It’s all conjecture…. You can no sooner say that they aren’t gonna be a contender for multiple years than I can say it’s a great deal. Slow rebuild in the NHL don’t happen in general…Florida and Colorado went from very bad to very good quickly. It’s just impossible to tell how long it’s gonna take in the NHL. Too many moving parts.
- Eklund

FLA and COL had the necessary ingredients in their lineups that statistically lead to championships. The Flyers have 0 of those ingredients. If they had the building blocks, you have an argument. Statistics and analytics play a very small role in the day to day thinking of this franchise and that is why they aren't going to be a contender. A bubble team, sure. They will puff out their chests and declare "Anything can happen!" but a well built contender for the long term? Not a chance.

There are varying opinions in the organization on that one. He turned into a pretty good teaching coach here which is a shift for him. Is he the coach that takes you to the next level though?
- Eklund

Tortorella is a terrible developmental coach. If they ever get some top talent in here. The next coach will completely need to change how they play.

Chicago Blackhawks will take farabee for two second rounders. Gourd for farabee makes no sense for the flyers. Gourd is not the player he once was. Plus flyers are kinda rebuilding/retooling. Hard pass imo

Ek, the point is with Walker. They didn't trade him because of rebuilding. They traded him because they couldn't come to an agreement. They wanted to keep him.
- MJL

I get your point. I just don’t agree with it. They made a token offer that they knew Walker wouldn’t take. But by doing so they could tell the team that they tried because he was a big part of the locker room. They had no intention of keeping him and he was never gonna take that offer

Yes, they’ll be major contributors.

Things don’t move that slowly in the NHL.. especially if you have some cap space which they will have. Philadelphia is a place where a majority of players want to come and play. Within the next three years they will peak, I believe. This year they’ve beaten better teams than they beat last year… and been more competitive as well against top teams.
- Eklund

That approach has worked so well the last 15 years, hasn't it? This team is at best 7-10 years away if they do it correctly. Which they won't. Every year they refuse, just adds more time. The Flyers have beaten maybe 6 or 7 good teams this season. They have one of the fewest RW in the league. They're not a good team and they have no legit future path to contention.

I'd gladly trade Ristolainen for Gourde. Then it would make a lot if sense. Then I would flip Gourde for an asset at the deadline.
- MJL

Why does Seatlle do that? Follow your own advice.

Tortorella is a terrible developmental coach. If they ever get some top talent in here. The next coach will completely need to change how they play.
- MJL

This is a big question. If your not extending Tortorella then who is the coach moving forward? I don't see anyone in Lehigh that I want. So what is the point of Tortorella if your getting a new coach next year who will want to bring his philosophy.

Looking at this, I feel they are going to just elevate one of the assistants or Lappy. which I think will continue to keep the team in purgatory.

It’s a bit hindsight in my opinion. Getting hot in 2010 and going all the way to the finals was awesome but it also changed expectations around here.. they weren’t bad enough to completely tear it down. And hextall fell in love with prospects. So bringing people in for draft picks and prospects wasn’t happening either…. In my opinion, that’s why they got stuck..

This management group is not playing at halfway. They didn’t expect this team to be as good as they are for sure, but you have to be really careful how you handle that. They are very much open for business, but they aren’t gonna give away players either. They won a lot for Risto because you can’t get a player like him at that price and he’s playing the best hockey of his career right now… it takes a while for defenseman to mature in this league… starting to see that out of drysdale as well
- Eklund

They aren't good! What are you talking about? Ristolainen is still a mediocre 3rd pair NHL defenseman.

I get your point. I just don’t agree with it. They made a token offer that they knew Walker wouldn’t take. But by doing so they could tell the team that they tried because he was a big part of the locker room. They had no intention of keeping him and he was never gonna take that offer
- Eklund

It wasn't a token offer. He was offered more than what Carolina ended up paying him.

This is a big question. If your not extending Tortorella then who is the coach moving forward? I don't see anyone in Lehigh that I want. So what is the point of Tortorella if your getting a new coach next year who will want to bring his philosophy.

Looking at this, I feel they are going to just elevate one of the assistants or Lappy. which I think will continue to keep the team in purgatory.
- J35Bacher

University of Denver………

It wasn't a token offer. He was offered more than what Carolina ended up paying him.
- furio16

He overvalued himself and they knew that. He wasn’t taking it..

University of Denver………
- Eklund

100% that will not happen. If he leaves, he will have more attractive offers on the table.
Danny is too scared to hire an unknown IMO. Maybe if they drafted Buium.

