He's probably not gonna think much of Pelletier either. Two guys from Torts' doghouse are gone, replaced by two guys who will be there shortly.
- TobyFlenderson

Considering the kid had trouble sticking in the NHL and was not impressive in the AHL I am not that hopeful. They could have had him for free when the Flames put him through waivers. The only benefit is that you no longer have Bees cap hit and term.

He's probably not gonna think much of Pelletier either. Two guys from Torts' doghouse are gone, replaced by two guys who will be there shortly.
- TobyFlenderson

but only briefly! They now have 7 mill more to sign the next ND to a 4 year contract with NTC or extend Laughton.

If the plan is to sell low and bring in crap the DB’s plan is coming into focus.
- landros 2

Seriously? Do you honestly think this trade was about anything more than moving on from Frost and Farabee? Neither player had any real value. Farabee is a nice middling winger with OK skill, that's it! Frost will never be anything more than all fluff and no stuff. It was time to move on from both of them because they are what they are, and the Flyers can do a heck of a lot better. Kuzmenko will be playing in Russia next year, he was a throw in to match salary. Pelletier is an underachiever like Frost, maybe the change of scenery helps, maybe it doesn't. Who cares? The Flyers got another 2nd round pick and will free up more cap space, which gives them huge flexibility this off season. That is what rebuilding teams do.

Both Frost and Farabee have been kind of underwhelming..... yet they're the best two players in this trade (as of right now), and the picks are underwhelming. You have to wait and see what the Flyers do with the cap space and picks. This trade on face value is a loss for the Flyers.

I hope all the players involve benefit from a change of scenery.
- rayc16

Sometimes you need to take a step back to go two steps forward. This trade weakens the Flyers right now, no doubt. But that's good, because it opens the door for the Flyers to slide into the top 10 in the 1st round, and if more trades happen even into the top 5. That gets them their 1C, whether its Hagens, Misa or Frondell, or gives them huge capital to make a trade for a player like Brandt Clarke in LA. Briere IMO is moving the pieces around the board this deadline, setting the team up for a big off season.

I get that. What I think many people out here seemed to feel is that this is a triumphant of leadership. And it clearly isn’t.. They aren’t building a Tortorella team. They are building a Michkov team.. Remember Briere a skilled player himself and he knows that skilled players need skilled players to play to their top levels. Look at Kasper in Detroit. He was struggling and always in the doghouse. Suddenly gets put with Raymond and Larkin and puts up points like crazy. Ville Leino here when he was put with Briere and Giroux in 2010 playoffs.

This kind of trade puts Tortorella in the hot seat. He’s not gonna love Kuzmenko’s all around game, but if Michkov and Kuzmenko start putting up points he will be forced to go with it.. and those two in the past have shown chemistry. I don’t know this for sure, but I would bet anything that they asked Michkov about Kuzmenko and he must have given a strong endorsement.
- Eklund

Not sure how you can say that when they got rid of 2 players, they coach didnt want.

How are they building a MM team?

MM played 13 games with "Kuzie". Really is no playing connection.

Considering the kid had trouble sticking in the NHL and was not impressive in the AHL I am not that hopeful. They could have had him for free when the Flames put him through waivers. The only benefit is that you no longer have Bees cap hit and term.
- Flyfly

You nailed it. The players that came back are not part of the future here, its all about the cap space and additional 2nd round pick. Let the 2nd half tank begin!

I get that. What I think many people out here seemed to feel is that this is a triumphant of leadership. And it clearly isn’t.. They aren’t building a Tortorella team. They are building a Michkov team.. Remember Briere a skilled player himself and he knows that skilled players need skilled players to play to their top levels. Look at Kasper in Detroit. He was struggling and always in the doghouse. Suddenly gets put with Raymond and Larkin and puts up points like crazy. Ville Leino here when he was put with Briere and Giroux in 2010 playoffs.

This kind of trade puts Tortorella in the hot seat. He’s not gonna love Kuzmenko’s all around game, but if Michkov and Kuzmenko start putting up points he will be forced to go with it.. and those two in the past have shown chemistry. I don’t know this for sure, but I would bet anything that they asked Michkov about Kuzmenko and he must have given a strong endorsement.
- Eklund

Tortorella needs to be gone. There is no way he will play them if he doesn't want to. Michkov has continued to be stapled to the bench and then gets benched last night again. He is becoming a sideshow.

Seriously? Do you honestly think this trade was about anything more than moving on from Frost and Farabee? Neither player had any real value. Farabee is a nice middling winger with OK skill, that's it! Frost will never be anything more than all fluff and no stuff. It was time to move on from both of them because they are what they are, and the Flyers can do a heck of a lot better. Kuzmenko will be playing in Russia next year, he was a throw in to match salary. Pelletier is an underachiever like Frost, maybe the change of scenery helps, maybe it doesn't. Who cares? The Flyers got another 2nd round pick and will free up more cap space, which gives them huge flexibility this off season. That is what rebuilding teams do.
- jd250

So, are you admitting the Flyers are selling low?

