I don't understand. You first make a statement that "we are years away from truly knowing" but then you follow that up with "the franchise is a joke"? So this is your default position then? The franchise is a joke unless proven otherwise years from now?

Do you think the Canada coach and his usage of players had anything to do with Canada's performance in this tournament? Do you think if Jett was actually playing more than 15-16 shifts in a game and playing with high level wingers he might have produced more? There are plenty of examples of players that have looked great in the WJCs and then did squat in the NHL, and likewise there are a lot of examples of players that looked ordinary in the WJCs that turned out to be very good in the NHL. Why don't we let these 18 and 19 year olds develop and then see where we are?
- jd250

You provide more excuses than a child who gets caught when doing something wrong.

This franchise is not a joke? How can you say with a straight face they have not been a joke for over a decade? JFC you lick the marble bags of the triumvirate on a daily basis.

Simply stated: I would rather have prospect pool A rather than prospect pool B. We could have had A but let's keep hoping for luck and reaching with players. Can't wait for you to one day realize how much of a kool aid drinker you are - just like what happened with Fletcher.

I don't understand. You first make a statement that "we are years away from truly knowing" but then you follow that up with "the franchise is a joke"? So this is your default position then? The franchise is a joke unless proven otherwise years from now?

Do you think the Canada coach and his usage of players had anything to do with Canada's performance in this tournament? Do you think if Jett was actually playing more than 15-16 shifts in a game and playing with high level wingers he might have produced more? There are plenty of examples of players that have looked great in the WJCs and then did squat in the NHL, and likewise there are a lot of examples of players that looked ordinary in the WJCs that turned out to be very good in the NHL. Why don't we let these 18 and 19 year olds develop and then see where we are?
- jd250

If that is the case then why did you make a recent statement that Luchanko has already shown that he is a top 6 NHL center? If Luchanko is the player that you and the Flyers think he is. He should've been able to make more of an impact than he reportedly did. Meanwhile, pundits are raving about Buium.

Exactly, or when you are the team's best penalty killer. Bonk was on the second pairing, whereas Richardinson was on the first for the entire tournament. Its easier to look ordinary on the 2nd pairing than the first. I thought Bonk looked good on the powerplay when he got the chance. I thin the Canada coach was abysmal in this entire tournament.
- jd250

Second pairing defenseman get plenty of ice time. It's a best of the best roster in the WJC. Nobody is playing with stiffs. LOL

Can we all agree that if the Flyers appeared to have a content plan to become contenders, saw that plan implemented, and actually observed the plan showing progress, we would all be on board?

I am in the “this ain’t no plan” category. For those who think the Flyers are executing a cogent plan to become a contender, please tell me what the plan is. I’m not being a smarta$$ I’m being for real. I don’t see it and I know I’m feeling pretty negative.

If MM39 is the centerpiece, who are the players being put around him?

If draft picks are the plan, I’m all honesty, how do Jett, Bonk, and these three picks somewhere between 8 and 32 project as far as elite talent?

Where do the Flyers get a 1C and 1D for this team with in the same age area as MM39?

Where is the 2C coming from?

How about goaltending?

What’s the goal for this years squad in moving forward on this plan?

Again, I’m not being an a$$ I really want to know what I’m missing?

Exactly, or when you are the team's best penalty killer. Bonk was on the second pairing, whereas Richardinson was on the first for the entire tournament. Its easier to look ordinary on the 2nd pairing than the first. I thought Bonk looked good on the powerplay when he got the chance. I thin the Canada coach was abysmal in this entire tournament.
- jd250

Bonk was paired with Richardinson for a few games in the tournament. He also easily had more minutes than Sam and only finished with less than 20 in one of the games. There is no lineup listing Richardinson on the top pair.

Can we all agree that if the Flyers appeared to have a content plan to become contenders, saw that plan implemented, and actually observed the plan showing progress, we would all be on board?

I am in the “this ain’t no plan” category. For those who think the Flyers are executing a cogent plan to become a contender, please tell me what the plan is. I’m not being a smarta$$ I’m being for real. I don’t see it and I know I’m feeling pretty negative.

If MM39 is the centerpiece, who are the players being put around him?

If draft picks are the plan, I’m all honesty, how do Jett, Bonk, and these three picks somewhere between 8 and 32 project as far as elite talent?

Where do the Flyers get a 1C and 1D for this team with in the same age area as MM39?

Where is the 2C coming from?

How about goaltending?

What’s the goal for this years squad in moving forward on this plan?

