Anyone who pots 30-35 goals in this league is considered a goal scorer. Once can be a fluke, but multiples are the sign of a goal scorer. I think most would agree here.

Getting around 50 goals put you into "sniper" territory. Again, I think most would agree here.

Scoring 69 goals is (frank)ing legend. That's double the production of a good goal scorer in a single season.

Therefore, with Ovi about to beat Gretzky's record and taking into account Mustache's legendary scoring, it is safe to say that if Matthews stays healthy, he will break Ovi's record which was Gretzky's.

Therefore, Matthews is better than Gretzky, Case closed.
- GalacticStone

Ovechkin rarely got hurt and averaged 50 goals a season for most of his career from his rookie season.

Matthews is constantly missing games and while his career high was strong, did not break 50 until his 6th season.

He'll definitely be in the top 5 though. Probably 750-775 range.

Ovechkin rarely got hurt and averaged 50 goals a season for most of his career from his rookie season.

Matthews is constantly missing games and while his career high was strong, did not break 50 until his 6th season.

He'll definitely be in the top 5 though. Probably 750-775 range.
- Rare_Jewel

Not with that kind of attitude. Drink the Blue Koolaid(tm).

Matthews to 1000!

Ovechkin rarely got hurt and averaged 50 goals a season for most of his career from his rookie season.

Matthews is constantly missing games and while his career high was strong, did not break 50 until his 6th season.

He'll definitely be in the top 5 though. Probably 750-775 range.
- Rare_Jewel

Ovi is gonna retire with 1000 goals and go back to Russia where he will be drafted into the army and send to a frontline unit somewhere in southern Zaporizhzhia. There he will be a victim of friendly fire when a Russian AI-targeting FPV drone mistakes him for a Ukrainian soldier in the fog of war.

Ovi's last 90 seconds alive will be captured by a recon drone, dubbed over with death metal, and posted to war subreddit where it will gain "hot" status for 36 hours before being buried under an endless firehose of suffering.

Not with that kind of attitude. Drink the Blue Koolaid(tm).

Matthews to 1000!
- GalacticStone

Matthews is at 388 right now. He'd have to score 512 more to get to 900. That's 10 years of 50+ goals and he's 27 right now. He currently averages 43 goals per season. So he'd need to play until he's 40 and continue to score 43 per season to even have a chance at it.

I also don't see Matthews playing to 40 and beyond. He looks way less competitive than Ovechkin who seems to have the same child-like happiness to score goals and play at a high level. Matthews seems like the type to leave hockey earlier to do other things by comparison to Ovechkin.

Ovi is gonna retire with 1000 goals and go back to Russia where he will be drafted into the army and send to a frontline unit somewhere in southern Zaporizhzhia. There he will be a victim of friendly fire when a Russian AI-targeting FPV drone mistakes him for a Ukrainian soldier in the fog of war.

Ovi's last 90 seconds alive will be captured by a recon drone, dubbed over with death metal, and posted to war subreddit where it will gain "hot" status for 36 hours before being buried under an endless firehose of suffering.
- GalacticStone

Or he gets his own statue, Oblast and never has to lift a finger again.

Ovi is gonna retire with 1000 goals and go back to Russia where he will be drafted into the army and send to a frontline unit somewhere in southern Zaporizhzhia. There he will be a victim of friendly fire when a Russian AI-targeting FPV drone mistakes him for a Ukrainian soldier in the fog of war.

Ovi's last 90 seconds alive will be captured by a recon drone, dubbed over with death metal, and posted to war subreddit where it will gain "hot" status for 36 hours before being buried under an endless firehose of suffering.
- GalacticStone

Blyat!

Nazi literally means Nationalsozialismus, National Socialist Party. You are beyond clueless. Stop now.
- Rare_Jewel

DAP - which was the German Workers Party was renamed National socialist German workers Party in 1920. It was fringe group in a small govermental republic until Hitler took it over. He kissed butt to some of the original beliefs of the party to gain ground within it.
But to gain real power he and two brothers grew the party by tying Hitler's racist nationlism to the socialist rhetoric that appealed to the suffering lower class (propaganda).
But the nazi party quickly grew into something that was neither socialist or for the party of workers. He took a party over to gain power over the weak during troubled times.

Something similar occurred a few years ago...Trump changed from democrat to extreme repube cause he knew it would be easier to appeal to a weaker minded group.

So, what the nazi party became had nothing to do with socialism. Good try though

Matthews is at 388 right now. He'd have to score at least 512 to get to 900. That's 10 years of 50+ goals and he's 27 right now. He currently averages 43 goals per season. So he'd need to play until he's 40 and continue to score 43 per season to even have a chance at it.