Joel had 52 points last year. Why not move him at the draft or before free agency while value was high? Same with Frost to an extent.

Still pushing the rebuilding narrative. This is a move to appease the coach and go after a center free agent who will get severely over paid.

Tortorella needs to be gone. There is no way he will play them if he doesn't want to. Michkov has continued to be stapled to the bench and then gets benched last night again. He is becoming a sideshow.
- J35Bacher

So you think Michkov didn't deserve to get benched? Did you watch his play? It was embarassing, even for a 20 year old. He needs to be better, and unfortunately when a coaches coaching is not be adhered to, the next step is sitting the player out.

This has to be the tank move, we know they can not find a center and they traded their only center with skill, no way you replace that down the stretch. Torts said a couple days ago, that they were going to look at some more of the kids, not just Ginning. Lets hope he was showing the hand, and DB sells all that need to be sold.

If DB goes out and gets an old C, that would be tragic.


Frost and Farabee hang out, I am sure Torts didn't like that, who knows, maybe that is why DB sent them together to a team, a tip of that hat for putting up with asswipe.

This has to be the tank move, we know they can not find a center and they traded their only center with skill, no way you replace that down the stretch. Torts said a couple days ago, that they were going to look at some more of the kids, not just Ginning. Lets hope he was showing the hand, and DB sells all that need to be sold.

If DB goes out and gets an old C, that would be tragic.


Frost and Farabee hang out, I am sure Torts didn't like that, who knows, maybe that is why DB sent them together to a team, a tip of that hat for putting up with asswipe.
- wcorvette

Wasn't Joel and Hayes buddies as well?

I get that. What I think many people out here seemed to feel is that this is a triumphant of leadership. And it clearly isn’t.. They aren’t building a Tortorella team. They are building a Michkov team.. Remember Briere a skilled player himself and he knows that skilled players need skilled players to play to their top levels. Look at Kasper in Detroit. He was struggling and always in the doghouse. Suddenly gets put with Raymond and Larkin and puts up points like crazy. Ville Leino here when he was put with Briere and Giroux in 2010 playoffs.

This kind of trade puts Tortorella in the hot seat. He’s not gonna love Kuzmenko’s all around game, but if Michkov and Kuzmenko start putting up points he will be forced to go with it.. and those two in the past have shown chemistry. I don’t know this for sure, but I would bet anything that they asked Michkov about Kuzmenko and he must have given a strong endorsement.
- Eklund

They are building around a guy that the hc benches for a mistake? That is lucky to see 10 min of ice a night? That is the guy they are building around. if this is true, then not only are the hc and gm not in the same book - they are in 2 different libraries separated by three oceans

So you think Michkov didn't deserve to get benched? Did you watch his play? It was embarassing, even for a 20 year old. He needs to be better, and unfortunately when a coaches coaching is not be adhered to, the next step is sitting the player out.
- jd250

Nope.

He did not need to embarrass him like that and not all athletes learn the same way. You were also already short a forward with Frost out of the game.

Did he fly the zone? Yes.

Is he the first young player to do that? Nope

Here's a thought. How about the coach adjusts his way to maximize the players talents.

This is the reason i want Torts no where near this team. Not on the bench and not in the front office.

So, are you admitting the Flyers are selling low?

Joel had 52 points last year. Why not move him at the draft or before free agency while value was high? Same with Frost to an extent.

Still pushing the rebuilding narrative. This is a move to appease the coach and go after a center free agent who will get severely over paid.
- furio16

Yes, the Flyers are selling low, because they don't believe Frost and Farabee are ever going to be higher again. It's analogous to owning a stock. You buy a promising stock and you see it shoot up and you are happy. Then as the stock matures it starts to fall, and fall and fall. At some point you have to decide to cut your losses and dump the stock. That is exactly what Briere did. Frost and Farabee had all the opportunity in the world to show what they can do, and neither were able to perform enough to increase their value, so Briere cut his losses and dumped them. You know, at just about every NHL game there are multitudes of very smart NHL scouts that are scouting these players. They don't look at stats, they watch the games and watch the players. They watched what Frost and Farabee were as players with the Flyers, and correctly concluded both players were nothing special.

Nope.

He did not need to embarrass him like that and not all athletes learn the same way. You were also already short a forward with Frost out of the game.

Did he fly the zone? Yes.

Is he the first young player to do that? Nope

Here's a thought. How about the coach adjusts his way to maximize the players talents.

This is the reason i want Torts no where near this team. Not on the bench and not in the front office.
- J35Bacher

This is the main issue. There is no give and take. His or no way. His has proven to be the wrong way.

Nope.

He did not need to embarrass him like that and not all athletes learn the same way. You were also already short a forward with Frost out of the game.

Did he fly the zone? Yes.

Is he the first young player to do that? Nope

Here's a thought. How about the coach adjusts his way to maximize the players talents.