Again, I’m not being an a$$ I really want to know what I’m missing?
- mikeyo27

Blind faith. That is what you are missing.

Can we all agree that if the Flyers appeared to have a content plan to become contenders, saw that plan implemented, and actually observed the plan showing progress, we would all be on board?

I am in the “this ain’t no plan” category. For those who think the Flyers are executing a cogent plan to become a contender, please tell me what the plan is. I’m not being a smarta$$ I’m being for real. I don’t see it and I know I’m feeling pretty negative.

If MM39 is the centerpiece, who are the players being put around him?

If draft picks are the plan, I’m all honesty, how do Jett, Bonk, and these three picks somewhere between 8 and 32 project as far as elite talent?

Where do the Flyers get a 1C and 1D for this team with in the same age area as MM39?

Where is the 2C coming from?

How about goaltending?

What’s the goal for this years squad in moving forward on this plan?

Again, I’m not being an a$$ I really want to know what I’m missing?
- mikeyo27

The Flyers plan is simple. They're going to go through this pause that has been needed due to their own incompetence. Take the luck that came with Michkov. Use and or trade some of the picks they have coming up. Once the cap clears up they're going to return to the same aggressiveness using trades and free agency that they've using for over a decade that has gotten them no where. They think if they hit on those moves, they'll raise up to contention level. They won't in my opinion.

Can we all agree that if the Flyers appeared to have a content plan to become contenders, saw that plan implemented, and actually observed the plan showing progress, we would all be on board?

I am in the “this ain’t no plan” category. For those who think the Flyers are executing a cogent plan to become a contender, please tell me what the plan is. I’m not being a smarta$$ I’m being for real. I don’t see it and I know I’m feeling pretty negative.

If MM39 is the centerpiece, who are the players being put around him?

If draft picks are the plan, I’m all honesty, how do Jett, Bonk, and these three picks somewhere between 8 and 32 project as far as elite talent?

Where do the Flyers get a 1C and 1D for this team with in the same age area as MM39?

Where is the 2C coming from?

How about goaltending?

What’s the goal for this years squad in moving forward on this plan?

Again, I’m not being an a$$ I really want to know what I’m missing?
- mikeyo27

I think JD250 needs to answer this one

Can we all agree that if the Flyers appeared to have a content plan to become contenders, saw that plan implemented, and actually observed the plan showing progress, we would all be on board?

I am in the “this ain’t no plan” category. For those who think the Flyers are executing a cogent plan to become a contender, please tell me what the plan is. I’m not being a smarta$$ I’m being for real. I don’t see it and I know I’m feeling pretty negative.

If MM39 is the centerpiece, who are the players being put around him?

If draft picks are the plan, I’m all honesty, how do Jett, Bonk, and these three picks somewhere between 8 and 32 project as far as elite talent?

Where do the Flyers get a 1C and 1D for this team with in the same age area as MM39?

Where is the 2C coming from?

How about goaltending?

What’s the goal for this years squad in moving forward on this plan?

Again, I’m not being an a$$ I really want to know what I’m missing?
- mikeyo27

Think about it from the Flyers perspective. In their view and some of the fans, they already have a 1D in Sanheim. They’re going to make a run at it with this group of players. Acquiring Michov was the end of the “rebuild”, not the beginning. Its go time as soon as the cap allows.

Can we all agree that if the Flyers appeared to have a content plan to become contenders, saw that plan implemented, and actually observed the plan showing progress, we would all be on board?

I am in the “this ain’t no plan” category. For those who think the Flyers are executing a cogent plan to become a contender, please tell me what the plan is. I’m not being a smarta$$ I’m being for real. I don’t see it and I know I’m feeling pretty negative.

If MM39 is the centerpiece, who are the players being put around him?

If draft picks are the plan, I’m all honesty, how do Jett, Bonk, and these three picks somewhere between 8 and 32 project as far as elite talent?

Where do the Flyers get a 1C and 1D for this team with in the same age area as MM39?

Where is the 2C coming from?

How about goaltending?

What’s the goal for this years squad in moving forward on this plan?

Again, I’m not being an a$$ I really want to know what I’m missing?
- mikeyo27

Briere’s plan is to keep his job as long as possible. You do that by making draft picks and signing free agents. Losing trades is a much faster path to having the paying fan base turn on you. Jones’s plan is to the sell the crap product to the fan base until the cap clears up.

