Nothing really supports that. It's a weirdly detailed shot in the dark.

Everyone rallying around Miller to get better including players coaches and staff/management supports he left for personal reasons. If he was forced out, then the mood and statements from the players would have been different. I'm sure Miller's agent wouldnt let them get away with doing that to his client. Not a fkn chance. Look at the damage it's done to his rep.
- boonerbuck

Both EP116 & JTM, both more drama than they're worth. Think Burke would have put up with that?

Wonder how debrusk feels about this poop?

Wonder how debrusk feels about this poop?
- Bettmanhatesus

Poor guy!!

Additional from Gary Mason...

Obviously a lot of interest in my interview with Jim Rutherford. I mentioned that he said it was a possibility the two players could remain with the team for the rest of the season. Because of space, I couldn't include the full quote but I think it's important to pass along ...
- VanHockeyGuy

Was there more to this?

Edit: found it...


@garymasonglobe
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I asked him what happens if the team goes on a streak and starts winning regularly. He said: "We evaluate things on a regular basis so we'll see. When you win everybody feels better. Does that make the players feel better? Does that make these two individuals feel better?"


"All those factors play into the decision. We don't want to trade these players. But we may very well be forced to."
9:46 PM · Jan 28, 2025

I'm not saying that he definitely was asked. You're saying it was "stated" he took the leave, then backtracked to "it was implied". Those aren't the same things.

As Loady said, I could ask my boss for a personal leave, or my boss could tell me I should take a personal leave to get my head straight. Being on personal leave doesn't relay one way or the other who initiated it.
- NewYorkNuck

The Canucks made a statement he took a leave for personal reasons, i dont know how to make this clearer.

Was there more to this?
- NewYorkNuck

.

Mason just added that little bit as he didn't have room?

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Mason just added that little bit as he didn't have room?
- VanHockeyGuy

I added his extra bit to my above post

Both EP116 & JTM, both more drama than they're worth.
- VanHockeyGuy

This kind of drama should be gone if you get rid of the one player who is targeting players on his team with his bullying and overbearing behavior.

People who refuse to understand that remind me of the idiot refs who send both players off for roughing because one player punched the other in the side of the head. Perhaps his salary had something to do with why he goes to the box... idk.


Again, if Petey's contract is an issue with people, then fair enough but that is a separate issue and not a locker room one.

The Canucks made a statement he took a leave for personal reasons, i dont know how to make this clearer.
- neem55

Being wrong makes that hard.

If they tried to suspend him it would have been instantly appealed by the players union. He was sent home, they’d paid him roughly 1 million bucks to stay away. They didn’t IR him or anything. He was told to stay home.
- TurdFergeson

You dont get paid during a leave of absence, have you taken a leave of absence before? Im very confused that no one on here doesn't seem to know how these things work in the workd of unions/jobs. Paid leaves of absence are extremely rare, need to be for a specific reason ie/paternity. Your coach yelled too loud does not qualify.

Being wrong makes that hard.
- Marwood

Being unemployed makes it really hard to undrstand a leave of absence, i get it softy.

I don’t really understand the questioning of having to trade both Miller and Pettersson. Logically you trade the player who causes the problems and there have been enough rumours from different sources that lead one to see that Miller is the player who rubs people the wrong way and, for lack of a better word, can be seen as a bully. That kind of attitude can be tolerated at first with his style of play but it grows old with a group after a while.

Another way to look at it is one player is turning 32 now which statistically means he will begin to decline while the other player just turned 26 and is entering their prime years. I would think you would want to move forward with the latter if you are trying to avoid a rebuild anytime soon.

Being in Winnipeg I saw a similar situation play out with the Jets when Wheeler was on the team. He drove out some younger players over his time here. You could see a difference with the team when he was finally cut loose and I would hope the same can happen with the Canucks if they do the same with Miller.

That’s my view of things!

I don’t really understand the questioning of having to trade both Miller and Pettersson. Logically you trade the player who causes the problems and there have been enough rumours from different sources that lead one to see that Miller is the player who rubs people the wrong way and, for lack of a better word, can be seen as a bully. That kind of attitude can be tolerated at first with his style of play but it grows old with a group after a while.

Another way to look at it is one player is turning 32 now which statistically means he will begin to decline while the other player just turned 26 and is entering their prime years. I would think you would want to move forward with the latter if you are trying to avoid a rebuild anytime soon.

Being in Winnipeg I saw a similar situation play out with the Jets when Wheeler was on the team. He drove out some younger players over his time here. You could see a difference with the team when he was finally cut loose and I would hope the same can happen with the Canucks if they do the same with Miller.

That’s my view of things!
- Canuck204

You dont get paid during a leave of absence, have you taken a leave of absence before? Im very confused that no one on here doesn't seem to know how these things work in the workd of unions/jobs. Paid leaves of absence are extremely rare, need to be for a specific reason ie/paternity. Your coach yelled too loud does not qualify.
- neem55

The NHL isn't a typical profession, you should probably just let this one die. Miller was granted a leave of absence by the team, regardless of who initiated it.

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Are the NHL players on leaves of absence still getting paid?

“In a typical situation, a player that is granted a personal leave of absence from their club will continue to be paid and continue to count against the salary cap,” Saccucci explained in an email to the Star.

https://www.thestar.com/s...ee-87fc-ff541290faaa.html

So guys, this is what happened, in a nutshell. Not verbatim.

When Petey signed his new deal Miller kinda took it personal that it was so much more than his, he was always hard on Petey but he took it to another level because he felt like he needed to hold Petey to a certain standard based on his contract. He was relentless on the kid, apparently.

