Well, they’re no longer overpaid here and we suck more than we did when they were overpaid here.
- nyrangers9479

It was clear they weren’t winning a cup with a 3rd pair $8m dman. If they paid him accordingly they could’ve added pieces around him and played him on the 3rd pair. They didn’t so had to move their cap hits. Same with goody. Great orgs draft goodrows and have them on team friendly deals. Rangers need to let their bottom 6 be home grown.

Build out a bigger tougher dcore that can skate. Draft centers and give GP a top 6 spot off the bat.

It was clear they weren’t winning a cup with a 3rd pair $8m dman. If they paid him accordingly they could’ve added pieces around him and played him on the 3rd pair. They didn’t so had to move their cap hits. Same with goody. Great orgs draft goodrows and have them on team friendly deals. Rangers need to let their bottom 6 be home grown.

Build out a bigger tougher dcore that can skate. Draft centers and give GP a top 6 spot off the bat.
- nyrangers2

That’s the biggest thing. This organization has neglected making home grown centers a priority for years. They need to start drafting and developing more centers

That’s the biggest thing. This organization has neglected making home grown centers a priority for years. They need to start drafting and developing more centers
- TPC

The league has a blueprint in the cap era.

Don’t over pay players. Specifically bottom 6 players or role players (trouba, goody). If you overpay do it for 1st line players/top pair dmen. Draft centers that can skate and have hard compete level.

Find big defenseman that can skate and retrieve pucks. Small puck movers as well but not more than one-two per team.

It was clear they weren’t winning a cup with a 3rd pair $8m dman. If they paid him accordingly they could’ve added pieces around him and played him on the 3rd pair. They didn’t so had to move their cap hits. Same with goody. Great orgs draft goodrows and have them on team friendly deals. Rangers need to let their bottom 6 be home grown.

Build out a bigger tougher dcore that can skate. Draft centers and give GP a top 6 spot off the bat.
- nyrangers2

We knew when we traded for and signed him that he was overpaid. I just dont get the urgency in getting rid of him now.

The league has a blueprint in the cap era.

Don’t over pay players. Specifically bottom 6 players or role players (trouba, goofy). If you overpay do it for 1st line players. Draft centers that can skate and have hard compete level.

Find big defenseman that can skate. Small puck movers as well but not more than one per team.
- nyrangers2

I don’t blame the rangers too much for Trouba. Before Covid the cap was rising at a nice pace and his contract would have aged out much better. Still a bit of an overpay but wouldn’t have hampered the rangers quite like it did. Goodrow was always an overpay though

We knew when we traded for and signed him that he was overpaid. I just dont get the urgency in getting rid of him now.
- Brukie

Drury had something cooking in the diner I think and then when it fell through and got leaked the entire plan fell through

Drury had something cooking in the diner I think and then when it fell through and got leaked the entire plan fell through
- nyrangers2

Trouba has been gone for weeks now and there hasnt been a trade to improve the team.

So far his plan has sucked.

This team always has had talent to win, but no heart. Thats the problem.

We knew when we traded for and signed him that he was overpaid. I just dont get the urgency in getting rid of him now.
- Brukie

I dont know if it was urgency or the fact that he was able to unload Trouba without retention and jumped on it.

Great/exciting win by Latvia. Surprised Canada went 0-8 in the shootout.
- banger94

I tell ya. Most of my buddies could be NY Ranger fans. SMH
One poor performance and they're all ready to just write them off as failures. That has to be the hardest part for these KIDS. Not trying to figure out your own game or your new teammates. But, trying to ignore the vitriol from an entire nation of Monday morning, arm-chair quarterbacks. It's shameful.

Trouba has been gone for weeks now and there hasnt been a trade to improve the team.

So far his plan has sucked.

This team always has had talent to win, but no heart. Thats the problem.
- Brukie

Their top players don’t have a big compete level. Like Point tkachcuk Crosby Mackinnon. Those guys play like machines

I don’t blame the rangers too much for Trouba. Before Covid the cap was rising at a nice pace and his contract would have aged out much better. Still a bit of an overpay but wouldn’t have hampered the rangers quite like it did. Goodrow was always an overpay though
- TPC

Problem was at the time he was worth about $6.5m. One 50 point season. $8m was and is always insane for what he offers

Problem was at the time he was worth about $6.5m. One 50 point season. $8m was and is always insane for what he offers
- nyrangers2

Problem is NY taxes. Our contracts will always be higher. For example, Jake Otttinger will bring home slightly more money than shesterkin after taxes. Even though Shesty is the highest paid goalie ever. We can say, Trouba should be worth 6.5, problem is, we wouldn’t have signed him for that… the negotiations are that he could make 6.5 somewhere else, or 8 with NY. Either way, he will walk away with the same money, but NY will always have to pay higher for players.

