So D Barkey, seems he is on a tear, full disclosure I don’t follow the D1 scoring rates, how is his, does it bode well for him being a great pick?
- wcorvette

He is on a tear…when I watch him, he just looks tiny. Skilled but, he looks like he’s 150 LBs….. his points are back to lasts years level, or pretty close. He did have Mono in the summer so a slow start was expected, but he appears full go now.

How has this been debunked? How would anyone really know at this point? What we do know is 10 passed on him…SJ did it twice. 5 other D went ahead of him. I was surprised the Flyers passed on him, but so did a bunch of other teams.
- landros 2

The theory that some are trying to use is that since Buium went where he went in the draft, that maybe he's not that good of a player as people think in trying to defend the Flyers passing on him. People that are informed and have strong knowledge of the players in the draft explained potential reasons why that happened. a bunch of teams passed on Michkov also.

I also don't understand why some keep going with the how would any really know at this point argument. If we apply that standard, then lets end all conversation on the draft and prospects. Because how does anyone really know at this point?

The theory that some are trying to use is that since Buium went where he went in the draft, that maybe he's not that good of a player as people think in trying to defend the Flyers passing on him. People that are informed and have strong knowledge of the players in the draft explained potential reasons why that happened. a bunch of teams passed on Michkov also.

I also don't understand why some keep going with the how would any really know at this point argument. If we apply that standard, then lets end all conversation on the draft and prospects. Because how does anyone really know at this point?
- MJL

the draft was what 6 months ago, no one knows at this point dipsh!t. You and the resident expert pretending Jett has failed miserably after 18 games sound like morons

He is on a tear…when I watch him, he just looks tiny. Skilled but, he looks like he’s 150 LBs….. his points are back to lasts years level, or pretty close. He did have Mono in the summer so a slow start was expected, but he appears full go now.
- landros 2

It’s going to be a tough spot for him to make the team and stay in a scoring role, log jam at the wings, small player, hopefully some spots open up.

the draft was what 6 months ago, no one knows at this point dipsh!t. You and the resident expert pretending Jett has failed miserably after 18 games sound like morons
- ClaudeFather

You have reading comprehension issues and your responses stem from your insecurity. Nobody, including myself has stated, implied or even remotely suggested that Luchanko has failed miserably after 18 games. What on earth are you talking about? This is why I normally ignore you.

It’s going to be a tough spot for him to make the team and stay in a scoring role, log jam at the wings, small player, hopefully some spots open up.
- ClaudeFather

How could you possibly know that at this point? LMAO

You have reading comprehension issues and your responses stem from your insecurity. Nobody, including myself has stated, implied or even remotely suggested that Luchanko has failed miserably after 18 games. What on earth are you talking about? This is why I normally ignore you.
- MJL

What are you saying Cliff, let’s hear it? That he’s not performing well enough and that he’s falling behind his peers? Take a franking hike. His season just started.

How could you possibly know that at this point? LMAO
- MJL

Would you like me to list the wingers on the team? Who’s spot do you see him taking…

The theory that some are trying to use is that since Buium went where he went in the draft, that maybe he's not that good of a player as people think in trying to defend the Flyers passing on him. People that are informed and have strong knowledge of the players in the draft explained potential reasons why that happened. a bunch of teams passed on Michkov also.

I also don't understand why some keep going with the how would any really know at this point argument. If we apply that standard, then lets end all conversation on the draft and prospects. Because how does anyone really know at this point?
- MJL

My point is simple ….not just for you, all debates on 18 year old prospects, (well almost all) should come with that caveat….pro scouts don’t even agree on a lot of these kids. Kids develop at different stages and levels…I’m not ready to crucify DB and company just yet. I see what the Flyers see in Luchanko. He has world class speed, great vision and is at a fantastic fitness level. He is also very young, with a ton of potential to still develop into a lot more than we see now.
I think we all agree now that Nolan Patrick was a bust….but we really didn’t know that for 3 years and a couple mysterious injuries that derailed his career. Back in the day a guy like Tim Kerr couldn’t even get drafted.