Not only is that not his job, to hold another player to a contract standard, it got to the point where it was outright abusive. You can hold a player to on-ice standards (missed assignment/laziness), but it ends there player vs player. That's when Tocchet stepped in and said "enough". Miller then had it out with Tocchet, not a good career move. He was asked to remove himself from the team.

There, that's what I was told from ex-players who kind of dug into the situation.
- Pacificgem

Crazy. I've posted separately that I thought Miller might have had a problem with the $ and that his leave was rooted in being asked to leave due to something with tocchet, but I never really suspected such an (alleged) bully angle.

I mean it all kinds of checks out, and with how much leaks out with this organization seems pretty plausible. Pretty crazy prez comes out and acknowledges rift. Like Alvin must have tried every trick in the book to get best value, but must be just nothing but lowballs. JR must finally have figured screw it, let's acknowledge and see if we can get the offers up now that everyone knows something has to get done.

I don’t really understand the questioning of having to trade both Miller and Pettersson. Logically you trade the player who causes the problems and there have been enough rumours from different sources that lead one to see that Miller is the player who rubs people the wrong way and, for lack of a better word, can be seen as a bully. That kind of attitude can be tolerated at first with his style of play but it grows old with a group after a while.

Another way to look at it is one player is turning 32 now which statistically means he will begin to decline while the other player just turned 26 and is entering their prime years. I would think you would want to move forward with the latter if you are trying to avoid a rebuild anytime soon.

Being in Winnipeg I saw a similar situation play out with the Jets when Wheeler was on the team. He drove out some younger players over his time here. You could see a difference with the team when he was finally cut loose and I would hope the same can happen with the Canucks if they do the same with Miller.

That’s my view of things!
- Canuck204

Yeah good point, I remember the Wheeler stuff.

It's a shame given how well the team played last year, but sounds totally untenable.

Another thing every team now has to consider is that here's two professionals that could not sort it out, and am I comfortable taking one of those human beings on. Imagine easier for a team like Buffalo to consider given they don't really have anything going, but for a team that does, do you want to bring that potential unwillingness to sort things out (either of them) into your room if you have something good going on, or at least recently had good things going on - example:NYR.

Being unemployed makes it really hard to undrstand a leave of absence, i get it softy.
- neem55

Being a shop steward makes it hard to spell when trying to put someone down.

You dont get paid during a leave of absence, have you taken a leave of absence before? Im very confused that no one on here doesn't seem to know how these things work in the workd of unions/jobs. Paid leaves of absence are extremely rare, need to be for a specific reason ie/paternity. Your coach yelled too loud does not qualify.
- neem55

Apparently it does ... and yes pro sports is not like your run of the mill (no pun intended) union.

I find it amazing how many posters get fixated on the 1 hit wonder season.
- Reubenkincade

I said it myself last year that it was a mirage and Tocchet bump and that the fundamental flaws in this team would show up. Well, history has bore me out.

Was there more to this?

Edit: found it...


@garymasonglobe
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48m
I asked him what happens if the team goes on a streak and starts winning regularly. He said: "We evaluate things on a regular basis so we'll see. When you win everybody feels better. Does that make the players feel better? Does that make these two individuals feel better?"


"All those factors play into the decision. We don't want to trade these players. But we may very well be forced to."
9:46 PM · Jan 28, 2025
- NewYorkNuck

Winning solves everything. Everyone on the team knows JT Miller is an ashole. It’s a running joke. So what.

This soft as f@ck team needs some of that bad boy sh!t on the ice and especially in the playoffs.

The real part of the situation was kept out. How media troll like. Canucks won’t trade unless forced too. Winning changes everything.

All you queens grab your knickers it’s about to get real for the next month.

Wonder how debrusk feels about this poop?
- Bettmanhatesus

What does he care, he got paid

This kind of drama should be gone if you get rid of the one player who is targeting players on his team with his bullying and overbearing behavior.

People who refuse to understand that remind me of the idiot refs who send both players off for roughing because one player punched the other in the side of the head. Perhaps his salary had something to do with why he goes to the box... idk.


Again, if Petey's contract is an issue with people, then fair enough but that is a separate issue and not a locker room one.
- boonerbuck

I keep thinking of a post I made on another site that QH liked saying”this team needs new blood”.

The NHL isn't a typical profession, you should probably just let this one die. Miller was granted a leave of absence by the team, regardless of who initiated it.

--------------------------------------------------------------

Are the NHL players on leaves of absence still getting paid?

“In a typical situation, a player that is granted a personal leave of absence from their club will continue to be paid and continue to count against the salary cap,” Saccucci explained in an email to the Star.

https://www.thestar.com/s...ee-87fc-ff541290faaa.html
- Pacificgem

Educate yourself instead of being stubborn about being wrong Neemer. You are a representative for your workforce for fuck's sake.

Another thing every team now has to consider is that here's two professionals that could not sort it out, and am I comfortable taking one of those human beings on. Imagine easier for a team like Buffalo to consider given they don't really have anything going, but for a team that does, do you want to bring that potential unwillingness to sort things out (either of them) into your room if you have something good going on, or at least recently had good things going on - example:NYR.
- Sayros

It all depends on the price.

If Vancouver wants value in return, it’s a hard pass.*

If they are just looking to get rid of their problem, there’s always a team or two willing to take the risk.
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*Of course, historically there has always been one GM dumb enough to make stupid moves. I miss Milbury.