Briere’s plan is to keep his job as long as possible. You do that by making draft picks and signing free agents. Losing trades is a much faster path to having the paying fan base turn on you. Jones’s plan is to the sell the crap product to the fan base until the cap clears up.
- psuhockey

Bang on.

Success is just a bonus.

We hear it from Myrtetus or Bill all the time, and you can bet your ass they know the thinking of the organization’s top men.

“Just get in, and see where the chips fall”
“Just hate, hate the idea of tanking”

They will proudly make the playoffs in a wildcard slot, and think that’s enough.

Maintaining the Flyer legacy, the brand, the image of hard work over skill - is more important.

Jones, and Briere might as well be politicians. Gaslighting scumbags.

You provide more excuses than a child who gets caught when doing something wrong.

This franchise is not a joke? How can you say with a straight face they have not been a joke for over a decade? JFC you lick the marble bags of the triumvirate on a daily basis.

Simply stated: I would rather have prospect pool A rather than prospect pool B. We could have had A but let's keep hoping for luck and reaching with players. Can't wait for you to one day realize how much of a kool aid drinker you are - just like what happened with Fletcher.
- Flyfly

I cant really say which prospect pool is better and I really don't see how you can either. We are yeaers away before we can say which group will be better. All I can say with confidence with confidence right now is Luchanko was not put in the best position by the coach to show what he was capable of at the WJCs this year.

If that is the case then why did you make a recent statement that Luchanko has already shown that he is a top 6 NHL center? If Luchanko is the player that you and the Flyers think he is. He should've been able to make more of an impact than he reportedly did. Meanwhile, pundits are raving about Buium.
- MJL

More fantasy from you. I have never made a statement that Luchanko has already shown that he is a top 6 NHL center. I said instead that I think he can be a top 6 center in the NHL, that his ceiling is higher than the 3rd line center that some had him pegged to be before he was drafted. I think Luchanko did make a good impact for Canada in this tourney, he was clearly their best player on the PK and flashed his speped several times. The issue I had was he didn't play all that much 5v5 nor on the PP, and I think that was a coaching mistake.

Buium had a good tourney and like I posted yesterday, that pass he made in OT for the game winner was top notch. BUT I will say it again, until both players are playing in the NHL, we can't possibly sit here and judge anything.

Bonk was paired with Richardinson for a few games in the tournament. He also easily had more minutes than Sam and only finished with less than 20 in one of the games. There is no lineup listing Richardinson on the top pair.
- TobyFlenderson

Bonk was moved up to play with Richardson only after Matthew Schaefer got hurt against Latvia. Before that happened, Schaefer and Richardson were paired.

More fantasy from you. I have never made a statement that Luchanko has already shown that he is a top 6 NHL center. I said instead that I think he can be a top 6 center in the NHL, that his ceiling is higher than the 3rd line center that some had him pegged to be before he was drafted. I think Luchanko did make a good impact for Canada in this tourney, he was clearly their best player on the PK and flashed his speped several times. The issue I had was he didn't play all that much 5v5 nor on the PP, and I think that was a coaching mistake.

Buium had a good tourney and like I posted yesterday, that pass he made in OT for the game winner was top notch. BUT I will say it again, until both players are playing in the NHL, we can't possibly sit here and judge anything.
- jd250

flyers are salivating to turn him into the next peter zezel

More fantasy from you. I have never made a statement that Luchanko has already shown that he is a top 6 NHL center. I said instead that I think he can be a top 6 center in the NHL, that his ceiling is higher than the 3rd line center that some had him pegged to be before he was drafted. I think Luchanko did make a good impact for Canada in this tourney, he was clearly their best player on the PK and flashed his speped several times. The issue I had was he didn't play all that much 5v5 nor on the PP, and I think that was a coaching mistake.

Buium had a good tourney and like I posted yesterday, that pass he made in OT for the game winner was top notch. BUT I will say it again, until both players are playing in the NHL, we can't possibly sit here and judge anything.
- jd250

You talk so much nonsense that you don't even remember. Your exact statement was that he proved he was a top 6 NHL center. Myself and a number of other posters called you out on it. Why was it a coaching mistake, because he is Flyers prospect? What is another of your famous sayings. Ice time is earned, not given. When the same argument is given to you about other players, you balk. It's just inconsistency after inconsistency. Contradiction after contradiction. That is all present in your posting because you have no real knowledge. No actual insight into the game .It's a guarantee that you will give yourself away and make a comment on a Flyers prospect and I'll be there to remind you that we can't sit here and judge anything.
You still can't grasp that all the current information points to Buium being the better choice including reportedly with how he played in the WJC,

Can we all agree that if the Flyers appeared to have a content plan to become contenders, saw that plan implemented, and actually observed the plan showing progress, we would all be on board?

