cates is a better center than Laughton by a big margin imo. Move both.

Depends on what value Cates has that is hard to say to me.
- login

I wouldn’t move Cates.

Cates, and really that whole line is playing up on their toes and doing a great job. It would be very good for this organization if Cates can continue this. He is the epitome of a 200ft player who plays the right way…he doesn’t skate very pretty, but he’s very sound. If you can get 20 goals and 40 points out of a guy like that then that’s a keeper. Add in they through him out as a C when he had played wing most of his life. That’s impressive.
- landros 2

no denying he has been really good lately. that goal last night was a beauty.

what are you re-signing him for?
- login

Bridge deal…2 years X 3 mil…. This is my guess today….if he goes the next 20 games with no goals…my thinking might change. I think you wait to see how the year plays out and sign him in the summer. No rush.

I wouldn’t move Cates.
- landros 2

I would stick w Cates as well. Just not believing they would trade The Room.

disregard the current play by Cates and I would still pick Cates. Frost just needs a change of scenery frankly. It is never going to work in Philly. I would expect that he is traded eventually.
- Flyfly

I agree. If Frost has any chance to improve and solidify himself, it's not going to be here under Tortorella. For his sake, I hope he is traded. Cates will always be a strong defender. I doubt his current level of offensive production is going to be long term but still a useful player without it.

I agree. If Frost has any chance to improve and solidify himself, it's not going to be here under Tortorella. For his sake, I hope he is traded. Cates will always be a strong defender. I doubt his current level of offensive production is going to be long term but still a useful player without it.
- MJL

His production lately might help getting him moved.

I wouldn’t move Cates.
- landros 2

I would in the right deal. only 1 player is on the untouchable list

I would in the right deal. only 1 player is on the untouchable list
- login

That goes without saying…lol…anybody can be traded.

Bridge deal…2 years X 3 mil…. This is my guess today….if he goes the next 20 games with no goals…my thinking might change. I think you wait to see how the year plays out and sign him in the summer. No rush.
- landros 2

he is at what 2.6 now? so to me a bridge deal would be at east 3.5. I would be in no rush to go long term.

I fully expect an ext by the EOM

I’ll believe it when I see it with Briere. Frost is actually playing himself in to a tradable asset….Farabee probably has a couple of teams willing to buy low on him. I will give you this. Risto was easily their best d man last night. Briere has been spewing the same narrative for a year and a half. Great they have these guys they can move….now we just need a capable, competent GM to actually get things done. But I guess in Flyer land it’s more valuable to get into the top 20, just miss the playoffs and take the 23rd best prospect again…..wash, rinse, repeat.
- landros 2

I think that Frost has always been a tradeable asset. The issue is that Frost struggling in the front part of the season and then getting better in the 2nd half is becoming a pattern. That has to be corrected if he is going to reach a 2C level.

Ristolainen was not good last night. Most of the Flyers defenseman weren't. Zamula was their best defenseman last night overall.

could not say it any better. we have had 3 years of evaluations and the triumverate are still evaluating? We know what these players are at this point. it is the truly the definition of paralysis by analysis.
- Flyfly

The Flyers are in a holding pattern. They know what they want to do and are trying to do it. They know they likely have to wait for the cap to clear up to give them more flexibility. The evaluating talk is just cover for that.

That goes without saying…lol…anybody can be traded.
- landros 2

right but he isnt on any list to say I need to keep him is all. I like Cates always have. Though were does he fit long term? be 26 in Feb and how much more is there to extract in his game from an offensive POV. What is his role in 4/5 years?

Keep that line the rest of the year unless it just goes south. As we both said no hurry for any long term deal.

His production lately might help getting him moved.
- landros 2

It might but it reminds of an Elton John song. I've seen that movie too.

If Tortorella said the sun wasn't coming up tomorrow in a presser, he would believe it.
- MJL

This is not going to help you ..

I think that Frost has always been a tradeable asset. The issue is that Frost struggling in the front part of the season and then getting better in the 2nd half is becoming a pattern. That has to be corrected if he is going to reach a 2C level.

Ristolainen was not good last night. Most of the Flyers defenseman weren't. Zamula was their best defenseman last night overall.
- MJL

sure he is tradable. not one person thinks otherwise. it is all about the return. flyers wanted a 1st for him at the 2023 draft. obviously, they didnt get it.

what do you think he will garner in a trade? throw something out there don't just he is tradable.

I am very concerned decisions will be made on Cates based on a really hot streak and in dire need of centers within the organization. Cates was a 5th rd pick and even before this hot streak has already exceeded expectations. To believe he will remain even remotely close to last month's production over the next couple of years I feel is very risky. I would have another team take that bet instead.

The Flyers are in a holding pattern. They know what they want to do and are trying to do it. They know they likely have to wait for the cap to clear up to give them more flexibility. The evaluating talk is just cover for that.
- MJL

actually they dont.

I am very concerned decisions will be made on Cates based on a really hot streak and in dire need of centers within the organization. Cates was a 5th rd pick and even before this hot streak has already exceeded expectations. To believe he will remain even remotely close to last month's production over the next couple of years I feel is very risky. I would have another team take that bet instead.
- Trox88

I really think there are teams out there that can really use a player like Cates for the bottom 6. Toronto being one of them. If you're dead set on keeping Laughton, which they shouldn't be. Then they should explore moving Cates.