That approach has worked so well the last 15 years, hasn't it? This team is at best 7-10 years away if they do it correctly. Which they won't. Every year they refuse, just adds more time. The Flyers have beaten maybe 6 or 7 good teams this season. They have one of the fewest RW in the league. They're not a good team and they have no legit future path to contention.
- MJL

7-10 years??????

He overvalued himself and they knew that. He wasn’t taking it..
- Eklund

Doesn't changed what I said. Flyers offered him a good money not a token deal.

100% that will not happen. If he leaves, he will have more attractive offers on the table.
Danny is too scared to hire an unknown IMO.
- furio16

You have no basis to say that. He’s not an unknown first of all. Danny is not scared of anything I can tell you that much. He might not make every right move, but he’s not afraid of anything and he will become more aggressive as a team gets better, which is what he should do… and Philadelphia is a franchise coaches love to come to. There’s an expression around the league that they are part of the original seven….

Doesn't changed what I said. Flyers offered him a good money not a token deal.
- furio16

Sure it does. If the agent has let it be known that he wants a certain amount and you offer one to 1.5 million less than that, you know he’s not gonna take it…..

They aren't good! What are you talking about? Ristolainen is still a mediocre 3rd pair NHL defenseman.
- MJL

The Flyers have 52pts.


Metro Division:
Islanders 51
Penguins 48

Atlantic Division:
Redwings 53
Montreal 53
Sabres 43

In the West:
STL 50
Utah 49
ANA 48
SEA 47
NSH 43
CHI 37
SJ 36

A 5 game losing streak and some winning streaks by others and the Flyers are a bottom 5 team. Not sure why people keep saying this team is a good team.

I can honestly still see the Islanders and Penguins passing the Flyers which would put them in the basement of the metro.

It’s all conjecture…. You can no sooner say that they aren’t gonna be a contender for multiple years than I can say it’s a great deal. Slow rebuild in the NHL don’t happen in general…Florida and Colorado went from very bad to very good quickly. It’s just impossible to tell how long it’s gonna take in the NHL. Too many moving parts.
- Eklund

It seems as though you don't understand rebuilds and how they work. How many years after Colorado drafted MacKinnon and Landeskog? Drafted Rantanen. Ita decade long process. The core of Florida is Barkov and Ekblad. They wouldn't have been able to trade for Tkachuk without drafting Huberdeau. Look at that timeline! Also a decade long process for Florida.

You have no basis to say that. He’s not an unknown first of all. Danny is not scared of anything I can tell you that much. He might not make every right move, but he’s not afraid of anything and he will become more aggressive as a team gets better, which is what he should do… and Philadelphia is a franchise coaches love to come to. There’s an expression around the league that they are part of the original seven….
- Eklund

Yes, I have the same basis as you to say it. He is an unknow at the NHL level.

Simple question. Will that coach have more attractive options to choose from besides the Flyers?

Next time Danny is aggressive will be the first time. Danny needs buy in from Jones and Torst to do anything.

You have no basis to say that. He’s not an unknown first of all. Danny is not scared of anything I can tell you that much. He might not make every right move, but he’s not afraid of anything and he will become more aggressive as a team gets better, which is what he should do… and Philadelphia is a franchise coaches love to come to. There’s an expression around the league that they are part of the original seven….
- Eklund

His quote about "no undo button" doesn't bring me to believe he is aggressive.

Also you can't just sit and hope to get better. You need to be proactive and get yourself in position to get better.

Just waiting and hoping isn't a plan.

I get your point. I just don’t agree with it. They made a token offer that they knew Walker wouldn’t take. But by doing so they could tell the team that they tried because he was a big part of the locker room. They had no intention of keeping him and he was never gonna take that offer
- Eklund

Then you're disagreeing with facts. A team that intends to trade a player due to rebuilding doesn't negotiate to re-sign

Then you're disagreeing with facts. A team that intends to trade a player due to rebuilding doesn't negotiate to re-sign
- MJL

Come on MJL, Danny's just playing chess and others checkers.

Sure it does. If the agent has let it be known that he wants a certain amount and you offer one to 1.5 million less than that, you know he’s not gonna take it…..
- Eklund

They still offered him more than he signed for. Your argument was it was a token offer. It was 100% not a token offer.

It’s all conjecture…. You can no sooner say that they aren’t gonna be a contender for multiple years than I can say it’s a great deal. Slow rebuild in the NHL don’t happen in general…Florida and Colorado went from very bad to very good quickly. It’s just impossible to tell how long it’s gonna take in the NHL. Too many moving parts.
- Eklund

Where did both those teams draft for years? It was not in the teens I can tell you that much

7-10 years??????
- Eklund

Yes, that is generally what it takes to go from door mat to Cup champ