I also don't see Matthews playing to 40 and beyond. He looks way less competitive than Ovechkin who seems to have the same child-like happiness to score goals and play at a high level. Matthews seems like the type to leave hockey earlier to do other things by comparison to Ovechkin.
- Rare_Jewel

DAP - which was the German Workers Party was renamed National socialist German workers Party in 1920. It was fringe group in a small govermental republic until Hitler took it over. He kissed butt to some of the original beliefs of the party to gain ground within it.
But to gain real power he and two brothers grew the party by tying Hitler's racist nationlism to the socialist rhetoric that appealed to the suffering lower class (propaganda).
But the nazi party quickly grew into something that was neither socialist or for the party of workers. He took a party over to gain power over the weak during troubled times.

Something similar occurred a few years ago...Trump changed from democrat to extreme repube cause he knew it would be easier to appeal to a weaker minded group.

So, what the nazi party became had nothing to do with socialism. Good try though
- Fakepartofme

You're not even close, not even a good attempt.

DAP - which was the German Workers Party was renamed National socialist German workers Party in 1920. It was fringe group in a small govermental republic until Hitler took it over. He kissed butt to some of the original beliefs of the party to gain ground within it.
But to gain real power he and two brothers grew the party by tying Hitler's racist nationlism to the socialist rhetoric that appealed to the suffering lower class (propaganda).
But the nazi party quickly grew into something that was neither socialist or for the party of workers. He took a party over to gain power over the weak during troubled times.

Something similar occurred a few years ago...Trump changed from democrat to extreme repube cause he knew it would be easier to appeal to a weaker minded group.

So, what the nazi party became had nothing to do with socialism. Good try though
- Fakepartofme

thats what the trump brainwash cult wants them to believe, and it works.

Anyone who pots 30-35 goals in this league is considered a goal scorer. Once can be a fluke, but multiples are the sign of a goal scorer. I think most would agree here.

Getting around 50 goals put you into "sniper" territory. Again, I think most would agree here.

Scoring 69 goals is (frank)ing legend. That's double the production of a good goal scorer in a single season.

Therefore, with Ovi about to beat Gretzky's record and taking into account Mustache's legendary scoring, it is safe to say that if Matthews stays healthy, he will break Ovi's record which was Gretzky's.

Therefore, Matthews is better than Gretzky, Case closed.
- GalacticStone

Ovi will definitely take waynes record.
As for Matthews...
Ovi has scored at 0.599 ggp rate over 1400 games
Over 597 Matthews has scored at a 0.64 rate.
Over OV's first 550 games he scored at a 0.62 rate.
So on the surface, it seems possible....unlikely

If Matthews can stay healthy and scores like crazy for a very long time

You're not even close, not even a good attempt.
- Rare_Jewel

Its all facts kid.

Go back to tik tok.

You're cooked.

Anyone who pots 30-35 goals in this league is considered a goal scorer. Once can be a fluke, but multiples are the sign of a goal scorer. I think most would agree here.

Getting around 50 goals put you into "sniper" territory. Again, I think most would agree here.

Scoring 69 goals is (frank)ing legend. That's double the production of a good goal scorer in a single season.

Therefore, with Ovi about to beat Gretzky's record and taking into account Mustache's legendary scoring, it is safe to say that if Matthews stays healthy, he will break Ovi's record which was Gretzky's.

Therefore, Matthews is better than Gretzky, Case closed.
- GalacticStone

Now do assists.

Its all facts kid.

Go back to tik tok.

You're cooked.
- Fakepartofme

Of which you have next to none.

Of which you have next to none.
- Rare_Jewel

You're cooked.
Give it a rest and leave. You've failed again

Its all facts kid.

Go back to tik tok.

You're cooked.
- Fakepartofme

- GalacticStone

He ain’t getting close to Gretzky’s record.

Anyone who pots 30-35 goals in this league is considered a goal scorer. Once can be a fluke, but multiples are the sign of a goal scorer. I think most would agree here.

Getting around 50 goals put you into "sniper" territory. Again, I think most would agree here.

Scoring 69 goals is (frank)ing legend. That's double the production of a good goal scorer in a single season.

Therefore, with Ovi about to beat Gretzky's record and taking into account Mustache's legendary scoring, it is safe to say that if Matthews stays healthy, he will break Ovi's record which was Gretzky's.

Therefore, Matthews is better than Gretzky, Case closed.
- GalacticStone

I like your argument, but . . . .we see a lot of eggheads go on and on about ERA adjusted scoring and if they use that it already suggests Ovechkin is the greatest goal scorer of all team - but a part of that is because they diminish the contributions of Wayne Gretzky or Mario Lemieux to the game itself. They look at league average scoring and use higher point seasons to reduce the overall average - but what was the effect of having Gretzky or Lemieux in a game? How many players were getting more points than just the individual? If you look at goals / season - there is a distinct spike only when Gretzky and Lemieux are in their prime. That was their impact to and on the game. They made the entire league's average goals/game noticeably rise.

I always liked the comparison of a player in-a-season to peers who were not on their team. How much better were you than everyone else in that year?