Problem is NY taxes. Our contracts will always be higher. For example, Jake Otttinger will bring home slightly more money than shesterkin after taxes. Even though Shesty is the highest paid goalie ever. We can say, Trouba should be worth 6.5, problem is, we wouldn’t have signed him for that… the negotiations are that he could make 6.5 somewhere else, or 8 with NY. Either way, he will walk away with the same money, but NY will always have to pay higher for players.
- fish_hoof

Taxes smackzes.... we got palm trees... Cali says hi...

Problem is NY taxes. Our contracts will always be higher. For example, Jake Otttinger will bring home slightly more money than shesterkin after taxes. Even though Shesty is the highest paid goalie ever. We can say, Trouba should be worth 6.5, problem is, we wouldn’t have signed him for that… the negotiations are that he could make 6.5 somewhere else, or 8 with NY. Either way, he will walk away with the same money, but NY will always have to pay higher for players.
- fish_hoof

Ok so Shesty goes and buys a house in Florida and makes that his residence. He now doesnt have to pay a NYC resident tax. Then what? All these big contract players are paying 37% federally on all income after $580k.

Theres many ways to defer taxable income to reduce how much you're paying.

Problem is NY taxes. Our contracts will always be higher. For example, Jake Otttinger will bring home slightly more money than shesterkin after taxes. Even though Shesty is the highest paid goalie ever. We can say, Trouba should be worth 6.5, problem is, we wouldn’t have signed him for that… the negotiations are that he could make 6.5 somewhere else, or 8 with NY. Either way, he will walk away with the same money, but NY will always have to pay higher for players.
- fish_hoof

Generally speaking that’s not how markets for anything works, especially labor. Employers in 0 state income tax states pay less, not the other way around. It sounds like it’s the same thing as saying places with income tax pay more to offset taxes but it’s not really. Ultimately it’s not really important outside of the way we are framing it but shesterkin deserves a higher cap % than oettinger

Ok so Shesty goes and buys a house in Florida and makes that his residence. He now doesnt have to pay a NYC resident tax. Then what? All these big contract players are paying 37% federally on all income after $580k.

Theres many ways to defer taxable income to reduce how much you're paying.
- aecliptic

That is also not how it works you pay taxes as an athlete for all the states you’ve played in. 50% of their game checks are taxed at the state tax rate their team plays in. It’s where the “work” is done that it’s taxed for

Pickle wants fights in here today lol

Pickle wants fights in here today lol
- TPC

It’s just math and employers’ bottom lines my friend

That is also not how it works you pay taxes as an athlete for all the states you’ve played in. 50% of their game checks are taxed at the state tax rate their team plays in. It’s where the “work” is done that it’s taxed for
- picklerick

Good article here.

[url] https://www.zeifmans.ca/a...g-some-nhl-teams-an-edge/

While yes they are taxed on away games, they play 50% at home… so states with no tax, players greatly benefit vs playing 50% in a state with high tax.

That is also not how it works you pay taxes as an athlete for all the states you’ve played in. 50% of their game checks are taxed at the state tax rate their team plays in. It’s where the “work” is done that it’s taxed for
- picklerick

Its more so about the home games. He would still pay NYS income tax, but I dont believe he pays NYC taxes, which is an additional 4% I believe.

Its more so about the home games. He would still pay NYS income tax, but I dont believe he pays NYC taxes, which is an additional 4% I believe.
- aecliptic

Why wouldn’t he pay nyc tax?

Why wouldn’t he pay nyc tax?
- picklerick

I gotta look at my pay stub, I think its a resident tax not an income tax.

I gotta look at my pay stub, I think its a resident tax not an income tax.
- aecliptic

Yea that sounds right actually

Bottom line, Shesty is appropriately paid from a cap % in my humble opinion and oettinger is not in the same tier

I think residency will change the taxes on games not played in NY. Because youre still paying taxes in NY on games not played here.

Yea that sounds right actually

Bottom line, Shesty is appropriately paid from a cap % in my humble opinion and oettinger is not in the same tier
- picklerick

You know theres ways around it. Accountants and CPAs get paid a lot of money to find loopholes in tax codes for people making big money.