I am in the “this ain’t no plan” category. For those who think the Flyers are executing a cogent plan to become a contender, please tell me what the plan is. I’m not being a smarta$$ I’m being for real. I don’t see it and I know I’m feeling pretty negative.

If MM39 is the centerpiece, who are the players being put around him?

If draft picks are the plan, I’m all honesty, how do Jett, Bonk, and these three picks somewhere between 8 and 32 project as far as elite talent?

Where do the Flyers get a 1C and 1D for this team with in the same age area as MM39?

Where is the 2C coming from?

How about goaltending?

What’s the goal for this years squad in moving forward on this plan?

Again, I’m not being an a$$ I really want to know what I’m missing?
- mikeyo27

There are a few ways the Flyers can obtain a 1C and 1D, 1. by getting lucky in the draft as they did with Michkov drafting out of the top 5 and then developing properly, 2. trading for an established but young player that might become available for whetever reason, for example there are rumours about Pettersson in Vancouver possibly being available, or a player like Marner whom I don't like or a young player that just needs a change of scenary, and then 3. once the team is closer to true contention and has cap space, signing a top FA if one is there.

The Flyers will be clearing up cap space which is a good thing because it gives them flexibility, they have plenty of draft capital with 6 picks in the first two rounds, plus they have a few veteran players contending teams will want for a playoff run, like Risto and Laughton. I am not so worried about the remaining contract term because some teams that see themselves as competing for multiple years will welcome the cost certainty.

So the plan is simple. The Flyers must first figure out what they have in their system right now, clear cap space and continue to accumulate draft capital so they have multiple shots of hitting on a player, even later in the draft. This is how you d do it. Tanking is for losers, which as you can see the Sabres are once against the worst team in the Eastern conference.

You talk so much nonsense that you don't even remember. Your exact statement was that he proved he was a top 6 NHL center. Myself and a number of other posters called you out on it. Why was it a coaching mistake, because he is Flyers prospect? What is another of your famous sayings. Ice time is earned, not given. When the same argument is given to you about other players, you balk. It's just inconsistency after inconsistency. Contradiction after contradiction. That is all present in your posting because you have no real knowledge. No actual insight into the game .It's a guarantee that you will give yourself away and make a comment on a Flyers prospect and I'll be there to remind you that we can't sit here and judge anything.
You still can't grasp that all the current information points to Buium being the better choice including reportedly with how he played in the WJC,
- MJL

This is what you do, make up whatever fantasy you want, but you are simply lying. I stand by my statement, we'll see in a few years if draft Luchanko over Buium was a mistake or not. You just hate the Flyers so you will grasp on to anything you can to cheer for them to fail. How sad you are. All I know is Luchanko has played 4 pro games. How many pro games has Buium played?

Briere’s plan is to keep his job as long as possible. You do that by making draft picks and signing free agents. Losing trades is a much faster path to having the paying fan base turn on you. Jones’s plan is to the sell the crap product to the fan base until the cap clears up.
- psuhockey

Step 1. Look like you are doing something, it doesn't matter what it is.
Step 2. Never explain the details of the plan. Without details how can anyone prove the plan is bad or not working?
Step 3. Never admit a mistake.
Step 4. PR the poop out of it. Everything you do, from what you ate for breakfast to what movie you watched on Netflix is part of "the plan". Since nobody has specifics, who can prove it isn't?
Step 5. Collect paycheck until someone decides to ask what the plan actually is.

Bang on.

Success is just a bonus.

We hear it from Myrtetus or Bill all the time, and you can bet your ass they know the thinking of the organization’s top men.

“Just get in, and see where the chips fall”
“Just hate, hate the idea of tanking”

They will proudly make the playoffs in a wildcard slot, and think that’s enough.

Maintaining the Flyer legacy, the brand, the image of hard work over skill - is more important.

Jones, and Briere might as well be politicians. Gaslighting scumbags.
- flyer_nutter

There are a few ways the Flyers can obtain a 1C and 1D, 1. by getting lucky in the draft as they did with Michkov drafting out of the top 5 and then developing properly, 2. trading for an established but young player that might become available for whetever reason, for example there are rumours about Pettersson in Vancouver possibly being available, or a player like Marner whom I don't like or a young player that just needs a change of scenary, and then 3. once the team is closer to true contention and has cap space, signing a top FA if one is there.