But the expectation of Jett is too high

Tippett had 74 points in 54 gams at 19 years old in the OHL. 1.37 PPG. He has turned out fine

Jack Quinn 89 points in 62 games at 18

Foerster 80 in 62 games.

There are plenty of guys who didnt have crazy numbers who have become good NHL players.

Examples of guys with Crazy numbers in the OHL are like Rossi, WyJo, Wright, J.Robertson ect. Luchenko has a very small chance to have that kind of ceiling.

Even if he was doing that well it means nothing. Frost had 109 points in 58 games and we've seen how he has developed. Bergeron came out of the QMHL and was barely a PPG player and he ended up as a #1C.

Juniors success doesnt mean as much as people make it out to be. Players succeed in juniors and bust in the NHL.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

That's what happens when the team bypasses a top pairing defenseman (a team need) for a player of Luchenko's skill set. Then rush him to the NHL for his 4 games...you expect more because of the hype the team has put behind him. He should be standing out as a top 15 pick, and he is just one of the pack.

It’s going to be a tough spot for him to make the team and stay in a scoring role, log jam at the wings, small player, hopefully some spots open up.
- ClaudeFather

Time will tell. He has NHL skill…not sure on the other attributes if they will be good enough.

Time will tell. He has NHL skill…not sure on the other attributes if they will be good enough.
- landros 2

Especially if torts is still here, small guy not scoring and you’re immediately in the doghouse .

Especially if torts is still here, small guy not scoring and you’re immediately in the doghouse .
- ClaudeFather

By the time a kid like Barkey is ready I think Torts will be long gone…at that’s my hope.

Morgan Frost
D+0: 0.92
D+1: 1.67 (+82% improvement)

Travis Konecny
D+0: 1.13
D+1: 1.68 (+47% improvement)

Denver Barkey
D+0: 0.97
D+1: 1.59 (+64% improvement)

Jett Luchanko
D+0: 1.08
D+1: 1.27 (+17% improvement)


Starting to see what the issue is?

Especially for a kid like Jett who had big question marks about his offensive upside prior to the draft. There needs to be a sizable step forward taken and he hasn't taken it yet.
- Tomahawk

Ok, but lets look a little closer here. First, Frost is not even a top 6 NHL center. I'm sure since you are putting it on Luchanko to have a better improvement in the OHL in his D+1 year, you will also put it on Frost for not developing into a better NHL player. Denver Barkey had a nice jump playing for one of the best and most loaded teams in the OHL, and yet he may never amount to much as an NHL player given his size. So IMO these numbers mean nothing. Luchanko is going to be a top 6 center in the NHL. Look beyond these meaningless stats and mark it down!

You will find very few hockey scouts, virtually zero once you exclude the Flyers organization, that think Luchanko will be a better pro than Buium.

The Flyers brass always think they are the smartest guys in the room. How’s that worked out for them over the last decade?
- BiggE

Who cares? All I care about is that Luchanko develops into a legitimate top 6 NHL center for the Flyers. What Buium develops into is of no concern since he doesn't play for the Flyers.

My point is simple ….not just for you, all debates on 18 year old prospects, (well almost all) should come with that caveat….pro scouts don’t even agree on a lot of these kids. Kids develop at different stages and levels…I’m not ready to crucify DB and company just yet. I see what the Flyers see in Luchanko. He has world class speed, great vision and is at a fantastic fitness level. He is also very young, with a ton of potential to still develop into a lot more than we see now.
I think we all agree now that Nolan Patrick was a bust….but we really didn’t know that for 3 years and a couple mysterious injuries that derailed his career. Back in the day a guy like Tim Kerr couldn’t even get drafted.
- landros 2

They do come with that caveat. I think everyone knows that player evaluations for prospects is inexact science and nothing is 100%. It's that way even for professionals. I don't know why that needs to be clarified. Ryan Poehling has world class speed and strong fitness level. Again, nobody is saying that Luchanko is a bust. Universally, everyone agrees that Luchanko is going to be a good player. That is not the debate.

