They don't have a culture or leadership in the room. It's the biggest problem. You know the longest tenured player (skater) is Brock Boeser, who's a good player, but he's not a leader. He's been there 7 years. Pettersson is next at 6 years, also not a leader, both good players but not culture guys. Then you have Hughes, Myers and Miller at 5 years. The team has a culture problem/

I hate to admit this because I hate the Bruins but they have a culture there that dictates they have a pack mentality, if you play for them, you play a certain way. Cam Neely has been there 38 years in some capacity or another, he's been their vice president or president since 2007.

Bergeron was there 19 years, then Chara got there he paved that way, he was there 15 years as their leader, they had strong leadership. Now d!ckface Marchand is their captain, he's been there 15 years. They're not as good as they once were because they lack talent, but they'll still punch your face in if you disrespect them in any way.
- Pacificgem

Yep, a good theory. Certainly a strategy that seems to have worked for them. Seems our only chance to have some kind of similar & familiar thread went out the door with TLinden.

Edit: I suppose the Sedins could be

You realize I was just trolling you, don't you?
- Reubenkincade

Of course, I'm just disappointed in the team, again. When I saw Blueger, and good on him for trying, go after Perry, you could plainly see he was just doing it because he's supposed to, not because he cared. He just stopped and said to himself, "what do I care"....that's how it came off to me.

Again, the group doesn't have strong veteran leadership, that's not Hughes fault, he's 25 years old. There's no veterans in that forward group except Miller and everyone hates him, including the coach.

Of course, I'm just disappointed in the team, again. When I saw Blueger, and good on him for trying, go after Perry, you could plainly see he was just doing it because he's supposed to, not because he cared. He just stopped and said to himself, "what do I care"....that's how it came off to me.

Again, the group doesn't have strong veteran leadership, that's not Hughes fault, he's 25 years old. There's no veterans in that forward group except Miller and everyone hates him, including the coach.
- Pacificgem

It has been this way since 1970, unfortunately.

The idea of rebuilding the team at all is ridiculous. Anyone can see the talent is there on the roster, plenty of people in and out of Vancouver were looking at this team in the fall and saying Van might have the best forward depth in the entire league. If the situation with Miller is untenable, you move him, play out the year, and patch the holes in the lineup in the summer. You don't rebuild a team when you have so many quality players in their mid 20s at every position.

I don't understand why anyone would be so eager to run back to the purgatory we just spent an entire decade in
- NorthNuck

Because clearly the mix isn't working, and that goes beyond just one player, people forget that this team has been together (the core) as it stands for almost 7 years now, they made the playoffs twice in that span and only got past the first round (I don't consider the play-in round to be the true "first" round of the playoffs the COVID year). There's been very little improvement year-to-year and usually because of coaching change bumps. That's not a team that screams contender or playoff team to me.

It's time to think long-term, this time as constructed clearly isn't able to consistently play up to it's potential and gives up in both big games and games against lesser competition. You can blame Tocchet for not preparing them well enough, but this has been a problem since the Sedins moved on and Hughes, Petey, Miller and Demko took over. The time has come for major changes, and maybe that means being really bad and acquiring 1OA's or 2nd or 3rd OA's for a few years and completely rebuilding the team and paying more attention to the mix rather than focusing on trying to fill holes and appeasing players, regardless of how skilled or good they are.

Losing Hughes would suck, but the haul he'd give would set us up for a decade (provided it's the RIGHT haul)

It has been this way since 1970, unfortunately.
- Reubenkincade

Not always, but for a lot of it, yeah. You know back in 2011 those guys pushed each other hard but they cared about each other, it meant something to them to put that jersey on. That's not there anymore. Tocchet talked about it but you can't manufacture emotion, as I said earlier. You gotta care, it's gotta mean something to you to go to battle with your brothers....they don't have that!!

Not always, but for a lot of it, yeah. You know back in 2011 those guys pushed each other hard but they cared about each other, it meant something to them to put that jersey no. That's not there anymore. Tocchet talked about it but you can't manufacture emotion, as I said earlier. You gotta care, it's gotta mean something to you to go to battle with your brothers....they don't have that!!
- Pacificgem

I agree, other than the 1 year, last season, it has been a concern for over a decade now. Team also really needs a Zadorov type on defense and an Olivier type at forward. Obviously, several other things.

Not always, but for a lot of it, yeah. You know back in 2011 those guys pushed each other hard but they cared about each other, it meant something to them to put that jersey on. That's not there anymore. Tocchet talked about it but you can't manufacture emotion, as I said earlier. You gotta care, it's gotta mean something to you to go to battle with your brothers....they don't have that!!
- Pacificgem

Minus winning it all, we transitioned pretty well between west coast express to sedinery. Lots of good winning teams during those years, was easy to be a canuck fan at least.

Not always, but for a lot of it, yeah. You know back in 2011 those guys pushed each other hard but they cared about each other, it meant something to them to put that jersey on. That's not there anymore. Tocchet talked about it but you can't manufacture emotion, as I said earlier. You gotta care, it's gotta mean something to you to go to battle with your brothers....they don't have that!!
- Pacificgem

Yup. Doesn't mean they're incapable of it though. Just means the right buttons aren't being pushed.

