Blueger went after Perry on the very next shift and took the Canucks off the powerplay doing it, what are you even talking about?
- NorthNuck

A real team wouldn’t give him a choice. Politely requesting a duel and being rejected is (frank)ing BETA. Stick him in the face and land 5 or 6 punches before the oilers fanboys dressed like zebras can save him

Regardless, our problem isn’t coaching
- CanuckDon

It certainly is one of the many problems.

A real team wouldn’t give him a choice. Politely requesting a duel and being rejected is (frank)ing BETA. Stick him in the face and land 5 or 6 punches before the oilers fanboys dressed like zebras can save him
- CanuckDon

wow, lots of "trade Quinn Hughes" posts. Way to back your team. lol

I think the world of this player and I would never trade Quinn Hughes, he is a generational talent, as they say (if not, he's close). I think the problem was making him a captain at his age. He's just not the kind of "rah rah" captain that it seems is needed in Van.
I guess you guys are the beta-male capital of the planet though in Vancouver, so it seemed right at the time. If a 28yr old Rick Tocchet were the captain of the 24-25 Canucks this year...maybe there's not much of a problem....
- JLO961

lol yeah we still have folks here blaming Benning for the current state of the team. Horvat turned out to be a massive disappointment as Captain and I'm not there on Hughes just yet...but yes it would be nice if he stood up for himself. Would love to see a 28 year old Tocchet Captain this club. Man what a ride...

Everyone needs to relax, the team is only 33 pts back of Calgary. They just need time to shake off the rust from injuries.
- Reubenkincade

Might as well be

The Canucks don't have a pack mentality, I suspect because they have a fractured room. You can't manufacture emotion. You can't pretend to like each other. The group is broken.

They don't have to completely destroy the roster, but it needs a major overhaul, and it isn't just the highly paid guys. There's guys in there who aren't team guys.

The Canucks don't have a pack mentality, I suspect because they have a fractured room. You can't manufacture emotion. You can't pretend to like each other. The group is broken.

They don't have to completely destroy the roster, but it needs a major overhaul, and it isn't just the highly paid guys. There's guys in there who aren't team guys.
- Pacificgem

They just need to re-acquire Zadorov

The Canucks don't have a pack mentality, I suspect because they have a fractured room. You can't manufacture emotion. You can't pretend to like each other. The group is broken.

They don't have to completely destroy the roster, but it needs a major overhaul, and it isn't just the highly paid guys. There's guys in there who aren't team guys.
- Pacificgem

100%

This:

So many players are sucking right now - everyone is slumping.

DeBrusk - 3 goals in 19 games,
Heinen - 3 in 36
Suter - 0 in 23
Blugar - 1 in 28
Sherwood 2 in 17
Joshua- 2 in 24
Garland 3 in 25
PDG 1 in 16
Hogs 3 in 43
Sasson 2 in 22
Demko has been horrific.

Tocc is starting to resemble Travis Green - keeps making excuses that things need to change, but I'm not seeing any real changes?
- Brooks_Light

It's starting to feel like all the hooplah around hard-nosed Tocchet coming in has worn thin. Someone said last year his schtick wears out fast, and I never would've believed it last year cause of the such radical change from the team past 2 years. Perhaps the focus and attention to detail is just not sustainable though, at least from this group. No doubt there is talent here, but I'm seeing a pattern where a coach can extract the most from the group for a short period of time (bubble Green, Boudreau, now Tocchet?) but the core is just not tight enough to sustain and build upon good things.

I will say that Alvin really did Tocchs a disservice by ignoring the blueline in the off-season. There was just no way that blueline healthy or not could move the puck up the ice the way you need to in the NHL. Forwards are on their heels and just waiting to turn back instead of driving forward with confidence.

They just need to re-acquire Zadorov
- NorthNuck

Haha...no, they need to take a hard look at who cares and who doesn't. It takes a long time to build a culture in a room, but as you can see, it can disappear in a heartbeat if you don't put the right people in place.

Doesn't mean these are bad players or bad people, they just don't work well together.

Haha...no, they need to take a hard look at who cares and who doesn't. It takes a long time to build a culture in a room, but as you can see, it can disappear in a heartbeat if you don't put the right people in place.

Doesn't mean these are bad players or bad people, they just don't work well together.
- Pacificgem

It's just bizarre because of the level of success they had last year with most of these same players, and how quickly it seems to have soured. I agree they need to root it out and deal with it, but from the outside we really don't know who the problems are, though obviously it seems most likely that it's Miller.

The Canucks don't have a pack mentality, I suspect because they have a fractured room. You can't manufacture emotion. You can't pretend to like each other. The group is broken.

They don't have to completely destroy the roster, but it needs a major overhaul, and it isn't just the highly paid guys. There's guys in there who aren't team guys.
- Pacificgem

Yup. There is no chemistry at the moment. Just a disjointed group of individuals. Breakouts and zone entries are just painful to watch because of it.

Losing Myers has splintered the D corps way more that it should've. Desharnais needs to be shot into the sun. Hronek can't be counted on right now for tough minutes. Friedman with Hughes...yeah that really happened. There's your right side D. Enjoy.