This is the top-20 for points:

Wayne Gretzky in 1986-87 was 41.53% ahead of the next closest.
Wayne Gretzky in 1983-84 was 40.49% ahead of the next closest.
Phil Esposito in 1973-74 was 40% ahead of the next closest.
Wayne Gretzky in 1984-85 was 37.5% ahead of the next closest.
Phil Esposito in 1970-71 was 36.84% ahead of the next closest.
Wayne Gretzky in 1982-83 was 36.73% ahead of the next closest.
Gordie Howe in 1952-53 was 35.79% ahead of the next closest.
Wayne Gretzky in 1985-86 was 34.42% ahead of the next closest.
Connor McDavid in 2020-21 was 34.29% ahead of the next closest.
Wayne Gretzky in 1981-82 was 30.66% ahead of the next closest.
Bobby Orr in 1969-70 was 28.33% ahead of the next closest.
Stan Mikita in 1966-67 was 27.84% ahead of the next closest.
Connor McDavid in 2022-23 was 26.61% ahead of the next closest.
Mario Lemieux in 1995-96 was 25.47% ahead of the next closest.
Gordie Howe in 1951-52 was 24.42% ahead of the next closest.
Gordie Howe in 1950-51 was 23.26% ahead of the next closest.
Phil Esposito in 1972-73 was 20% ahead of the next closest.
Wayne Gretzky in 1990-91 was 19.63% ahead of the next closest.
Bobby Hull in 1965-66 was 19.59% ahead of the next closest.
Phil Esposito in 1971-72 was 18.05% ahead of the next closest.

And this is the top-20 for goals:

In 1965-66 Bobby Hull led by 40.74%
In 1990-91 Brett Hull led by 40.7%
In 1983-84 Wayne Gretzky led by 35.63%
In 1952-53 Gordie Howe led by 34.69%
In 1951-52 Gordie Howe led by 34.04%
In 1961-62 Bobby Hull led by 34%
In 1970-71 Phil Esposito led by 32.89%
In 1966-67 Bobby Hull led by 32.69%
In 1981-82 Wayne Gretzky led by 30.43%
In 1956-57 Gordie Howe led by 25%
In 1971-72 Phil Esposito led by 24.24%
In 1999-00 Pavel Bure led by 24.14%
In 1973-74 Phil Esposito led by 23.53%
In 1991-92 Brett Hull led by 22.86%
In 2001-02 Jarome Iginla led by 21.15%
In 1987-88 Mario Lemieux led by 20%
In 2007-08 Alex Ovechkin led by 20%
In 2020-21 Auston Matthews led by 19.51%
In 1955-56 Jean Beliveau led by 19.15%
In 2014-15 Alex Ovechkin led by 18.87%

Ovechkin doesn't really dominate the goals list - but he is where he is because he is consistently one of the top producers year after year and because it's incredibly infrequent that he's injured.

Can people not actually discuss politics in here? Is that really too unreasonable of an ask FFS?

Dozzer - time to moderate.

Please.

BS charges with selective prosecution for the purpose of election inference lawfare. Corrupt judge who has a daughter fund raising off the case and refused to remove himself from the case with no underpinning justification for turning misdemeanors beyond the statue of limitations into felonies with a jury as brainwashed and bias as you are.



Prove that any other charities out there aren't just there as a hiding place for money. He didn't make those rules, he just plays that charity game just like the Clintons, Gates and everybody else.



That's what business does some of the time. There are another 500+ successful ones that have created billions of dollars. This is like a player having a 95% shooting percentage and you female doging that he missed the net 5% of the time. It has no logic much like the rest of your argument.



Meaningless.



Because they're lies, false accusations and BS stories told 40 years after they allegedly occurred. But you live in a Marxist world where accusations are the same as convictions with a fair trial because putting somebody behind bars for their difference of political opinion is more important than the truth or justice.



Another "werd" CNN story crippling your TDS mind.
- Rare_Jewel

sound like you are speaking about the supreme court justices.

sound like you are speaking about the supreme court justices.
- dmnted

Because they actually protect the constitution rather than destroy it?

Or are we talking about the one that can't even define what a woman is?

Can people not actually discuss politics in here? Is that really too unreasonable of an ask FFS?

Dozzer - time to moderate.

Please.
- Cush29

Good luck with the TDS Marxists, they can't do it.

He ain’t getting close to Gretzky’s record.

- TurdFergeson

He's looking like the Kingpin

Can people not actually discuss politics in here? Is that really too unreasonable of an ask FFS?

Dozzer - time to moderate.

Please.
- Cush29

There's one clear piece of poop here who needs the lifetime ip ban again, and it's not even AA for once.

Even when he talks hockey all he does is routinely be a condescending wiener.

Pretty sure we're just going to find out pointing out the mod needs to mod is actually a more severe infraction than being that consistent fire starting POS though.

There's one clear piece of poop here who needs the lifetime ip ban again, and it's not even AA for once.

Even when he talks hockey all he does is routinely be a condescending wiener.

Pretty sure we're just going to find out pointing out the mod needs to mod is actually a more severe infraction than being that consistent fire starting POS though.
- joel878

If someone always proves you wrong, silence him. Such an unoriginal technique and yet not surprising.