Your posts are the equivalent of whining to Mommy
- MJL

As typical, you have no answer and no clue! You come on this forum daily and make senseless comments and then when someone challenges you to actually back up your words you respond with nonsense like this. Please, stop enbarrassing yourself. The fact is, the Flyers play the right way. I would like them to be a bit more aggressive in their own zone on the puck, but otherwise they play the modern game as much as they can given the players they have.

Well lets talk about the options. Option 1 is the team picks in the top 3 and grabs a franchise center. That is not going to happen because this team as constituted is not bad enough to bottom out that far. Yes the Flyers could get lucky drafting a 1C in the later rounds, but the odds are low as you know.

Option 2 is free agency. Briere just stated that he would consider getting an older center but also stated the price tags for these players is extremely high and in the long run not worth it. It is possible that Flyers could sign a really good veteran center to serve as a 1C bridge until a player they are developing is ready, for example if Luchanko develops.

Option 3 is a hockey trade. Teams in general do not trade 1Cs. BUT, as we have seen recently with the Rantanan trade, elite players sometimes become available due to various reasons, like contracts for example. Florida drafted and developed Huberdeau (3rd overall) and Weeger (7th round pick) who both became very good players, and traded them to Calgary for an elite player Matthew Tkachuk. We are hearing rumblings that Vancouver might be willing to move on from Pettersson. So elite players do become available. The common denominator of trades like this a team has to have good players to trade for potential elite players. That is one aspect of this rebuild. Drafting and developing good players that can become very good NHL players, and then using them as assets to get an elite player when they become available. It takes time and frankly luck to be able to have the assets another team would take in a trade for an elite player that other team needs to move on from. We just have to have patience.
- jd250

Elite players do get traded. What are they traded for? What do the Flyers have that a team trading an elite player would want?
What could the Flyers have offered for Rantanen?
It seems as though your options are lacking in clarity.

As typical, you have no answer and no clue! You come on this forum daily and make senseless comments and then when someone challenges you to actually back up your words you respond with nonsense like this. Please, stop enbarrassing yourself. The fact is, the Flyers play the right way. I would like them to be a bit more aggressive in their own zone on the puck, but otherwise they play the modern game as much as they can given the players they have.
- jd250

Of course they do. So you want me to again get involved in a systems discussion with you. So you can tell me a low zone collapse doesn't exist again? So I have to educate you again.

You're still whining to Mommy

I think Gorde is 33, Farabee is 24-25, To me that is a waste of an asset. Gorde does nothing to help now, not like we are winning anyhting, you let Joel play his way out of this funk and take it from there.
- wcorvette

If Seattle likes Farabee so much. I would offer Farabee, Columbus 2nd and Colorado 1st for Wright.

Briere has been on the job less than 2 years. It is completely unfair to compare him to the failed attempts by Hextall (who clearly didn't have a clear vision of how he wanted to build the team) and Fletcher (who just kept trying to bandaid a marginal at best team with an aging core).
- jd250

Who did Briere learn from while employed at the NHL level? How long has he been employed by the Flyers or their affiliates?

Spinning Briere as this shiny new outside GM doesn't float.

What core would you rather have: Giroux, Simmonds, Jake, Couturier, Schenn or the current core on this roster/system?

As typical, you have no answer and no clue! You come on this forum daily and make senseless comments and then when someone challenges you to actually back up your words you respond with nonsense like this. Please, stop enbarrassing yourself. The fact is, the Flyers play the right way. I would like them to be a bit more aggressive in their own zone on the puck, but otherwise they play the modern game as much as they can given the players they have.
- jd250

Play the right way. Look where they are in the standings. They get you with all hockey cliches. The right way.

Well lets talk about the options. Option 1 is the team picks in the top 3 and grabs a franchise center. That is not going to happen because this team as constituted is not bad enough to bottom out that far. Yes the Flyers could get lucky drafting a 1C in the later rounds, but the odds are low as you know.

Option 2 is free agency. Briere just stated that he would consider getting an older center but also stated the price tags for these players is extremely high and in the long run not worth it. It is possible that Flyers could sign a really good veteran center to serve as a 1C bridge until a player they are developing is ready, for example if Luchanko develops.

Option 3 is a hockey trade. Teams in general do not trade 1Cs. BUT, as we have seen recently with the Rantanan trade, elite players sometimes become available due to various reasons, like contracts for example. Florida drafted and developed Huberdeau (3rd overall) and Weeger (7th round pick) who both became very good players, and traded them to Calgary for an elite player Matthew Tkachuk. We are hearing rumblings that Vancouver might be willing to move on from Pettersson. So elite players do become available. The common denominator of trades like this a team has to have good players to trade for potential elite players. That is one aspect of this rebuild. Drafting and developing good players that can become very good NHL players, and then using them as assets to get an elite player when they become available. It takes time and frankly luck to be able to have the assets another team would take in a trade for an elite player that other team needs to move on from. We just have to have patience.
- jd250

So, you reiterated the options I laid out which are not highly likely or cost effective. If you are going into UFA you will overpay and lose cost certainty of an elite player while giving up a ton of assets. Or, you could get into a position to make a top 5 pick and have a much better cap hit.

