Seriously?

You’re talking about not having 3 x 3/4th line players and using that money for 1 first liner.

This after you whining they need better 3/4 line players.

What do you plan to pay these better 3rd or 4th line players with knowing you would now have less money because you’ve given it to Hyman?
- Cush29

Yes, one 50 goal scorer playoff beast is better than 3 garbage overpaid pylons.

If you replace garbage players with better players, the team gets better.

No calculus required.

Jesus.

Was a carpenter.

Yes, one 50 goal scorer playoff beast is better than 3 garbage overpaid pylons.

If you replace garbage players with better players, the team gets better.

No calculus required.

Jesus

Was a carpenter. socialist
- Rare_Jewel

Agree, Leafs need an impact player.. We have enough depth guys.. Get a Top 6 scorer and/or an impact D.

Also heard and unsubstantiated rumor from a guy that knows some NHL players that Rielly's play has deteriorated based on the amount of coke he is doing.

Yes, one 50 goal scorer playoff beast is better than 3 garbage overpaid pylons.

If you replace garbage players with better players, the team gets better.

No calculus required.

Was a carpenter.
- Rare_Jewel

I guess you play with a 20 man roster all season while in GM mode of your video game figuring it all out.

If only MLSE would listen to your insightful wisdom eh bud?

“Triple shift Hyman - it’ll work, trust me bro”.

If Colorado had the balls to do it.... why not the Leafs?

Do you really go into the playoffs with an unsigned Marner and risk losing him?

Maybe he signs a new deal before the deadline? Any news about talks moving forward?
- Scabeh

Fun conversation to have on a slow Tuesday afternoon, but Marner has a NMC, so we are really debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Yes, one 50 goal scorer playoff beast is better than 3 garbage overpaid pylons.

If you replace garbage players with better players, the team gets better.

No calculus required.



Was a carpenter.
- Rare_Jewel

Hyman is over rated. It’s a McDavid bump. Remember how good Maroon looked on McDavids wing? He almost got a 5MM per contract from Chiarelli.

How would you compare Knies to Hyman?
- Woderwick

Both body parts
Knies is lower on the body

I guess you play with a 20 man roster all season while in GM mode of your video game figuring it all out.

If only MLSE would listen to your insightful wisdom eh bud?

“Triple shift Hyman - it’ll work, trust me bro”.
- Cush29

Man, the guy has no clue what he watches.
He’s the ‘Clutterbuck is a guaranteed Cup’ fellow.

Not the brightest when it comes to hockey - but clearly the only guy in Canada that understands how to fix all world economic/social issues. He just got bored in actual political based sites so he chose to come where the elite of political minds go to do their work and spread their wisdom….HockeyBuzz!

Fun conversation to have on a slow Tuesday afternoon, but Marner has a NMC, so we are really debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
- Atomic Wedgie

Just a guess but I’m betting with the cap rising quickly a lot of players are looking at shorter contracts to take advantage.

I guess you play with a 20 man roster all season while in GM mode of your video game figuring it all out.

If only MLSE would listen to your insightful wisdom eh bud?

“Triple shift Hyman - it’ll work, trust me bro”.
- Cush29

Don't re-sign Domi and instead sign 3 guys like Lorenz on league minimum so at least when they sit there with 0-3 goals all season, you can dump him and replace him unlike Kampf and Jarnkrok.

Hyman is over rated. It’s a McDavid bump. Remember how good Maroon looked on McDavids wing? He almost got a 5MM per contract from Chiarelli.
- TurdFergeson

So McDavid is the only reason Hyman scored 70 total goals last season?

So with Matthews and Marner he only scores...60? 50? 40?

More or less than the total of Jarnkrok, Kampf, Reaves and Domi of 6?

You forgot the other half of the equation which was Gilmour, Clark and Andreychuk scored in the playoffs with no problem. The Leafs could afford to have a line that did not provide supplementary scoring at that time.

Also, as nice as that 92-94 run was ultimately it was unsuccessful. I prefer to look at Cup winners or at worst finalists.

Unfortunately, our current core has problems scoring in the playoffs. That means our bottom-six guys have to chip in more than just 1 goal every 20 games.

