Every post you make shows that you have no comprehension or understanding. It's just fueled by your absurd blind optimism. You live in a fantasy world absent of any reality when it comes to the sport of hockey.
- MJL

And you live in a dark and pessimistic world. I don't have blind optimism but I am optimisitic. What you have is nothing short of blind rage.

Are the following players great?

Nick "The Shot Blocker" Seeler

Ryan "Stonehedge/Stone Hands" Poehling

The Room™

Garrett "The Granite" Hathaway

Erik "At least I am not that Gustafsson guy" Johnson

Marc "I am not a toilet" Stahl

These are all players that gmdb extended and or signed or refuses to traded

The builder of this great team said the way to acquire elite talent is through the draft -- you do not find elite talent in the picking in the teens you get players like The Room™ and Hugh Jessimons

You are an utter fool for believing everything they tell you
- corduroy

Many of these are not relevant.

Staal was not re-signed. He was added on a 1 year deal and played 30 games as a 7th D.

EJ was brought in and re-signed to take over the 7th D role from Staal. Again Irrelevant.

Laughton was re-signed 3 years ago by Fletcher. DB hasnt refused to trade him. They are listening to offers right now. Hes signed for another year so there is no a rush to move him. Unless they plan to keep him on the 4th line he probably will be moved between now and the draft. All we have a rumour that there was a 1st offered for him.

Poehling is a 25 year old reclamation project. No reason to move him right now. Good 4th line piece that you can monitor and be part of the teams future. Not worth moving.

Hathaway is a 4th line guy. Doesnt really matter that they kept him. He has some value to the team. Not like the return would have been substantial.

Seeler should have been moved. He is blocking a roster spot. Should have been shorter term with no trade protection at least

Regarding the letter, I have zero doubt management truly believes they are building a contender and doing it the right way. Like George Costanza says, it’s not a lie if you believe it.

Which makes it all the more entertaining or frightening depending on what you want to get out of this. They believe they are on the path, and Hilferty in particular is very amusing as he brought a corporate zero accountability triumvirate structure and applying it to hockey.

No I would not consider the team currenty as special. I honestly don't know how the Flyers are going to get a more competitive roster next year. There are options but I don't know what road they are going down. The 6 picks to me have little value in an average at best draft, especially if the highest of those picks is something like 15. Sometimes the best actions are the ones you don't make. So far Briere has taken a few steps, but good steps for the most part. The Provorov trade was a strong one for Briere, and then taking a throw in from that trade in Sean Walker and turning that into another 1st round pick was also a strong move. Getting rid of players like Hayes and DeAngelo were also very good moves to make. Not spending money they don't have on FAs as bandaids has also been a positive sign.

Now you can argue extending TK and Tippet especially were dumb moves, you may be right. We'll see how that works out over time. Seeler and Hathaway are such small potatoes cap wise I don't think their extensions matter. They are good players any team would want, so if the Flyers wanted to move on from either of them they could.

This off season will really be the one to watch. Like I said, if the Flyers don't make singificant changes and show ore urgency in getting top end talent, I think the fans are right to be alarmed. Right now, its too early.
- jd250

No team is taking on that Seeler contract; and it is year 1. GH may have interest though the Flyers once again will not move him.

End of the day you have complete trust in this group turning this franchise around. Many do not. That is the disconnect.

Things are so tight in the standings right now that if the Flyers went on a 7-3 run they would have a decent chance of making the playoffs. So you say I have no sense of reality. What did I say in my prevous post that was wrong?
- jd250

98% of what you post is wrong. That is proven. No they wouldn't. Again showing that you have no concept or understanding of the standings. The Flyers coming into last night's game were on a 6-3-1 run. Which is a .650 points percentage. Only 5 teams in the league have a points percentage that high over the season. Do you know how much ground they made up? Zero! There are 7 teams ahead of the Flyers in the wild card race. The Flyers have played at around a .500 points percentage all season. With dips slightly lower or higher. They would have to play at a .600 points percentage for the rest of the season just to have a chance at the playoffs. This has all been explained to you in how the NHL standings has been designed to show false parity. You'll never get it.

