Now do Soucy and Myers next! I dislike both and would be happy if both were moved.
- bloatedmosquito

Need some vet stability/voices... and I think Soucy can still be a decent player. Soucy has one more year after this one, and Myers can be traded easily after next season.

Now do Soucy and Myers next! I dislike both and would be happy if both were moved.
- bloatedmosquito

Soucy still has potential, he wasn't a Benning choice.

Need some vet stability/voices... and I think Soucy can still be a decent player. Soucy has one more year after this one, and Myers can be traded easily after next season.
- NewYorkNuck

You’re no fun.

This is the best news I’ve heard all year.

But seriously, I hope to god that NYR go all in on Miller and over pay. It would be nice for the Canucks to cash in on this trade.
- bloatedmosquito

It's the 2nd!

Soucy still has potential, he wasn't a Benning choice.
- Danny Bomber

Regardless of who gets traded, I hope they bring in size and aggression. So tired of small hockey. It’s ok in the regular season but come playoffs, our team plays so small.

Maybe bigger players will reduce the amount of injuries? There must be a way to reduce the constant injuries that plague this team.

It's the 2nd!

- VanHockeyGuy

That’s why I said “but seriously” after that comment.

Oooh baby

I put that Sean Avery JTM for Chytil and K'andre Miller idea out the other day, but if Drury is gonna do bad things, I wonder if they'd send Schneider instead?

JTM + Desharnais or Juulsen for Chytil and Schneider
Hoglander + pick or D prospect or whatever is needed for Byram

Hughes - Hronek
Byram - Schneider
Soucy - Myers
- NewYorkNuck

That would be ideal if Drury is motivated enough. I'm sure it will take awhile to put any deal together.

This is the best news I’ve heard all year.

But seriously, I hope to god that NYR go all in on Miller and over pay. It would be nice for the Canucks to cash in on this trade.
- bloatedmosquito

Me too! You know, I was reading an article this morning about winning a trade in small pieces, such as the Linden trade, which brought back Bertuzzi, McCabe & Ruutu. The Bure trade which brought back Ed Jovanovski.

Point being, you don't have to slam dunk a trade even if you're trading the better player. You don't have to get the better player if you identify quality skill and depth in your return, which would make your team better in the long run.

Cap is such a huge part of it now though.

Me too! You know, I was reading an article this morning about winning a trade in small pieces, such as the Linden trade, which brought back Bertuzzi, McCabe & Ruutu. The Bure trade which brought back Ed Jovanovski.

Point being, you don't have to slam dunk a trade even if you're trading the better player. You don't have to get the better player if you identify quality skill and depth in your return, which would make your team better in the long run.

Cap is such a huge part of it now though.
- Pacificgem

Definitely agree. Cap and age. Two major factors.

Regardless of who gets traded, I hope they bring in size and aggression. So tired of small hockey. It’s ok in the regular season but come playoffs, our team plays so small.

Maybe bigger players will reduce the amount of injuries? There must be a way to reduce the constant injuries that plague this team.
- bloatedmosquito

The Canucks are slow'ish...they need to improve their speed. I would love if they traded Boeser, who I like, with Miller to get some younger, faster players. If they play heavier, bonus.

Miller, Boeser & Desharnais + for Chytil, Cuylle and a young defenceman.

lol that's the danger as well.
- LordHumungous

He’s talking about K’Andre.

What will be the sweetener in the Pouty trade?

What will be the sweetener in the Pouty trade?
- Reubenkincade

Hoggy...they are best buds, it's best if they go together to make the transition easier.

Regardless of who gets traded, I hope they bring in size and aggression. So tired of small hockey. It’s ok in the regular season but come playoffs, our team plays so small.

Maybe bigger players will reduce the amount of injuries? There must be a way to reduce the constant injuries that plague this team.
- bloatedmosquito

I miss violent hockey.

https://bleacherreport.co...-fighters-in-team-history

Hoggy...they are best buds, it's best if they go together to make the transition easier.
- Pacificgem

Not sure any team is taking 2 cap dumps

I miss violent hockey.

https://bleacherreport.co...-fighters-in-team-history
- Danny Bomber

You knuckle dragger

The Canucks are slow'ish...they need to improve their speed. I would love if they traded Boeser, who I like, with Miller to get some younger, faster players. If they play heavier, bonus.

Miller, Boeser & Desharnais + for Chytil, Cuylle and a young defenceman.
- Pacificgem

Trade them separate. for a better return, that return itself would be garbage.
Miller likely goes to NYR as one of the few teams he would waive to. I assume Mika needs to come back for cap purposes, but likely some retention on him

Miller + Desharnais for Zib(2m retained) + Miller + 2025 1st(top 5 protected) or something like this
Zib is having a bad year, but still a 2nd line C at worst and 6.5 is not the worst cap hit for him.
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Maybe we could swing Boeser to the canes for Morrow?