Does that mean I expect Jarnkrok to score 10 playoff goals? Absolutely not. But, more like Zezel, who use to be a very effective scorer, we need guys who can contribute more than just sit in their own zone for 15 min a game.

Think of Cirelli as the best possible example. Scored 9 goals in the regular season but had 5 goals and 12 points in 23 playoff games when they most recently won the Cup. Obviously, we can't get Cirelli, but a guy who can score 3-5 goals and 10 playoff points is better than what Jarnkrok and Kampf have already proven they can't provide.
- Rare_Jewel

I think at the end of the day you're solving the wrong problem. Replacing the bottom-6 with better players will just cost too much and imbalance the payroll. You have to give up too much up top to change the bottom. If the guys up top won't get it done when it matters then there is a more evident place to start. The third liner, Cirelli, you spoke of did have Stamkos as his right-winger in those playoffs. Hardly a standard third line. He also carried an AAV of $4.8m in those 3 years, so also hardly a comparison to Kampf or Janrkrok.

Just a guess but I’m betting with the cap rising quickly a lot of players are looking at shorter contracts to take advantage.
- TurdFergeson

As they should. I think Rantanen should be looking at a deal like Matthews. 5 years or even 3 since he's older. 8 year deals should be done and over with. Make it 6 for free agency and 7 for your own team. Keeps things easier to move down the line and keeps your team "fresh".

Don't re-sign Domi and instead sign 3 guys like Lorenz on league minimum so at least when they sit there with 0-3 goals all season, you can dump him and replace him unlike Kampf and Jarnkrok.
- Rare_Jewel

This is what dubas did and all you did was criticize him for not getting "better" bottom feeders. Like the bottom guys are all crap shoots every year. Every team does it and sometimes it works out like Lorenz and sometimes it's Aubel-Kubel or whatever his name is.

We should be thankful we have the likes of McMann we got for free

Hyman is over rated. It’s a McDavid bump. Remember how good Maroon looked on McDavids wing? He almost got a 5MM per contract from Chiarelli.
- TurdFergeson

Except Hyman looked good no matter what line we played him on.

😑

Both body parts
Knies is lower on the body
- mr.sir

🤣

I think at the end of the day you're solving the wrong problem. Replacing the bottom-6 with better players will just cost too much and imbalance the payroll. You have to give up too much up top to change the bottom. If the guys up top won't get it done when it matters then there is a more evident place to start. The third liner, Cirelli, you spoke of did have Stamkos as his right-winger in those playoffs. Hardly a standard third line. He also carried an AAV of $4.8m in those 3 years, so also hardly a comparison to Kampf or Janrkrok.
- Monkeypunk

At this particular stage in the game, the Leafs have no option but to upgrade their depth. Matthews, Nylander, Marner and Tavares are going nowhere this year.

For next year, Marner should return with an extension and Tavares should be shown the door. With that extra money, you go back at strengthening the depth and the blueline.

Cirelli at 4.8 is not cheap but still better value than what the Leafs get for 5.5+ for Kampf, Jarnkrok and Reaves. Or Domi at 3.75. I'll take option 1 over 3 pylons at a higher cost every day of the week.

This is what dubas did and all you did was criticize him for not getting "better" bottom feeders. Like the bottom guys are all crap shoots every year. Every team does it and sometimes it works out like Lorenz and sometimes it's Aubel-Kubel or whatever his name is.

We should be thankful we have the likes of McMann we got for free
- Aaron_85

Everybody and their cousin Susie knew that Kampf and Reaves were a waste of money the second they announced their extensions.

There's a big difference between a "crap shoot" league minimum contract on a guy like Corey Perry (how many (frank)ing years did the Leafs pass on that opportunity only to have it bite them in the ass?) and signing known garbage players like Kampf and Reaves to AAVs 3 times what they're actually worth.

At this particular stage in the game, the Leafs have no option but to upgrade their depth. Matthews, Nylander, Marner and Tavares are going nowhere this year.

For next year, Marner should return with an extension and Tavares should be shown the door. With that extra money, you go back at strengthening the depth and the blueline.