The Flyers will be clearing up cap space which is a good thing because it gives them flexibility, they have plenty of draft capital with 6 picks in the first two rounds, plus they have a few veteran players contending teams will want for a playoff run, like Risto and Laughton. I am not so worried about the remaining contract term because some teams that see themselves as competing for multiple years will welcome the cost certainty.

So the plan is simple. The Flyers must first figure out what they have in their system right now, clear cap space and continue to accumulate draft capital so they have multiple shots of hitting on a player, even later in the draft. This is how you d do it. Tanking is for losers, which as you can see the Sabres are once against the worst team in the Eastern conference.
- jd250

More contradictions and more inconsistencies. Just last week you posted that the Flyers need to sell off veterans and try to get in the top 10. You posted that picking later in the draft isn't going to move the needle. The exact phrasing you used. Now you're posting "this is how you'd do it.
You still can't, using common sense figure out that the Sabres are only one team and that many, many other teams have been successful by breaking it down and drafting high in the draft. No matter how many times that is explained to you, you can't grasp it.

This is what you do, make up whatever fantasy you want, but you are simply lying. I stand by my statement, we'll see in a few years if draft Luchanko over Buium was a mistake or not. You just hate the Flyers so you will grasp on to anything you can to cheer for them to fail. How sad you are. All I know is Luchanko has played 4 pro games. How many pro games has Buium played?
- jd250

You just did it again, contradicting recent statements that picking later in the draft doesn't move the needle. More evidence that I'm indeed correct. Your childish rants about how I hate the Flyers as well as more evidence of not understanding player development. As if the Flyers incompetent decision to keep Luchanko on the Flyers actually means anything. You also apparently don't understand that Buium is an NCAA player. Just more evidence in my favor.

Konecny has never carried a team to the playoffs or played in the playoffs. He's just not a winner. Marner has. He wasn't nominated, he was voted as a finalist for the Selke trophy. You can't be considered one of the best 2 way players and one of the best defensive forwards in the league if you're soft. Marner has put up 49 points in 57 playoff games. I know you don't care because you don't like to deal in facts. You deal in fantasy.
- MJL

But Marner has? Dont get me wrong. Marner is higher talent but lets not pretend he doesnt have Matthews, Nylander and Tavares to work with. What has Konecny had? Frost, Tippett, Coots, Foerster?

Konecny is the only player on the Flyers outside of Michkov that can hit a Point per game. Coots hasnt been there for 4 years. Marner is not only capable of a point per game earlier in his career but hes also played with multiple point per game players his entire career.

There are a few ways the Flyers can obtain a 1C and 1D, 1. by getting lucky in the draft as they did with Michkov drafting out of the top 5 and then developing properly, 2. trading for an established but young player that might become available for whetever reason, for example there are rumours about Pettersson in Vancouver possibly being available, or a player like Marner whom I don't like or a young player that just needs a change of scenary, and then 3. once the team is closer to true contention and has cap space, signing a top FA if one is there.

The Flyers will be clearing up cap space which is a good thing because it gives them flexibility, they have plenty of draft capital with 6 picks in the first two rounds, plus they have a few veteran players contending teams will want for a playoff run, like Risto and Laughton. I am not so worried about the remaining contract term because some teams that see themselves as competing for multiple years will welcome the cost certainty.

So the plan is simple. The Flyers must first figure out what they have in their system right now, clear cap space and continue to accumulate draft capital so they have multiple shots of hitting on a player, even later in the draft. This is how you d do it. Tanking is for losers, which as you can see the Sabres are once against the worst team in the Eastern conference.
- jd250

You are as predictable as a morning dump when it comes to defending the Flyers.

Why do you always mention buffalo yet leave out the successful teams?

But Marner has? Dont get me wrong. Marner is higher talent but lets not pretend he doesnt have Matthews, Nylander and Tavares to work with. What has Konecny had? Frost, Tippett, Coots, Foerster?

Konecny is the only player on the Flyers outside of Michkov that can hit a Point per game. Coots hasnt been there for 4 years. Marner is not only capable of a point per game earlier in his career but hes also played with multiple point per game players his entire career.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

So now you're getting the point and what that comment was meant to illicit. That playoff failure for a team shouldn't be placed on one player just as failure of a team getting to the playoffs shouldn't be placed on one player. Therefore, the Leafs playoff failures is not evidence that Marner is a soft player. Thanks.