What I'm going to keep pumping is common sense because that's all that is needed to confront the nonsense you offer. I did not name a single stat in that reply. Using common sense, a player isn't going to be nominated as a finalist for the Selke trophy if he is a soft player. My comment was not refuting anyone's opinion on whether it is a smart move for the Flyers to go after Marner. Just your ridiculous comment that he is soft. You're also wrong about it being a max contract. It wouldn't be near that.

I'll finish with this. How has Travis Konecny done in the playoffs? Yet you keep pumping him as the face of the franchise.
- MJL

Much better than Travis Dermott and Jeremy Bracco.

Bitterly,

Leafs Nation

Imagine having both Zeev and Gabe Perrault in the pipeline
- TobyFlenderson

They’re both too small to play for the Flyers. Talent doesnt matter. This is Flyers hockey and they need to be hulking Adonis’s to play the right way, the Flyers way.

Think about it, how can anyone have any faith in this organization.

- paid the 13th overall + for Risto.

- Wasted a 5th overall pick with next to nothing to show for it.

- drafting a dman because of need and not the BPA.

- Drafted a guy who if he hits his ceiling is a 2nd line center over a guy who if he hits his ceiling is a top pair dman.

- not moving on from players because you refuse to trade them (such a winning pedigre) or they are extended.

Have they even started to build around MM yet? I am not seeing it. Just a rudderless franchise. No real plan. Taking it week by week. Day by day
- login

BINGO!

Much better than Travis Dermott and Jeremy Bracco.

Bitterly,

Leafs Nation
- Atomic Wedgie

Speaking of Bracco, what the hell ever happened to him? Last I knew, he had a couple of very good years in the AHL. Did he ever play a game in the NHL?

OH... And congrats to Team USA! That was a great game.

Really hoping the Flyers can keep getting these OT points. Adds to the amusement of it all. The rigged NHL system to keep up a competitive facade. The teams that fall for said facade, aka the Flyers. Also the gullible fans that keep perpetuating said system with cock-eyed optimism and false hope.

Very very amusing!

Really hoping the Flyers can keep getting these OT points. Adds to the amusement of it all. The rigged NHL system to keep up a competitive facade. The teams that fall for said facade, aka the Flyers. Also the gullible fans that keep perpetuating said system with cock-eyed optimism and false hope.

Very very amusing!
- StepfordSam

Beyond amusing. They have 9 fn regulation wins. This team and franchise is a joke. To fall from being at the top to rock bottom is something never though would see.

they keep just spinning their wheels at best. Hope and luck is a great plann

Beyond amusing. They have 9 fn regulation wins. This team and franchise is a joke. To fall from being at the top to rock bottom is something never though would see.

they keep just spinning their wheels at best. Hope and luck is a great plann
- login

Yet they view themselves as the gold standard. Completely indoctrinated.

Yet they view themselves as the gold standard. Completely indoctrinated.
- StepfordSam

yep. the quality and traits they value they 100% believe will lead to winning a cup. danny b is such a putz. the other 2 stooges just frauds.

Beyond amusing. They have 9 fn regulation wins. This team and franchise is a joke. To fall from being at the top to rock bottom is something never though would see.

they keep just spinning their wheels at best. Hope and luck is a great plann
- login

Tied for worst in the league with San Jose.

Speaking of Bracco, what the hell ever happened to him? Last I knew, he had a couple of very good years in the AHL. Did he ever play a game in the NHL?

OH... And congrats to Team USA! That was a great game.
- Letterkenney

Never played an NHL game.

Leafs didn't give him a second contract.

Looking at his Wiki page, the Hurricanes gave him a 2-way, he couldn't make the big club, so they agreed to mutual termination of said contract, and he's been playing in Europe ever since.

Classic tweener - too good for AHL, not good enough for NHL.

IIRC, he had no defensive game.

From Pronman:

Standouts
Zeev Buium, LHD, USA (Minnesota)

Buium didn’t get the points his teammate Cole Hutson did, but he was clearly USA’s best defenseman and a guy they leaned on to play massive minutes in the important games including a 30-minute performance in the semifinal against Czechia. Buium’s talent is obvious. He’s an outstanding skater with a high skill level and great hockey sense. He makes so much happen around the puck, but what I was also impressed by was his defending. There weren’t many chances going against USA when he was on the ice, showing a compete level that some NHL scouts questioned going into last year’s draft.