Yup. Doesn't mean they're incapable of it though. Just means the right buttons aren't being pushed.
- Load Management

Not sure it is always about pushing buttons. Some players have the mindset, while others just don't have it.

Great game last night. No McDavid, no problem. Drai takes over.

Not sure it is always about pushing buttons. Some players have the mindset, while others just don't have it.
- Reubenkincade

I think they all have to have that drive and mindset somewhere within their DNA just to make it to the NHL.

If the rebuilding Flames get in and the division winning Canucks miss the playoffs it will be a new low in an already sad history of your teams existence.

Unpopular opinion: if Allvin and Rutherford decide to blow up the team, you have to trade Quinn Hughes. What he could bring back would be worth more in the long run, plus he probably wouldn't stick around for a full/proper rebuild.
- NewYorkNuck

We can work out a deal

Time to fold and move to Quebec

1970
55 years in operation
No Cup in the history of the team
No franchise history (one of the least storied franchises in sports)
Aside from Bure - no history of great players (known for being Canucks)
Fans burn down the city/injection site of Vancouver for losing games

#neverwonever
#softfans
#softteam
#softwood
#lordscottishsoft
#champnucks

If the rebuilding Flames get in and the division winning Canucks miss the playoffs it will be a new low in an already sad history of your teams existence.
- Oildrum

Not even close. The 2nd riot was near rock bottom but there's been 54 years of futility so we have a pretty thick skin.
At least the Canucks don't hire GM's that have been complicit in the covering up of a sexual assault which then led to another sexual assault. The Oilers are a disgusting organization.

They don't have a culture or leadership in the room. It's the biggest problem. You know the longest tenured player (skater) is Brock Boeser, who's a good player, but he's not a leader. He's been there 7 years. Pettersson is next at 6 years, also not a leader, both good players but not culture guys. Then you have Hughes, Myers and Miller at 5 years. The team has a culture problem/

I hate to admit this because I hate the Bruins but they have a culture there that dictates they have a pack mentality, if you play for them, you play a certain way. Cam Neely has been there 38 years in some capacity or another, he's been their vice president or president since 2007.

Bergeron was there 19 years, then Chara got there he paved that way, he was there 15 years as their leader, they had strong leadership. Now d!ckface Marchand is their captain, he's been there 15 years. They're not as good as they once were because they lack talent, but they'll still punch your face in if you disrespect them in any way.
- Pacificgem

I think this poster should be your GM. This is 100% my opinion as well. Every team needs a general, or at least a group of 2or3 vets leading together.

Not sure it is always about pushing buttons. Some players have the mindset, while others just don't have it.
- Reubenkincade

It’s a combination of players and coaches but the Canucks don’t have either.

Look at Washington. Everyone wrote them off. They have a deep lineup with Vets and young guys coming up and great coaching. They play the exact same way night after night. They play hard and don’t take days off. Even if they lose it’s close and they play their game.

The Canucks are all over the place and rarely seem to come onto the ice prepared. That’s bad coaching. They need to dump a few players and add some better depth. Some have hit on the Vet losses this year and it shows.

I think this poster should be your GM. This is 100% my opinion as well. Every team needs a general, or at least a group of 2or3 vets leading together.
- JLO961

Lefty is a senile wannabe American. His hockey takes are bad.

Not always, but for a lot of it, yeah. You know back in 2011 those guys pushed each other hard but they cared about each other, it meant something to them to put that jersey on. That's not there anymore. Tocchet talked about it but you can't manufacture emotion, as I said earlier. You gotta care, it's gotta mean something to you to go to battle with your brothers....they don't have that!!
- Pacificgem

I really didn't like them, haha, but the Kessler, Bieksa, Burrows, Mitchell days were probably your best. They were really tough to play against and they looked like you could find them having beers together on a Friday.

If the rebuilding Flames get in and the division winning Canucks miss the playoffs it will be a new low in an already sad history of your teams existence.
- Oildrum

4 first overalls, 1 3rd overall, 1 4th overall, a 7th and an 8th overall and still zero cups. Garbage owner, garbage management.

Talk about lows in teams existence…

I really didn't like them, haha, but the Kessler, Bieksa, Burrows, Mitchell days were probably your best. They were really tough to play against and they looked like you could find them having beers together on a Friday.
- JLO961

You just listed 4 of the biggest douchebags in Nucks history.

Great game last night. No McDavid, no problem. Drai takes over.
- Oildrum

Idiot

I think this poster should be your GM. This is 100% my opinion as well. Every team needs a general, or at least a group of 2or3 vets leading together.
- JLO961

Up until 2 weeks ago, you wouldn't have been saying that

You just listed 4 of the biggest douchebags in Nucks history.
- TurdFergeson

That's a pretty big admission of your own character (or lack thereof) there bud.

Up until 2 weeks ago, you wouldn't have been saying that
- Reubenkincade

I'm sure...just going by a recent post that was pretty spot on, that's all.