The gives us a right side in a year or two of hronek, morrow, willander

In my opinion, this freefalling mess the Canucks have found themselves in started when they gave a middle six grinder top player money. When Miller signed that great contract (he should have, good for him), the hockey world was like...."WTF did I just see!?!" Even Miller himself went public saying that he didn't feel that he deserved it but he will try his hardest to live up to it, again...good for him.

But when the elite players on the team, with so much more skill and such higher ceilings (Boeser, Petterson) see this, and see how much attention this middle six grinder is getting, they will sometimes tend to withdraw. Then when Miller, trying his best, becomes more vocal and is just trying to motivate the team, the top guys are like "dude, just who the f do you think you are? I skate circles around you all week long". Now there's some trouble brewing.

So now Miller is pissed off because nobody listens to him but he feels like a leader (he's paid like one), but he doesn't have the skill to back it up. The top skill guys are basically jealous and annoyed at this middle sixer bossing them around, and the MOST important aspect of all of this is that their team captain (who is totally and utterly amazing) is f63kn 20years old!!! Now you have the superstars whining and not skating and the "leader" who is significantly overpaid struggling with guilt and identity issues.

This is a situation that could have been cleaned up quickly with a captain or leader that would just tell them all to STFU and play. I thought Tochett would do this but sometimes it's just a players issue and the coach's voice doesn't land. The Oilers had a very similar situation with Horcoff trying to lead a group of young superstars that did not respect his play at all (I'm sure they respected HIM, but when your capitain/leader is the 4th or 5th best fwd...it has to come from somewhere else too).

Anyway, that's what I see with the Canucks. I would trade Miller (the mental stuff will likely persist, unfortunately) and stick with the skill guys and wait for Hughes to start leading. Meanwhile you'll get pretty decent players for Miller.

In my opinion, this freefalling mess the Canucks have found themselves in started when they gave a middle six grinder top player money. When Miller signed that great contract (he should have, good for him), the hockey world was like...."WTF did I just see!?!" Even Miller himself went public saying that he didn't feel that he deserved it but he will try his hardest to live up to it, again...good for him.

But when the elite players on the team, with so much more skill and such higher ceilings (Boeser, Petterson) see this, and see how much attention this middle six grinder is getting, they will sometimes tend to withdraw. Then when Miller, trying his best, becomes more vocal and is just trying to motivate the team, the top guys are like "dude, just who the f do you think you are? I skate circles around you all week long". Now there's some trouble brewing.

So now Miller is pissed off because nobody listens to him but he feels like a leader (he's paid like one), but he doesn't have the skill to back it up. The top skill guys are basically jealous and annoyed at this middle sixer bossing them around, and the MOST important aspect of all of this is that their team captain (who is totally and utterly amazing) is f63kn 20years old!!! Now you have the superstars whining and not skating and the "leader" who is significantly overpaid struggling with guilt and identity issues.

This is a situation that could have been cleaned up quickly with a captain or leader that would just tell them all to STFU and play. I thought Tochett would do this but sometimes it's just a players issue and the coach's voice doesn't land. The Oilers had a very similar situation with Horcoff trying to lead a group of young superstars that did not respect his play at all (I'm sure they respected HIM, but when your capitain/leader is the 4th or 5th best fwd...it has to come from somewhere else too).

Anyway, that's what I see with the Canucks. I would trade Miller (the mental stuff will likely persist, unfortunately) and stick with the skill guys and wait for Hughes to start leading. Meanwhile you'll get pretty decent players for Miller.
- JLO961

Miller is point a game or better player that’s not middle 6 production.

In my opinion, this freefalling mess the Canucks have found themselves in started when they gave a middle six grinder top player money. When Miller signed that great contract (he should have, good for him), the hockey world was like...."WTF did I just see!?!" Even Miller himself went public saying that he didn't feel that he deserved it but he will try his hardest to live up to it, again...good for him.

But when the elite players on the team, with so much more skill and such higher ceilings (Boeser, Petterson) see this, and see how much attention this middle six grinder is getting, they will sometimes tend to withdraw. Then when Miller, trying his best, becomes more vocal and is just trying to motivate the team, the top guys are like "dude, just who the f do you think you are? I skate circles around you all week long". Now there's some trouble brewing.

So now Miller is pissed off because nobody listens to him but he feels like a leader (he's paid like one), but he doesn't have the skill to back it up. The top skill guys are basically jealous and annoyed at this middle sixer bossing them around, and the MOST important aspect of all of this is that their team captain (who is totally and utterly amazing) is f63kn 20years old!!! Now you have the superstars whining and not skating and the "leader" who is significantly overpaid struggling with guilt and identity issues.