Disappointments
Team Canada
I was tempted to list about 10 different Canadian players, but it makes sense to group their collective disaster of a tournament together. Be it players like Jett Luchanko, who broke camp with the Philadelphia Flyers this fall, providing almost no offense; reigning OHL MVP Easton Cowan (Toronto) looking lost at times with the puck; two-point-per-game top 2025 draft prospect Porter Martone struggling with the pace; AHLer Bradly Nadeau (Carolina) being a passenger most of the tournament; or the two London defensemen, Oliver Bonk (Philadelphia) and Sam Richardinson (San Jose), being very ordinary after torching the OHL — and there were plenty of other names to list — it was a tournament of disappointments for Team Canada.


From Wheeler:

Jett Luchanko (F, Philadelphia Flyers): I wanted to see more offense and for him to be more noticeable at five-on-five, where I thought his game was vanilla, but he was Canada’s best penalty killer for me. Excellent routes/skating/pressure points made him a really valuable PKer. Used more late in games with the lead. Overpassing at times when I wanted to see him try to take charge. Skating is a real asset, for sure. Good poise on the puck later in the tournament. His best game was against USA. I wonder how much offense he’s going to bring at the NHL level but there’s a lot of value elsewhere in his game.


I get we are years away from truly knowing if picking Jett vs Zeev was the right pick (it wasn't) but I MUCH rather have a core of MM39, Zeev, Perreault and CG than Drysdale, Jett and Bonk.

And some wonder why this franchise is such a joke

Just wait until the Jett lights it up. He is gonna fly around the ice so fast and backcheck so hard Tortorella and Jonesy are gonna have to go to the ER for having an erection lasting longer than 4 hours.
- StepfordSam

I was imagining it every Team USA game I watched.
- MBFlyerfan

The ones that got away. I think Bonk and Jett are NHLers. But watching Zeev and Perrault, they both look like they could be high end NHLers. The kind of players this team continues to lack.

Think about it, how can anyone have any faith in this organization.

- paid the 13th overall + for Risto.

- Wasted a 5th overall pick with next to nothing to show for it.

- drafting a dman because of need and not the BPA.

- Drafted a guy who if he hits his ceiling is a 2nd line center over a guy who if he hits his ceiling is a top pair dman.

- not moving on from players because you refuse to trade them (such a winning pedigre) or they are extended.

Have they even started to build around MM yet? I am not seeing it. Just a rudderless franchise. No real plan. Taking it week by week. Day by day
- login

I think this is what is the funniest thing: the pass on Perrault because they 'need' defensemen, so they take Bonk. One year later they 'need' centers so they pass on Zeev. This team NEEDS talent. I don't care where they play. Yes, I'd love it if they have some projectable centers in the pool. Preferably ones that won't top out as really fast third liners. But they still lack any top end defensemen in they system and their best wing prospect is now in the NHL. Yet their argument of passing on Zeev is because of Andrae, York and Drysdale (one has already been sent down, another healthy scratched this year and the last one looks completely lost at times). The other argument floating around about his agent is even funnier. Absolute gold standard, new era of bullpoop.

I think this is what is the funniest thing: the pass on Perrault because they 'need' defensemen, so they take Bonk. One year later they 'need' centers so they pass on Zeev. This team NEEDS talent. I don't care where they play. Yes, I'd love it if they have some projectable centers in the pool. Preferably ones that won't top out as really fast third liners. But they still lack any top end defensemen in they system and their best wing prospect is now in the NHL. Yet their argument of passing on Zeev is because of Andrae, York and Drysdale (one has already been sent down, another healthy scratched this year and the last one looks completely lost at times). The other argument floating around about his agent is even funnier. Absolute gold standard, new era of bullpoop.
- TobyFlenderson

it is maddening but this is the New Era of Orange! They can't seem to get out of their own way. As login said: hope and luck is the plan.

The room ™️ & the golden standard culture!
- THE EVIL WITHIN

👍

From Pronman:

Standouts
Zeev Buium, LHD, USA (Minnesota)

Buium didn’t get the points his teammate Cole Hutson did, but he was clearly USA’s best defenseman and a guy they leaned on to play massive minutes in the important games including a 30-minute performance in the semifinal against Czechia. Buium’s talent is obvious. He’s an outstanding skater with a high skill level and great hockey sense. He makes so much happen around the puck, but what I was also impressed by was his defending. There weren’t many chances going against USA when he was on the ice, showing a compete level that some NHL scouts questioned going into last year’s draft.