Yup. There is no chemistry at the moment. Just a disjointed group of individuals. Breakouts and zone entries are just painful to watch because of it.

Losing Myers has splintered the D corps way more that it should've. Desharnais needs to be shot into the sun. Hronek can't be counted on right now for tough minutes. Friedman with Hughes...yeah that really happened. There's your right side D. Enjoy.
- Load Management

For the one game he's been out?

For the one game he's been out?
- NewYorkNuck

Umm...2? Both ugly losses.

Umm...2? Both ugly losses.
- Load Management

I mean, there's been a whole bunch of ugly losses and bad breakouts/zone entries with Myers in the lineup. Don't think he's been the glue that was holding anything together.

The Canucks don't have a pack mentality, I suspect because they have a fractured room. You can't manufacture emotion. You can't pretend to like each other. The group is broken.

They don't have to completely destroy the roster, but it needs a major overhaul, and it isn't just the highly paid guys. There's guys in there who aren't team guys.
- Pacificgem

Everything will be fine, this group is capable of bouncing back. Smart guys like Lefty have confirmed this

A real team wouldn’t give him a choice. Politely requesting a duel and being rejected is (frank)ing BETA. Stick him in the face and land 5 or 6 punches before the oilers fanboys dressed like zebras can save him
- CanuckDon

Yup, not enough violence in the game.

I mean, there's been a whole bunch of ugly losses and bad breakouts/zone entries with Myers in the lineup. Don't think he's been the glue that was holding anything together.
- NewYorkNuck

Sure. Maybe go back and read my original comment.

I will be fine if Canucks get a return like Jets did with trading PLD.

A team like Philly could use a player like Miller or Pouty, maybe Tippett, Frostburg and Bonk coming back

I mean, there's been a whole bunch of ugly losses and bad breakouts/zone entries with Myers in the lineup. Don't think he's been the glue that was holding anything together.
- NewYorkNuck

I refuse to believe it can be Myers haha. More likely Zadorov & Cole sliding Myers and whomever else to 5-6 where they belong/can survive.

It's just bizarre because of the level of success they had last year with most of these same players, and how quickly it seems to have soured. I agree they need to root it out and deal with it, but from the outside we really don't know who the problems are, though obviously it seems most likely that it's Miller.
- NorthNuck

They don't have a culture or leadership in the room. It's the biggest problem. You know the longest tenured player (skater) is Brock Boeser, who's a good player, but he's not a leader. He's been there 7 years. Pettersson is next at 6 years, also not a leader, both good players but not culture guys. Then you have Hughes, Myers and Miller at 5 years. The team has a culture problem/

I hate to admit this because I hate the Bruins but they have a culture there that dictates they have a pack mentality, if you play for them, you play a certain way. Cam Neely has been there 38 years in some capacity or another, he's been their vice president or president since 2007.

Bergeron was there 19 years, then Chara got there he paved that way, he was there 15 years as their leader, they had strong leadership. Now d!ckface Marchand is their captain, he's been there 15 years. They're not as good as they once were because they lack talent, but they'll still punch your face in if you disrespect them in any way.

Everything will be fine, this group is capable of bouncing back. Smart guys like Lefty have confirmed this
- Reubenkincade

The time for bouncing back is over, they have talented players but their defense is so bad and the forward group just doesn't care about each other. They're tuned out.

Regardless, our problem isn’t coaching
- CanuckDon

Very true. The roster is incoherently different than last season. While the off-season summer moves looked good on paper other than Sherwood and DeBrusk it has been a disaster on the ice. Hard for Tocchet to get the same results losing 6-7 players from last season and not replacing them with the equivalent. And yes this team is (frank)ing so soft and that must drive Tocchet fucking crazy as he was NOT that type of player. Only thing I hang on Tocchet this year so far is his derailment and mis mangement of Hogs career. Keeping Hogs locked in the doghouse has been mind-numbingly stupid when all the kid needed was better line mates and a better chance to succeed. But, all coaches have their obsessions. The fact they are all pros and can't get past the pouting and in-fighting speak volumes. Not time to blow it up but the more we slip from the WC spot the worse it will get.

They don't have a culture or leadership in the room. It's the biggest problem. You know the longest tenured player (skater) is Brock Boeser, who's a good player, but he's not a leader. He's been there 7 years. Pettersson is next at 6 years, also not a leader, both good players but not culture guys. Then you have Hughes, Myers and Miller at 5 years. The team has a culture problem/

I hate to admit this because I hate the Bruins but they have a culture there that dictates they have a pack mentality, if you play for them, you play a certain way. Cam Neely has been there 38 years in some capacity or another, he's been their vice president or president since 2007.

Bergeron was there 19 years, then Chara got there he paved that way, he was there 15 years as their leader, they had strong leadership. Now d!ckface Marchand is their captain, he's been there 15 years. They're not as good as they once were because they lack talent, but they'll still punch your face in if you disrespect them in any way.
- Pacificgem

Well said👏👏👏

The time for bouncing back is over, they have talented players but their defense is so bad and the forward group just doesn't care about each other. They're tuned out.
- Pacificgem

You realize I was just trolling you, don't you?