And you live in a dark and pessimistic world. I don't have blind optimism but I am optimisitic. What you have is nothing short of blind rage.
- jd250

There is no darkness or rage. Nor pessimism in my world. Only informed intelligence supported by known facts. There is nothing you can do to change that.

No team is taking on that Seeler contract; and it is year 1. GH may have interest though the Flyers once again will not move him.

End of the day you have complete trust in this group turning this franchise around. Many do not. That is the disconnect.
- furio16

I would not say I have complete trust, but right now they have not earned my distrust. I am simply giving them a shot to succeed and rooting hard for them to do so. Like I said, If I don't see some significant actions soon my trust will start to dissolve.

There is no darkness or rage. Nor pessimism in my world. Only informed intelligence supported by known facts. There is nothing you can do to change that.
- MJL

I am not here to change that. Your opinion is your opinion, and though I disagree with your opinions most of the time, you have a right to them. I however also have a right to my opinions.

I would not say I have complete trust, but right now they have not earned my distrust. I am simply giving them a shot to succeed and rooting hard for them to do so. Like I said, If I don't see some significant actions soon my trust will start to dissolve.
- jd250

The simple fact he won't fire Rocky should tell you all you need to know.

No I would not consider the team currenty as special. I honestly don't know how the Flyers are going to get a more competitive roster next year. There are options but I don't know what road they are going down. The 6 picks to me have little value in an average at best draft, especially if the highest of those picks is something like 15. Sometimes the best actions are the ones you don't make. So far Briere has taken a few steps, but good steps for the most part. The Provorov trade was a strong one for Briere, and then taking a throw in from that trade in Sean Walker and turning that into another 1st round pick was also a strong move. Getting rid of players like Hayes and DeAngelo were also very good moves to make. Not spending money they don't have on FAs as bandaids has also been a positive sign.

Now you can argue extending TK and Tippet especially were dumb moves, you may be right. We'll see how that works out over time. Seeler and Hathaway are such small potatoes cap wise I don't think their extensions matter. They are good players any team would want, so if the Flyers wanted to move on from either of them they could.

This off season will really be the one to watch. Like I said, if the Flyers don't make singificant changes and show ore urgency in getting top end talent, I think the fans are right to be alarmed. Right now, its too early.
- jd250

Read what you wrote after taking off your orange colored glasses. You can not say how they are building anything special, hell you admit that you do not know what they are doing or how they will accomplish building a special team.

Yet you blindly believe that the triumvirate are straight shooters and by golly they are going to get it right this time!

No team is taking on that Seeler contract; and it is year 1. GH may have interest though the Flyers once again will not move him.

End of the day you have complete trust in this group turning this franchise around. Many do not. That is the disconnect.
- furio16

Seeler has No trade protection until end of next season so not really worth discussing trade. He will have teams interested.

At the end of the day the movement of "Role players" is not a main concern. In the bigger picture none of it matters. The concern should be on getting the pieces we need to contend in the future. I expect PHI will probably be a lot more active around Draft day unless Briere has some 2006-2007 Holmgren type moves in the works.

98% of what you post is wrong. That is proven. No they wouldn't. Again showing that you have no concept or understanding of the standings. The Flyers coming into last night's game were on a 6-3-1 run. Which is a .650 points percentage. Only 5 teams in the league have a points percentage that high over the season. Do you know how much ground they made up? Zero! There are 7 teams ahead of the Flyers in the wild card race. The Flyers have played at around a .500 points percentage all season. With dips slightly lower or higher. They would have to play at a .600 points percentage for the rest of the season just to have a chance at the playoffs. This has all been explained to you in how the NHL standings has been designed to show false parity. You'll never get it.
- MJL

So lets break this down. Going into last night the Flyers were on a 6-3-1 run, however they lost last night so since the second half of the season has commenced, the Flyers are 6-4-1. So I was correct. You said the Flyers would have to play at a .600 points percentage for the rest of the season to have a chance at the playoffs. I said if the Flyers went 7-3 in their next 10 games they would be right back in a playoff spot. 7-3 is a .700 win percentage which is higher than a .600 win percentage you project, so again, I was correct. We are pretty much saying the same things. I previously stated this team is a basically a .500 team that is only in the playoff hunt because other teams around them are in a similar situation, which is also 100% correct.