This is a situation that could have been cleaned up quickly with a captain or leader that would just tell them all to STFU and play. I thought Tochett would do this but sometimes it's just a players issue and the coach's voice doesn't land. The Oilers had a very similar situation with Horcoff trying to lead a group of young superstars that did not respect his play at all (I'm sure they respected HIM, but when your capitain/leader is the 4th or 5th best fwd...it has to come from somewhere else too).

Anyway, that's what I see with the Canucks. I would trade Miller (the mental stuff will likely persist, unfortunately) and stick with the skill guys and wait for Hughes to start leading. Meanwhile you'll get pretty decent players for Miller.
- JLO961

In my opinion, this freefalling mess the Canucks have found themselves in started when they gave a middle six grinder top player money. When Miller signed that great contract (he should have, good for him), the hockey world was like...."WTF did I just see!?!" Even Miller himself went public saying that he didn't feel that he deserved it but he will try his hardest to live up to it, again...good for him.

But when the elite players on the team, with so much more skill and such higher ceilings (Boeser, Petterson) see this, and see how much attention this middle six grinder is getting, they will sometimes tend to withdraw. Then when Miller, trying his best, becomes more vocal and is just trying to motivate the team, the top guys are like "dude, just who the f do you think you are? I skate circles around you all week long". Now there's some trouble brewing.

So now Miller is pissed off because nobody listens to him but he feels like a leader (he's paid like one), but he doesn't have the skill to back it up. The top skill guys are basically jealous and annoyed at this middle sixer bossing them around, and the MOST important aspect of all of this is that their team captain (who is totally and utterly amazing) is f63kn 20years old!!! Now you have the superstars whining and not skating and the "leader" who is significantly overpaid struggling with guilt and identity issues.

This is a situation that could have been cleaned up quickly with a captain or leader that would just tell them all to STFU and play. I thought Tochett would do this but sometimes it's just a players issue and the coach's voice doesn't land. The Oilers had a very similar situation with Horcoff trying to lead a group of young superstars that did not respect his play at all (I'm sure they respected HIM, but when your capitain/leader is the 4th or 5th best fwd...it has to come from somewhere else too).

Anyway, that's what I see with the Canucks. I would trade Miller (the mental stuff will likely persist, unfortunately) and stick with the skill guys and wait for Hughes to start leading. Meanwhile you'll get pretty decent players for Miller.
- JLO961

That is a very long winded troll attempt. Keep it shorter next time.

That is a very long winded troll attempt. Keep it shorter next time.
- Retinalz

This is what happens when someone is breast-fed until they are 11.

In my opinion, this freefalling mess the Canucks have found themselves in started when they gave a middle six grinder top player money. When Miller signed that great contract (he should have, good for him), the hockey world was like...."WTF did I just see!?!" Even Miller himself went public saying that he didn't feel that he deserved it but he will try his hardest to live up to it, again...good for him.

But when the elite players on the team, with so much more skill and such higher ceilings (Boeser, Petterson) see this, and see how much attention this middle six grinder is getting, they will sometimes tend to withdraw. Then when Miller, trying his best, becomes more vocal and is just trying to motivate the team, the top guys are like "dude, just who the f do you think you are? I skate circles around you all week long". Now there's some trouble brewing.

So now Miller is pissed off because nobody listens to him but he feels like a leader (he's paid like one), but he doesn't have the skill to back it up. The top skill guys are basically jealous and annoyed at this middle sixer bossing them around, and the MOST important aspect of all of this is that their team captain (who is totally and utterly amazing) is f63kn 20years old!!! Now you have the superstars whining and not skating and the "leader" who is significantly overpaid struggling with guilt and identity issues.

This is a situation that could have been cleaned up quickly with a captain or leader that would just tell them all to STFU and play. I thought Tochett would do this but sometimes it's just a players issue and the coach's voice doesn't land. The Oilers had a very similar situation with Horcoff trying to lead a group of young superstars that did not respect his play at all (I'm sure they respected HIM, but when your capitain/leader is the 4th or 5th best fwd...it has to come from somewhere else too).

Anyway, that's what I see with the Canucks. I would trade Miller (the mental stuff will likely persist, unfortunately) and stick with the skill guys and wait for Hughes to start leading. Meanwhile you'll get pretty decent players for Miller.
- JLO961

So sweet, thanks Jennifer

Excellent...

Based on what Elliotte is saying the team is listening on both JT and EP because the stress of the situation is spilling over to other parts of the organization and both Tocchet and Hughes are tired of it.

Excellent...

Based on what Elliotte is saying the team is listening on both JT and EP because the stress of the situation is spilling over to other parts of the organization and both Tocchet and Hughes are tired of it.
- VanHockeyGuy

Can only bet. Good on them. Captain don't need do drama on his team. Trade Miller