Disappointments
Team Canada
I was tempted to list about 10 different Canadian players, but it makes sense to group their collective disaster of a tournament together. Be it players like Jett Luchanko, who broke camp with the Philadelphia Flyers this fall, providing almost no offense; reigning OHL MVP Easton Cowan (Toronto) looking lost at times with the puck; two-point-per-game top 2025 draft prospect Porter Martone struggling with the pace; AHLer Bradly Nadeau (Carolina) being a passenger most of the tournament; or the two London defensemen, Oliver Bonk (Philadelphia) and Sam Richardinson (San Jose), being very ordinary after torching the OHL — and there were plenty of other names to list — it was a tournament of disappointments for Team Canada.


From Wheeler:

Jett Luchanko (F, Philadelphia Flyers): I wanted to see more offense and for him to be more noticeable at five-on-five, where I thought his game was vanilla, but he was Canada’s best penalty killer for me. Excellent routes/skating/pressure points made him a really valuable PKer. Used more late in games with the lead. Overpassing at times when I wanted to see him try to take charge. Skating is a real asset, for sure. Good poise on the puck later in the tournament. His best game was against USA. I wonder how much offense he’s going to bring at the NHL level but there’s a lot of value elsewhere in his game.


I get we are years away from truly knowing if picking Jett vs Zeev was the right pick (it wasn't) but I MUCH rather have a core of MM39, Zeev, Perreault and CG than Drysdale, Jett and Bonk.

And some wonder why this franchise is such a joke



- Flyfly

Not saying the Flyers made the right pick but Pronman and Wheeler are both full of crap as are most prospect rankers. Luchanko barely played. Hard to look good when your getting no minutes at even strength.

Never played an NHL game.

Leafs didn't give him a second contract.

Looking at his Wiki page, the Hurricanes gave him a 2-way, he couldn't make the big club, so they agreed to mutual termination of said contract, and he's been playing in Europe ever since.

Classic tweener - too good for AHL, not good enough for NHL.

IIRC, he had no defensive game.
- Atomic Wedgie

Thanks for the info. My '97 birth year son played AAA and played against him a lot from the time they were 8 years old. 20 or more times, at least. As they got older and into their teens, he really didn't pay much attention to D because he didn't have to against even Tier 1 competition. He was a very skilled skater and point producing machine, even into Jr's and playing with AM 34 for the USNTDP Program. But, when he got with the big boys, it appears he never learned the lessons needed and he wasn't prolific enough at scoring at the NHL level for teams to look the other way.

yep. the quality and traits they value they 100% believe will lead to winning a cup. danny b is such a putz. the other 2 stooges just frauds.
- login

From Pronman:

Standouts
Zeev Buium, LHD, USA (Minnesota)

Buium didn’t get the points his teammate Cole Hutson did, but he was clearly USA’s best defenseman and a guy they leaned on to play massive minutes in the important games including a 30-minute performance in the semifinal against Czechia. Buium’s talent is obvious. He’s an outstanding skater with a high skill level and great hockey sense. He makes so much happen around the puck, but what I was also impressed by was his defending. There weren’t many chances going against USA when he was on the ice, showing a compete level that some NHL scouts questioned going into last year’s draft.

Disappointments
Team Canada
I was tempted to list about 10 different Canadian players, but it makes sense to group their collective disaster of a tournament together. Be it players like Jett Luchanko, who broke camp with the Philadelphia Flyers this fall, providing almost no offense; reigning OHL MVP Easton Cowan (Toronto) looking lost at times with the puck; two-point-per-game top 2025 draft prospect Porter Martone struggling with the pace; AHLer Bradly Nadeau (Carolina) being a passenger most of the tournament; or the two London defensemen, Oliver Bonk (Philadelphia) and Sam Richardinson (San Jose), being very ordinary after torching the OHL — and there were plenty of other names to list — it was a tournament of disappointments for Team Canada.


From Wheeler:

Jett Luchanko (F, Philadelphia Flyers): I wanted to see more offense and for him to be more noticeable at five-on-five, where I thought his game was vanilla, but he was Canada’s best penalty killer for me. Excellent routes/skating/pressure points made him a really valuable PKer. Used more late in games with the lead. Overpassing at times when I wanted to see him try to take charge. Skating is a real asset, for sure. Good poise on the puck later in the tournament. His best game was against USA. I wonder how much offense he’s going to bring at the NHL level but there’s a lot of value elsewhere in his game.