Read what you wrote after taking off your orange colored glasses. You can not say how they are building anything special, hell you admit that you do not know what they are doing or how they will accomplish building a special team.

Yet you blindly believe that the triumvirate are straight shooters and by golly they are going to get it right this time!
- corduroy

All I am saying is its too early to judge them as liars, frauds and incompetent leaders. I think we need to see how this off season goes before we know what they are.

Seeler has No trade protection until end of next season so not really worth discussing trade. He will have teams interested.

At the end of the day the movement of "Role players" is not a main concern. In the bigger picture none of it matters. The concern should be on getting the pieces we need to contend in the future. I expect PHI will probably be a lot more active around Draft day unless Briere has some 2006-2007 Holmgren type moves in the works.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

What teams will be interested in a 3rd pair dman who is overpaid with term? Seeler will be another Flyers lifer.

Flyers value role players over top end players. Wish I could find the quote Danny made about not wanting to be the Oilers or Leafs in terms of elite talent; rather build with depth.

None of it matters is typical Flyers homerism. All the small stuff adds up. Nah doesn't matter. When do the Flyers ever win at the margins?

The simple fact he won't fire Rocky should tell you all you need to know.
- furio16

This one I agreed 100% on ... and I posted it last night during the game. The Flyers power play is tragically comical right now. Rocky may be a good coach and good guy, but the Flyers need a new voice there. And I think that will happen this off season. The fact that the Flyers have Briere, LeClair and Sharpe meeting with Rocky monthly about the PP and hearing the tone in Tort's voice when he is asked about it, I think the writing is on the wall already.

What teams will be interested in a 3rd pair dman who is overpaid with term? Seeler will be another Flyers lifer.

Flyers value role players over top end players. Wish I could find the quote Danny made about not wanting to be the Oilers or Leafs in terms of elite talent; rather build with depth.

None of it matters is typical Flyers homerism. All the small stuff adds up. Nah doesn't matter. When do the Flyers ever win at the margins?
- furio16

Teams are always interested in improving defensive depth going into the playoffs. GMs will tell you to make a serious cup run you need to be 10 defenseman deep at least. Seeler is a good veteran defenseman that is pretty cheap. The Flyers can move him any time they want.

This one I agreed 100% on ... and I posted it last night during the game. The Flyers power play is tragically comical right now. Rocky may be a good coach and good guy, but the Flyers need a new voice there. And I think that will happen this off season. The fact that the Flyers have Briere, LeClair and Sharpe meeting with Rocky monthly about the PP and hearing the tone in Tort's voice when he is asked about it, I think the writing is on the wall already.
- jd250

Who cares about the meetings. Just shows their incompetence he is still around. When you can't make a simple move how can you trust to make the hard ones?

What value do Sharp and Leclair add? I don't see anything tangible.

Many of these are not relevant.

Staal was not re-signed. He was added on a 1 year deal and played 30 games as a 7th D.

EJ was brought in and re-signed to take over the 7th D role from Staal. Again Irrelevant.

Laughton was re-signed 3 years ago by Fletcher. DB hasnt refused to trade him. They are listening to offers right now. Hes signed for another year so there is no a rush to move him. Unless they plan to keep him on the 4th line he probably will be moved between now and the draft. All we have a rumour that there was a 1st offered for him.

Poehling is a 25 year old reclamation project. No reason to move him right now. Good 4th line piece that you can monitor and be part of the teams future. Not worth moving.

Hathaway is a 4th line guy. Doesnt really matter that they kept him. He has some value to the team. Not like the return would have been substantial.