This is the reason i want Torts no where near this team. Not on the bench and not in the front office.
- J35Bacher

There are basics to playing in the NHL. Michkov does not have to be a shutdown defensive player, but he ought to be hungry for the puck in all three zones and responsible defensively. He's not. Sorry, that's the truth. He would rather float out at center ice or drift to the weak side of the offensive zone and wait for someone to pass him the puck. That may work in pond hockey, and even the KHL, but it doesn't work in the NHL. The other thing to consider is Michkov yelled at Torts on the bench instead of taking the coaching and acknowledging his mistakes, that is also not good. There is so much a coach can do talking to a player and continually pointing out the same mistakes, before more direct action has to be taken.

This has to be the tank move, we know they can not find a center and they traded their only center with skill, no way you replace that down the stretch. Torts said a couple days ago, that they were going to look at some more of the kids, not just Ginning. Lets hope he was showing the hand, and DB sells all that need to be sold.

If DB goes out and gets an old C, that would be tragic.


Frost and Farabee hang out, I am sure Torts didn't like that, who knows, maybe that is why DB sent them together to a team, a tip of that hat for putting up with asswipe.
- wcorvette

They’re going to love playing for Huska, fair coach but not a pushover. Flames have a great dressing room that has a good blend of vets and youngsters. I think they’ll fit right in.

You guys will love Pelletier’s passion, great kid that’s just starting to find his role as a NHLer. He’ll be missed. Kuzmenko is going to love Torts, shouldn’t take too long to piss off the coach.

Considering the kid had trouble sticking in the NHL and was not impressive in the AHL I am not that hopeful. They could have had him for free when the Flames put him through waivers. The only benefit is that you no longer have Bees cap hit and term.
- Flyfly

I think that's what boggles my mind about the whole trade. I get Kuzmenko being a cap dump and having him match Farabee's salary. But Pelletier?

Yes, the Flyers are selling low, because they don't believe Frost and Farabee are ever going to be higher again. It's analogous to owning a stock. You buy a promising stock and you see it shoot up and you are happy. Then as the stock matures it starts to fall, and fall and fall. At some point you have to decide to cut your losses and dump the stock. That is exactly what Briere did. Frost and Farabee had all the opportunity in the world to show what they can do, and neither were able to perform enough to increase their value, so Briere cut his losses and dumped them. You know, at just about every NHL game there are multitudes of very smart NHL scouts that are scouting these players. They don't look at stats, they watch the games and watch the players. They watched what Frost and Farabee were as players with the Flyers, and correctly concluded both players were nothing special.
- jd250

Then Danny your idol missed the mark by holding onto them this long.

Bottom line is he didn't do a good enough job with both players in terms of when to trade them. It is not about trading either one as no issue there. All about the poor return. They got nothing to hep this "rebuild".

This isn't a rebuilding move nor a move to make the playoffs.

Can also tie it back to the PP to some extent. Had they had a better one both likely have a few more points to increase the value.

but only briefly! They now have 7 mill more to sign the next ND to a 4 year contract with NTC or extend Laughton.
- Flyers_01

I truly fear what they are going to do with this cap space. Because that is definitely the number one part of this trade.

This is the main issue. There is no give and take. His or no way. His has proven to be the wrong way.
- furio16

Honestly, it punished the team just as much as Michkov. 3 games in 4 nights. Second of a back to back. Already down one forward. Down two goals. Sure let's sit one of the few players that can actually generate offense.

He did not need to sit the third period. Message was received in the second.

They’re going to love playing for Huska, fair coach but not a pushover. Flames have a great dressing room that has a good blend of vets and youngsters. I think they’ll fit right in.

You guys will love Pelletier’s passion, great kid that’s just starting to find his role as a NHLer. He’ll be missed. Kuzmenko is going to love Torts, shouldn’t take too long to piss off the coach.
- K-man25

Just what they need another passionate player. Short on talent and production.

Honestly, it punished the team just as much as Michkov. 3 games in 4 nights. Second of a back to back. Already down one forward. Down two goals. Sure let's sit one of the few players that can actually generate offense.

He did not need to sit the third period. Message was received in the second.
- mickel25

In a way hope MM continues to "lack" defensively. Hope torts keep benching him.

Then lest see what Danny the putz decides to do.

This is the main issue. There is no give and take. His or no way. His has proven to be the wrong way.
- furio16

But don't forget, the Flyers have totally committed to Tortorella as their lord and savior. The most recognizable and marketted Flyer is not Konecny or Michkov, it's Torts.

If a player improves, Torts is a genius. If a player doesn't improve, Torts did all that was humanly possible but couldn't overcome the player's limitations.

If the Flyers miss the playoffs for the 5th year in a row it will be despite his superhuman efforts and heroic cutting edge coaching. Torts deserves a better fate than these sad sack players that he has no say over that he's been forced to coach

I think that's what boggles my mind about the whole trade. I get Kuzmenko being a cap dump and having him match Farabee's salary. But Pelletier?
- TobyFlenderson

The main piece of the deal is the cap dump getting out from under Farabee's contract. Pelletier is a lottery ticket. The return is not great, but there has to be more trades to remove roster players before the trade deadline. If this is the main move before the deadline, then this is awful. Briere can position himself well within in the top 7 of this draft if he continues to trade roster players. I hope he does.