Ok, but lets look a little closer here. First, Frost is not even a top 6 NHL center. I'm sure since you are putting it on Luchanko to have a better improvement in the OHL in his D+1 year, you will also put it on Frost for not developing into a better NHL player. Denver Barkey had a nice jump playing for one of the best and most loaded teams in the OHL, and yet he may never amount to much as an NHL player given his size. So IMO these numbers mean nothing. Luchanko is going to be a top 6 center in the NHL. Look beyond these meaningless stats and mark it down!
- jd250

Your post is completely empty. You offer nothing to support your opinion that Luchanko is going to be a top 6 NHL center. It's just rhetoric. You ignore historical data that is an indicator just because you want to have blind hope. It's not intelligent

Who cares? All I care about is that Luchanko develops into a legitimate top 6 NHL center for the Flyers. What Buium develops into is of no concern since he doesn't play for the Flyers.
- jd250

Of course it is a concern in the context of the conversation. Which is whether the Flyers made the right choice in picking Luchanko over Buium. It's paramount to the conversation.

Maybe he's not getting proper coaching like Ristolainen who was never properly coached until he came to the Flyers.
- MJL

Oh please, will you stop embarrassing yourself. Risto is once again the Flyers best defenseman and its not even close at this point. You just have to admit you were wrong about him, and your ultimate embarrassment will come when the Flyers get a nice return for Risto at the deadline this year.

(frank) cutter hope someone takes him out
- 2Real

YES!

Ok, but lets look a little closer here. First, Frost is not even a top 6 NHL center. I'm sure since you are putting it on Luchanko to have a better improvement in the OHL in his D+1 year, you will also put it on Frost for not developing into a better NHL player. Denver Barkey had a nice jump playing for one of the best and most loaded teams in the OHL, and yet he may never amount to much as an NHL player given his size. So IMO these numbers mean nothing. Luchanko is going to be a top 6 center in the NHL. Look beyond these meaningless stats and mark it down!
- jd250

like JOB?

I personally think the Flyers drafted Luchanko for his speed, his 200 foot game and his intangibles. The Flyers as an organization continue to ridiculously overrate some values in a player. I just hope he becomes more than a faster, smaller Scott Laughton.
- MJL

Do you think its possible the Flyers were informed by Buium's agent, the same agent as Quitter, that Buium did not want to play for them and to not draft him, and that is why they passed on him? Similar to what Michkov told other teams his draft year. I am asking because last night I was told by someone I trust that they heard runmblings this was a real possibility.

What are you saying Cliff, let’s hear it? That he’s not performing well enough and that he’s falling behind his peers? Take a franking hike. His season just started.
- ClaudeFather

I'll explain to you what the conversation actually is since you obviously can't follow it. Nobody has said that Luchanko is a failure. Nobody has said that he won't be an NHL player. In fact most, including myself have said that we think he is going to be a good NHL player. It's about his upside and what level of an NHL player is he going to be. As Tomahawk and others have said, generally for a junior player to develop into a high end NHL scorer. That player normally has a large jump in point production in his D+1 year. Generally when a player doesn't, that normally means that he won't be a high end NHL point producer. There is also another ongoing conversation about the Flyers passing over Buium for Luchanko as all current signs for Buium point to him being a potential #1 NHL defenseman. A top need for the Flyers while Luchanko currently projects to be a middle 6 center.
Nothing in the entire conversation suggests that Luchanko will be a failure. Nothing!


Now back to ignoring you for obvious reasons.

Oh please, will you stop embarrassing yourself. Risto is once again the Flyers best defenseman and its not even close at this point. You just have to admit you were wrong about him, and your ultimate embarrassment will come when the Flyers get a nice return for Risto at the deadline this year.
- jd250

Your post does the work for me.

https://www.nytimes.com/a...rs-philadelphia-reaction/

Gauthier, once thought to be a key piece of the Flyers’ ongoing rebuild, was asked if he had any message for the Philadelphia fans who are still displeased with the way everything transpired.

“I just wish they knew the truth, I would say that,” he said. “But other than that, I’m not here to please everyone. I’m here to do what’s best for me and do what’s right for my development, and that’s what I’m working towards.”