I really think there are teams out there that can really use a player like Cates for the bottom 6. Toronto being one of them. If you're dead set on keeping Laughton, which they shouldn't be. Then they should explore moving Cates.
- MJL

Agreed

I’ll believe it when I see it with Briere. Frost is actually playing himself in to a tradable asset….Farabee probably has a couple of teams willing to buy low on him. I will give you this. Risto was easily their best d man last night. Briere has been spewing the same narrative for a year and a half. Great they have these guys they can move….now we just need a capable, competent GM to actually get things done. But I guess in Flyer land it’s more valuable to get into the top 20, just miss the playoffs and take the 23rd best prospect again…..wash, rinse, repeat.
- landros 2

There ya go!! We need more people like you on this forum willing to admit it.

Regarding Briere, I just don't get the narrative that he is not a competent GM. He has only been in the job 17 months. ALL GMs have their good moments and their bad monents. No GM is perfect. I think there has been far more good with Briere than bad. Some trolls on this forum with a clear agenda have pinned the Quitter Gauthier issue on Briere, but I think that is not only inaccurate, its completely unfair. Quitter still is hiding and does not want to answer questions. Briere came out right away. Which one do you believe or should you believe at this point? Its really common sense.

But for the good, dumping Hayes was a great move. Trying to trade Sanheim also worked out well in the end because it lit a fire under Sanheim's butt. Getting something for Gauthier in the end will be a great move. You saw last night what Drysdale is capable of. If he can stay on the ice, I think Drysdale is going to develop under Shaw to be a very good defenseman. The Walker trade last deadline for a 1st round pick. The Provorov trade was an absolute stroke of genious. Getting Michkov over here only after 1 season, and secretly courting Michkov before the draft. I mean, come on, Briere has done a lot of good work here.

Besides the Quitter criticism, and of course the fact that Briere has not fired Torts, the other big criticism is his drafting of Luchanko over Buium. We'll see how this turns out. Its way too early to judge this draft choice. What else can be criticized at this point? Obviously if Briere has a poor deadline we can bash him for that, but I don't think he will.

That goes without saying…lol…anybody can be traded.
- landros 2

right but he isnt on any list to say I need to keep him is all. I like Cates always have. Though were does he fit long term? be 26 in Feb and how much more is there to extract in his game from an offensive POV. What is his role in 4/5 years?

Keep that line the rest of the year unless it just goes south. As we both said no hurry for any long term deal.

I am very concerned decisions will be made on Cates based on a really hot streak and in dire need of centers within the organization. Cates was a 5th rd pick and even before this hot streak has already exceeded expectations. To believe he will remain even remotely close to last month's production over the next couple of years I feel is very risky. I would have another team take that bet instead.
- Trox88

I think Cates should make it really easy for Briere to trade Laughton at this point. Cates is a younger, better, version of Laughton that is actually better at center than wing. Cates is only going to get better at this point. He can play in all situations and in all three zones, and his confidence is swelling. He has a bit of Mike Richards in him also, which I like. Cates is part of the solution here.

There ya go!! We need more people like you on this forum willing to admit it.

Regarding Briere, I just don't get the narrative that he is not a competent GM. He has only been in the job 17 months. ALL GMs have their good moments and their bad monents. No GM is perfect. I think there has been far more good with Briere than bad. Some trolls on this forum with a clear agenda have pinned the Quitter Gauthier issue on Briere, but I think that is not only inaccurate, its completely unfair. Quitter still is hiding and does not want to answer questions. Briere came out right away. Which one do you believe or should you believe at this point? Its really common sense.

But for the good, dumping Hayes was a great move. Trying to trade Sanheim also worked out well in the end because it lit a fire under Sanheim's butt. Getting something for Gauthier in the end will be a great move. Yu saw last night what Drysdale is capable of. If he can stay on the ice, I think Drysdale is going to develop under Shaw to be a very good defenseman. The Walker trade last deadline for a 1st round pick. The Provorov trade was an absolute stroke of genious. Getting Michkov over here only after 1 season, and secretly courting Michkov before the draft. I mean, come on, Briere has done a lot of good work here.

Besides the Quitter criticism, and of course the fact that Briere has not fired Torts, the other bif criticism is his drafting of Luchanko over Buium. We'll see how this turns out. Its way too early to judge this draft choice. What else can be criticized at this point? Obviously if Briere has a poor deadline we can bash him for that, but I don't think he will.
- jd250

How long has briere been with the organization? How long did he shadow chuck? this isn't some outsider coming in blind. I do not believe him or the flyer at all in regards to the cutter situation.

a lot of good work, wow you keep slurping. He isnt allowed to fire torts. Hell, he isn't even allowed to fire Rocky. What else can he be criticized for? Really? Ivan trade a stroke of genius lol.

The Flyers are in a holding pattern. They know what they want to do and are trying to do it. They know they likely have to wait for the cap to clear up to give them more flexibility. The evaluating talk is just cover for that.
- MJL

Oh Please, should we play some James Bond music in the background as we read your posts?

I am very concerned decisions will be made on Cates based on a really hot streak and in dire need of centers within the organization. Cates was a 5th rd pick and even before this hot streak has already exceeded expectations. To believe he will remain even remotely close to last month's production over the next couple of years I feel is very risky. I would have another team take that bet instead.
- Trox88

They have two more seasons to decide what to do with Cates. I don’t see them rushing to resign him long term. They rushed to sign Tippett because they actually thought he was about to break out with a 35-40 goal season and were thinking they were getting a bargain. I don’t think anyone in the organization is thinking Cates is about to break out into a top 6 scoring long term.