This rebuild relies on threading the needle and a lot of luck.

Briere has been on the job less than 2 years. It is completely unfair to compare him to the failed attempts by Hextall (who clearly didn't have a clear vision of how he wanted to build the team) and Fletcher (who just kept trying to bandaid a marginal at best team with an aging core).
- jd250

Please tell me how the results are different?

That isnt true. Its rare but they do hit FA. Tavares hit FA, Pietrangelo hit FA, Gaudreau hit FA. As of right now Marner and Rantanen are slated to hit FA
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

So one center that you can name made it FA - and that one player wanted to play for his hometown team

Happens every year

Please tell me how the results are different?
- corduroy

just remember JD also claimed CF had us on a path to contention. Glad that worked out so well...

If Seattle likes Farabee so much. I would offer Farabee, Columbus 2nd and Colorado 1st for Wright.
- MBFlyerfan

I like Farabee and Id like to keep him but I would absolutely move him in a heart beat if we could get Wright, Cozens or maybe Byfield

So one center that you can name made it FA - and that one player wanted to play for his hometown team

Happens every year
- corduroy

#1 You said elite talent in their prime never hit FA
#2 You didnt Specify C only
#3 That was off the top of my head, im sure I could find more examples if I looked
#4 I stated it was rare. Rare != Every Year

Trade are hard

#1 You said elite talent in their prime never hit FA
#2 You didnt Specify C only
#3 That was off the top of my head, im sure I could find more examples if I looked
#4 I stated it was rare. Rare != Every Year
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The whole convo was based on centers - ie hayes, Kevin. Off the top off your head only came up with one -- elite players stick out and would be rather rememberable
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https://www.sportsnet.ca/...5-latest-rumours-reports/

There is one ONE center listed here and the cats are trying to extend sb

Trade are hard


- mikeyo27

but the app YO!

Oh yeah… Gourd for Farabee. What a stupid notion

Anyone having issues with posting

Please tell me how the results are different?
- corduroy

I don't remember any Flyers GM having 3 1st round picks in back to back drafts.
Hayes and Provy removed. Didn't hang on to Atkinson. Got rid of TDA.


He did make some bad signings like Seeler though that will keep the team down.

Wil have a good chunk of change to sign the kids that are worthy of signing.

So not all bad. I mean he did get stuck with a bad team.

I don't remember any Flyers GM having 3 1st round picks in back to back drafts.
Hayes and Provy removed. Didn't hang on to Atkinson. Got rid of TDA.


He did make some bad signings like Seeler though that will keep the team down.

Wil have a good chunk of change to sign the kids that are worthy of signing.

So not all bad. I mean he did get stuck with a bad team.
- WhiskeyMan

And the team is no better today than when chuckles got fired. He traded players the coach did not like for pennies on the dollar AND had to retain salary for that to happen. He bought out players that he did not have to wasting cap space that could be used to garner assets. He resigned all but one player on expiring contracts while telling us we do not fall in love with our own players. They literally have 4 (19% of the non goalie roster) players that all have the same skill set. 2 of them HE brought in as FA's and the RESIGNED!!!

gmdb is no better at running the team than hextall or chuckles - he may actually be worse

I don't remember any Flyers GM having 3 1st round picks in back to back drafts.
Hayes and Provy removed. Didn't hang on to Atkinson. Got rid of TDA.


He did make some bad signings like Seeler though that will keep the team down.

Wil have a good chunk of change to sign the kids that are worthy of signing.

So not all bad. I mean he did get stuck with a bad team.
- WhiskeyMan

Usually GMs get stuck w a bad team or some sort of issues. Otherwise , GMs would last a bit longer...

Elite players do get traded. What are they traded for? What do the Flyers have that a team trading an elite player would want?
What could the Flyers have offered for Rantanen?
It seems as though your options are lacking in clarity.
- MJL

And you seem to struggle with reading comprehension. I JUST SAID THAT!

Please tell me how the results are different?
- corduroy

It's too early to evaluate Briere is all I am saying. Let's start with this question. What did Briere inherit from the dufas Fletcher? Do you think Briere can just start making bold moves with no cap space, bad contracts for players with little to no value and a barren prospect pool?

I like the discussion, but it is possible for a team to say a player is worth it at a certain price and then after that, not worth it given what they can get back for him… that was all plan A last year
- Eklund

Are we talking about Sean Walker? I believe Scott Walker was involved in the Tampa trade for Simon Gagne no?

Of course they do. So you want me to again get involved in a systems discussion with you. So you can tell me a low zone collapse doesn't exist again? So I have to educate you again.

You're still whining to Mommy
- MJL

Hmm .. so you are saying you feel like a women today? Sorry, Trump just ended DEI so you are going to have to find another way ...

Walker was NOT a secondary piece for Col… and yes, they tried to assign him, but only at a rate that made sense for them. Konecny deal turning out to be an absolute steal..
- Eklund

I have to disagree. Walker was traded because of the cost to re-sign him, AND because of the appropriate uproar when JvR was not traded at the deadline the season prior.
Also, you can not say that the TK deal is an "absolute steal" when it has yet to commence.