How many times have teams ended up overpaying players for past success, sometimes only by fear of what letting that player go would mean? How many of those times did it end up being a mistake?

You might be right, it might end up being a bad move, time will tell, but it certainly is courageous and interesting.

It's easy to give him 14M and hope for the best. Colorado didn't take the easy road on this one, not at all.
- Scabeh

If he was 35, okay, fine. But he's 28 with 100 playoff points in 80 playoff games, 100 point player and his team is still a top contender albeit having an off year mostly because their goaltending sucked earlier in the year.

With the cap going up and Landeskog probably being finished, they were dumb to trade him like that and for a pretty mediocre return with another pending UFA in just 1 year? Maybe if they had acquire an established playoff player with a lower cap hit, but Necas? That's not putting you closer to a Cup in a window of opportunity.

How many times have teams ended up overpaying players for past success, sometimes only by fear of what letting that player go would mean? How many of those times did it end up being a mistake?

You might be right, it might end up being a bad move, time will tell, but it certainly is courageous and interesting.

It's easy to give him 14M and hope for the best. Colorado didn't take the easy road on this one, not at all.
- Scabeh

Carolina cashed in on a player with a hot start, has never surpassed 28 goals, fresh off a 50 point season and ended up with one of the best wingers in the league capable of scoring 50 goals and 110 points. There is a clear winner here.

Unless Rantanen wanted to test FA...but it sounds like he wanted to stay and would have signed.

How many times have teams ended up overpaying players for past success, sometimes only by fear of what letting that player go would mean? How many of those times did it end up being a mistake?

You might be right, it might end up being a bad move, time will tell, but it certainly is courageous and interesting.

It's easy to give him 14M and hope for the best. Colorado didn't take the easy road on this one, not at all.
- Scabeh

Lightning are marginally better without Stamkos. I never thought he would be traded or let walk.

How would you compare Knies to Hyman?

How would you compare Knies to Hyman?
- Woderwick

Hyman at Knies's age was a hard working 3rd line player with stone hands. Knies has the potential to surpass Hyman by quite a lot.

How would you compare Knies to Hyman?
- Woderwick

Hyman is better now, but Knies still has an unknown ceiling, so he could end up better.....or not.

Rantanen said he was willing to take much less than his value to stay. Avs could end up with nothing to show for it in a couple years down the road. Rantanen was a beast.
I have a saying in my fishing circle… “Never leave fish to find fish”.
- Woderwick

Here is the rub with that it’s what HE (and his agent) consider his market value to be.

Who knows if it’s what other teams feel his market value is / what they would offer?

We are only hearing the one side to this so far but regardless it’ll be one of those trades analysts yap about for years.

We won’t know for quite some time if it was a good or bad move but at least it gives us all something to talk about aside from politics!

Hyman at Knies's age was a hard working 3rd line player with stone hands. Knies has the potential to surpass Hyman by quite a lot.
- Santo_44

Do you think the Leafs would have been more successful if they had Hyman on their top line the past few playoffs?

Here is the rub with that it’s what HE (and his agent) consider his market value to be.

Who knows if it’s what other teams feel his market value is / what they would offer?

We are only hearing the one side to this so far but regardless it’ll be one of those trades analysts yap about for years.

We won’t know for quite some time if it was a good or bad move but at least it gives us all something to talk about aside from politics!
- Cush29

Hockey hockey joy joy

Hyman is better now, but Knies still has an unknown ceiling, so he could end up better.....or not.
- GalacticStone

Knies > Hyman right now if you factor in cost of each player IMO.

Rantanen said he was willing to take much less than his value to stay. Avs could end up with nothing to show for it in a couple years down the road. Rantanen was a beast.
I have a saying in my fishing circle… “Never leave fish to find fish”.
- Woderwick

Better one in hand than two in the bush.

Dubas didn't learn that lesson when he traded down for Dermott and Bracco for Konecny.

Do you think the Leafs would have been more successful if they had Hyman on their top line the past few playoffs?
- Woderwick

I don’t.

He had stone hands in his Leaf playoff performances playing with elite talent.

How would you compare Knies to Hyman?
- Woderwick

Knies doesn't have a big enough nose to inject oxygen into his body so therefore Hyman wins.

Do you think the Leafs would have been more successful if they had Hyman on their top line the past few playoffs?
- Woderwick

Possibly but they would have had 4.4 M less cap space.

I don’t.

He had stone hands in his Leaf playoff performances playing with elite talent.
- Cush29

Not what I’m saying. I’m talking the past three years. If the Leafs had the 21/22/23 Hyman vs (frank)ing JarnSock or whoever they had playing with Marner and Matthews.

Not what I’m saying. I’m talking the past three years. If the Leafs had the 21/22/23 Hyman vs (frank)ing JarnSock or whoever they had playing with Marner and Matthews.
- Woderwick

You mean...

Hyman / Matthews / Marner
Verhaeghe / Tavares / Nylander
Knies / Konecny / McMann

?

Possibly but they would have had 4.4 M less cap space.
- Santo_44

Right…but now Marner and Matthews may finally have the guy they’ve needed in the playoffs in Knies. I want to see how that plays out before we crucify Marner and Matthews again.

Knies doesn't have a big enough nose to inject oxygen into his body so therefore Hyman wins.
- Rare_Jewel

So you’re saying Leafs lose against the Avs if they’re in the final…?
No way Knies can carry that bulk with such a little smeller.


Knies is way better looking though. That counts for quite a bit.

You mean...

Hyman / Matthews / Marner
Verhaeghe / Tavares / Nylander
Knies / Konecny / McMann

?
- Rare_Jewel

Oh my…
Jewelsie…this will do you no good….it will only drive you to drink…more.

So you’re saying Leafs lose against the Avs if they’re in the final…?
No way Knies can carry that bulk with such a little smeller.


Knies is way better looking though. That counts for quite a bit.
- Woderwick

Makes the comfort puck bunnies line longer after the 1st round exit.

Not what I’m saying. I’m talking the past three years. If the Leafs had the 21/22/23 Hyman vs (frank)ing JarnSock or whoever they had playing with Marner and Matthews.
- Woderwick

Ah.

Hard to say if he would have developed to the player he has if he had never left Toronto.

That being said he’s been a playoff force in Edmonton for sure and Toronto could have used that but are you not considering his new salary at all?

Toronto couldn’t afford to keep him really.

Ah.

Hard to say if he would have developed to the player he has if he had never left Toronto.

That being said he’s been a playoff force in Edmonton for sure and Toronto could have used that but are you not considering his new salary at all?

Toronto couldn’t afford to keep him really.
- Cush29

Kampf, Jarnkrok and Reaves make 5.8 AAV.

Where is the problem?

Ah.

Hard to say if he would have developed to the player he has if he had never left Toronto.

That being said he’s been a playoff force in Edmonton for sure and Toronto could have used that but are you not considering his new salary at all?

Toronto couldn’t afford to keep him really.
- Cush29

No salary stuff. Just suggesting Leafs finally have the player in Knies who may actually be able to help that first line have more success this coming playoffs.

Kampf, Jarnkrok and Reaves make 5.8 AAV.

Where is the problem?
- Rare_Jewel

Seriously?

You’re talking about not having 3 x 3/4th line players and using that money for 1 first liner.

This after you whining they need better 3/4 line players.

What do you plan to pay these better 3rd or 4th line players with knowing you would now have less money because you’ve given it to Hyman?

Jesus.

No salary stuff. Just suggesting Leafs finally have the player in Knies who may actually be able to help that first line have more success this coming playoffs.
- Woderwick

Well then I fully agree! 👍