I get we are years away from truly knowing if picking Jett vs Zeev was the right pick (it wasn't) but I MUCH rather have a core of MM39, Zeev, Perreault and CG than Drysdale, Jett and Bonk.

And some wonder why this franchise is such a joke



- Flyfly

Absolutely NAILED IT!!!

Thanks for the info. My '97 birth year son played AAA and played against him a lot from the time they were 8 years old. 20 or more times, at least. As they got older and into their teens, he really didn't pay much attention to D because he didn't have to against even Tier 1 competition. He was a very skilled skater and point producing machine, even into Jr's and playing with AM 34 for the USNTDP Program. But, when he got with the big boys, it appears he never learned the lessons needed and he wasn't prolific enough at scoring at the NHL level for teams to look the other way.
- Letterkenney

what orginization?

Not saying the Flyers made the right pick but Pronman and Wheeler are both full of crap as are most prospect rankers. Luchanko barely played. Hard to look good when your getting no minutes at even strength.
- psuhockey

The point being I rather have one group of prospects that we could have had compared to what the Flyers currently have.

From Pronman:

Standouts
Zeev Buium, LHD, USA (Minnesota)

Buium didn’t get the points his teammate Cole Hutson did, but he was clearly USA’s best defenseman and a guy they leaned on to play massive minutes in the important games including a 30-minute performance in the semifinal against Czechia. Buium’s talent is obvious. He’s an outstanding skater with a high skill level and great hockey sense. He makes so much happen around the puck, but what I was also impressed by was his defending. There weren’t many chances going against USA when he was on the ice, showing a compete level that some NHL scouts questioned going into last year’s draft.

Disappointments
Team Canada
I was tempted to list about 10 different Canadian players, but it makes sense to group their collective disaster of a tournament together. Be it players like Jett Luchanko, who broke camp with the Philadelphia Flyers this fall, providing almost no offense; reigning OHL MVP Easton Cowan (Toronto) looking lost at times with the puck; two-point-per-game top 2025 draft prospect Porter Martone struggling with the pace; AHLer Bradly Nadeau (Carolina) being a passenger most of the tournament; or the two London defensemen, Oliver Bonk (Philadelphia) and Sam Richardinson (San Jose), being very ordinary after torching the OHL — and there were plenty of other names to list — it was a tournament of disappointments for Team Canada.


From Wheeler:

Jett Luchanko (F, Philadelphia Flyers): I wanted to see more offense and for him to be more noticeable at five-on-five, where I thought his game was vanilla, but he was Canada’s best penalty killer for me. Excellent routes/skating/pressure points made him a really valuable PKer. Used more late in games with the lead. Overpassing at times when I wanted to see him try to take charge. Skating is a real asset, for sure. Good poise on the puck later in the tournament. His best game was against USA. I wonder how much offense he’s going to bring at the NHL level but there’s a lot of value elsewhere in his game.


I get we are years away from truly knowing if picking Jett vs Zeev was the right pick (it wasn't) but I MUCH rather have a core of MM39, Zeev, Perreault and CG than Drysdale, Jett and Bonk.

And some wonder why this franchise is such a joke



- Flyfly

I don't understand. You first make a statement that "we are years away from truly knowing" but then you follow that up with "the franchise is a joke"? So this is your default position then? The franchise is a joke unless proven otherwise years from now?

Do you think the Canada coach and his usage of players had anything to do with Canada's performance in this tournament? Do you think if Jett was actually playing more than 15-16 shifts in a game and playing with high level wingers he might have produced more? There are plenty of examples of players that have looked great in the WJCs and then did squat in the NHL, and likewise there are a lot of examples of players that looked ordinary in the WJCs that turned out to be very good in the NHL. Why don't we let these 18 and 19 year olds develop and then see where we are?

Not saying the Flyers made the right pick but Pronman and Wheeler are both full of crap as are most prospect rankers. Luchanko barely played. Hard to look good when your getting no minutes at even strength.
- psuhockey

Exactly, or when you are the team's best penalty killer. Bonk was on the second pairing, whereas Richardinson was on the first for the entire tournament. Its easier to look ordinary on the 2nd pairing than the first. I thought Bonk looked good on the powerplay when he got the chance. I thin the Canada coach was abysmal in this entire tournament.

The ones that got away. I think Bonk and Jett are NHLers. But watching Zeev and Perrault, they both look like they could be high end NHLers. The kind of players this team continues to lack.
- TobyFlenderson

That's why Torts passed on them. He wants middling (at best) grinders. To continue the path in never-ever land=nomansland.