now?

Stone is elite in my opinion. Eichel was already elite when he was traded. Players like Reinhart where they explode when traded doesn't happen very often. I think the key word that you used that blows it up is hope. Rather than using a sound strategy combined with execution. The Flyers are always just hoping. They're unwilling to do what needs to be done.
- MJL

Also the cost to obtain those players usually is significant. Which also isn’t ideal

Stone is elite in my opinion. Eichel was already elite when he was traded. Players like Reinhart where they explode when traded doesn't happen very often. I think the key word that you used that blows it up is hope. Rather than using a sound strategy combined with execution. The Flyers are always just hoping. They're unwilling to do what needs to be done.
- MJL

I understand why you would label it "hope" strategy, but it is not based upon hope from their perspective. Now, I agree with you, I preferred to trade TK and accumulate more picks and go with as many top 10 picks as possible- strip it down like CHI with Bedard. They believe they have a foundation of talent that can compete- Michkov, TK, Tippett, Sanheim (sure got lucky with Krug)- argument others currently on the roster could be added to this list. Now they will supplement with hockey trades and still drafting. They have to win big on the hockey trades. Frankly, they need to win the Gauthier- Drysdale trade
Too early to tell, IMO- especially considering what the 2nd rd pick brings. I do not believe Briere will use all 3 1st rd picks for prospects. So whatever player Briere acquires needs to have a huge impact- in that regard there is some hope involved with my hypothetical.

Flyguys back in the second wild card spot! Torts is a classic! When asked what the best play of tonight's game was he replied "when 10 to 12 players went over to congratulate Seeler in the penalty box after fighting the BJs goon"!!
- Phillywhiteout

Yes and ahead of the BJs despite the lament of some on here! I'm all about what Seeler did as Olivier is one tough dude. Seeler is tough too but not in Olivier's league. I still love that aspect of hockey, even though the rough stuff isn't the way it used to be.

Also the cost to obtain those players usually is significant. Which also isn’t ideal
- Stayin alive

Especially if you miss.

Actually, during the presser he also commended MM on getting better and better with his checking. I think folks that think Torts is gonna ruin this kid need to chill and those worries will end up being unfounded. It's not like Torts hasn't dealt with ultra talented players before. As long as they work hard they will be fine. He just doesn't like lazy talent.
- Phillywhiteout

He shiffles offensive growth and creativity. His systems and antics are not positive in today’s nhl. I don’t want mm trying to improve his defensive game. I don’t want him anywhere near a 50/50 player. I want him 90/10 in favor of offense. His d game is already at that 10. I want him putting up points and goals like Kaprizov. Does minny ever talk about Kaprizov getting better and better with his checking? No


What torts should have been pointing out was that ridiculous pass he made to frost

Bingo! I'm not a hater but we can have all the theories we want and it doesn't matter. They will never change unless they stop making a profit.
- Don Nachbaur

Sadly they don’t make much profit. And even if they don’t make profit they just double down harder to come up with whatever gimmick or marketing ploy to try harder for the profit next year.

See gritty

Cap going up to 92.5 Million next year! More money for the capped out Flyers to spend! They gonna have lots of cap space in two years!

He shiffles offensive growth and creativity. His systems and antics are not positive in today’s nhl. I don’t want mm trying to improve his defensive game. I don’t want him anywhere near a 50/50 player. I want him 90/10 in favor of offense. His d game is already at that 10. I want him putting up points and goals like Kaprizov. Does minny ever talk about Kaprizov getting better and better with his checking? No


What torts should have been pointing out was that ridiculous pass he made to frost
- Stayin alive

Come playoff time when things tighten up even the best of the best have to play defense. It doesn't EVER hurt to learn to play on the defensive side of the puck.

I understand why you would label it "hope" strategy, but it is not based upon hope from their perspective. Now, I agree with you, I preferred to trade TK and accumulate more picks and go with as many top 10 picks as possible- strip it down like CHI with Bedard. They believe they have a foundation of talent that can compete- Michkov, TK, Tippett, Sanheim (sure got lucky with Krug)- argument others currently on the roster could be added to this list. Now they will supplement with hockey trades and still drafting. They have to win big on the hockey trades. Frankly, they need to win the Gauthier- Drysdale trade
Too early to tell, IMO- especially considering what the 2nd rd pick brings. I do not believe Briere will use all 3 1st rd picks for prospects. So whatever player Briere acquires needs to have a huge impact- in that regard there is some hope involved with my hypothetical.
- Trox88

That’s true and pathetic at same time. You’re right they don’t think it’s “hope” FROM THIER PERSPECTIVE.

THat make them COMPLETELY INCOMPETENT which is the saddest part and the EXACT reason they will NEVER win another cup.

Until hopefully they actually truly change. Which I think anyone that believes they will is a fool

Yes and ahead of the BJs despite the lament of some on here! I'm all about what Seeler did as Olivier is one tough dude. Seeler is tough too but not in Olivier's league. I still love that aspect of hockey, even though the rough stuff isn't the way it used to be.
- Don Nachbaur

And it should be highlighted
It should be referenced
It should top priority


Not scoring or playing the game from the last 2 decades but rather 50 years ago