Cirelli at 4.8 is not cheap but still better value than what the Leafs get for 5.5+ for Kampf, Jarnkrok and Reaves. Or Domi at 3.75. I'll take option 1 over 3 pylons at a higher cost every day of the week.
- Rare_Jewel

Cirelli is now $6.3m. You either grow your own Cirelli, or you pay through the nose acquiring one. The problem with the argument: I'd rather pay $5.5m for Hyman (and I think every Leaf wanted to keep Hyman - some questioned whether he was worth the money over the term and he's proven the doubters wrong) than have Domi, Reaves, Jarnkrok and Kampf . . .but you still need the players and no matter how you slice it - if you're paying a guy $6m or so, you still need all of the other guys. One guy doesn't play 5 positions simultaneously - so there's another 4m at least in that expense, and that expense should be higher if you want more quality in the mix because one pretty good player doesn't make a bottom-6 line on his own.

This year . . .this is it. Those top-6 guys who have worn out the dog year-in-year out once the playoffs hit have to get off of it and start playing like it matters. You build the tools around them to try and give them an opportunity to thrive - but it's up to them. That's who the Leafs really are: Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander and Rielly. OEL and Tanev have been excellent additions. Stolarz and Woll could be legends one day - but with 50% of our cap placed there - it starts with and ends with the core.

Yes, one 50 goal scorer playoff beast is better than 3 garbage overpaid pylons.

If you replace garbage players with better players, the team gets better.

No calculus required.



Was a carpenter.
- Rare_Jewel

Actually he wasnt real.

Cirelli is now $6.3m. You either grow your own Cirelli, or you pay through the nose acquiring one. The problem with the argument: I'd rather pay $5.5m for Hyman (and I think every Leaf wanted to keep Hyman - some questioned whether he was worth the money over the term and he's proven the doubters wrong) than have Domi, Reaves, Jarnkrok and Kampf . . .but you still need the players and no matter how you slice it - if you're paying a guy $6m or so, you still need all of the other guys. One guy doesn't play 5 positions simultaneously - so there's another 4m at least in that expense, and that expense should be higher if you want more quality in the mix because one pretty good player doesn't make a bottom-6 line on his own.

This year . . .this is it. Those top-6 guys who have worn out the dog year-in-year out once the playoffs hit have to get off of it and start playing like it matters. You build the tools around them to try and give them an opportunity to thrive - but it's up to them. That's who the Leafs really are: Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander and Rielly. OEL and Tanev have been excellent additions. Stolarz and Woll could be legends one day - but with 50% of our cap placed there - it starts with and ends with the core.
- Monkeypunk

This this this 100000 times this!!! 👍👍👍

The only thing I’m not sold on is that Hyman at the current cost staying.a Leaf.

He’s been good value for money in Edmonton but he hadn’t done anything in Toronto to deserve the money Edmonton paid him and I’m not convinced he would have become what he is now if he had stayed.

We will never know but that’s just my opinion as far as Hyman and what he was in Toronto. I wanted him to stay but not at what the Oilers paid him.

I am legit happy for him though.

Actually he wasnt real.
- Fakepartofme

He probably was, just didn’t do any of the resurrecting and whatnot..

He probably was, just didn’t do any of the resurrecting and whatnot..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

And he was Puerto Rican

Everybody and their cousin Susie knew that Kampf and Reaves were a waste of money the second they announced their extensions.

There's a big difference between a "crap shoot" league minimum contract on a guy like Corey Perry (how many (frank)ing years did the Leafs pass on that opportunity only to have it bite them in the ass?) and signing known garbage players like Kampf and Reaves to AAVs 3 times what they're actually worth.
- Rare_Jewel

You spend your entire life acting like these players are on the Safeway clearance rack just waiting to be picked up and the leafs just won't. Thats not how it works, it requires mutual interest.

Spend your life talking down to everyone when you're too stupid to understand that basic concept.

You spend your entire life acting like these players are on the Safeway clearance rack just waiting to be picked up and the leafs just won't. Thats not how it works, it requires mutual interest.

Spend your life talking down to everyone when you're too stupid to understand that basic concept.
- joel878