Seeler should have been moved. He is blocking a roster spot. Should have been shorter term with no trade protection at least
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The signings of plugs like stahl and johnson are moves the GM made that make no sense - my wording was imperfect - I apologize

You are absolutely correct they are listening for offers on The Room™. Here is a leaked phone call with Canes GM 2 days before the Rantanen trade went down:

Hey danny Tulsky here -- we would love to trade for The Room™ what will it take? Yo What is up Eric! I have talked to torts and jonesy and the consensus is we want 2 firsts, a second, a fourth, big macs for the front office every Tuesday for a year, and filet o fishes for the team during lent.

Signing rp and gh in and of themselves are not big deals EXTENDING them instead of TRADING them is

You yourself admit that they are all 4th line players -- teams that want to rebuild generally do not extend these types of players -- worse comes to worse your top AHL line should be able to fill that role

Keep drinking the Kool Aid -- its rather tasty

Teams are always interested in improving defensive depth going into the playoffs. GMs will tell you to make a serious cup run you need to be 10 defenseman deep at least. Seeler is a good veteran defenseman that is pretty cheap. The Flyers can move him any time they want.
- jd250

2.7 with 4 years is not cheap for a 3rd pair dman who is having a bad year in year 1 of said deal. It was/is a terrible deal.

I am not here to change that. Your opinion is your opinion, and though I disagree with your opinions most of the time, you have a right to them. I however also have a right to my opinions.
- jd250

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Nobody has ever said that you have no right to an opinion. It would be nice though if you would learn and have your opinions somewhat based in reality. Rather than the absurd fantasy that they're based in.

See my post upthread. It’s season ticket holders that take the brunt of these increases. If you’re going to buy one or two games a year its not worth getting upset about increases plus when the flyers are as mediocre as they are now you can get tickets below face value on stub hub. Season ticket holders don't have thar option
- Briere

What im saying its easy to have season tickets in Philadelphia, where it's affordable compared to other city's like toronto

So dont cry if I lived in Philadelphia I would certainly have season tickets

Very easy to understand. Danny doesn't have the authority to fire him.
- furio16

Sure he does he has the ability to fire the whole coaching staff if he wanted 2.

What makes u think danny can't wile other hockey gm can

Seeler has No trade protection until end of next season so not really worth discussing trade. He will have teams interested.

At the end of the day the movement of "Role players" is not a main concern. In the bigger picture none of it matters. The concern should be on getting the pieces we need to contend in the future. I expect PHI will probably be a lot more active around Draft day unless Briere has some 2006-2007 Holmgren type moves in the works.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You're completely wrong. If the Flyers removed role players such as Seeler and Hathaway. Two things would happen. One more roater.space for younger players and most importantly. A likely drop in the standings resulting in a higher draft pick. It matters a great deal.

So lets break this down. Going into last night the Flyers were on a 6-3-1 run, however they lost last night so since the second half of the season has commenced, the Flyers are 6-4-1. So I was correct. You said the Flyers would have to play at a .600 points percentage for the rest of the season to have a chance at the playoffs. I said if the Flyers went 7-3 in their next 10 games they would be right back in a playoff spot. 7-3 is a .700 win percentage which is higher than a .600 win percentage you project, so again, I was correct. We are pretty much saying the same things. I previously stated this team is a basically a .500 team that is only in the playoff hunt because other teams around them are in a similar situation, which is also 100% correct.
- jd250

It's not only a lack of hockey knowledge. It's a lack of reading comprehension and common sense. Are there only 10 games left in the season? LOL.
Your last statement is not correct. They're not in the playoff hunt as I just simply and plainly pointed out to you. You can't understand it. They have a 7% chance of making the playoffs

Who cares about the meetings. Just shows their incompetence he is still around. When you can't make a simple move how can you trust to make the hard ones?

What value do Sharp and Leclair add? I don't see anything tangible.
- furio16

Besides being great hockey players I agree, we have seen only marginal improvement to the PP this year. They are at 16% this year, which is better than the 12% they finished at last year. Still their zone entries are pathetic and they need to win o-zone faceoffs more consistently, though they have improved recently.