but only briefly! They now have 7 mill more to sign the next ND to a 4 year contract with NTC or extend Laughton.
- Flyers_01

They need to sign York first

The main piece of the deal is the cap dump getting out from under Farabee's contract. Pelletier is a lottery ticket. The return is not great, but there has to be more trades to remove roster players before the trade deadline. If this is the main move before the deadline, then this is awful. Briere can position himself well within in the top 7 of this draft if he continues to trade roster players. I hope he does.
- Trox88

I agree if this is the only deal then Briere has failed. Laughton and Risto need to be traded.

I would also look into Sanheim's value as well. Tear it down DB.

Honestly, it punished the team just as much as Michkov. 3 games in 4 nights. Second of a back to back. Already down one forward. Down two goals. Sure let's sit one of the few players that can actually generate offense.

He did not need to sit the third period. Message was received in the second.
- mickel25

I agree, especially with Frost out and Tippet on the shelf. I would have benched MM in the 2nd, had it out with him in the intermission, and told him he had one period of play to show me why I shouldn't sit him the next few games.

But don't forget, the Flyers have totally committed to Tortorella as their lord and savior. The most recognizable and marketted Flyer is not Konecny or Michkov, it's Torts.

If a player improves, Torts is a genius. If a player doesn't improve, Torts did all that was humanly possible but couldn't overcome the player's limitations.

If the Flyers miss the playoffs for the 5th year in a row it will be despite his superhuman efforts and heroic cutting edge coaching. Torts deserves a better fate than these sad sack players that he has no say over that he's been forced to coach
- Flyers_01

Torts has said he will not go into the last year of his contract and coach like he did with Columbus.

Something has to give there. As yes, he is the face of the franchise. Let that sink in. I give him credit as he has them all wrapped around his finger. Job well done on is end.

Seriously? Do you honestly think this trade was about anything more than moving on from Frost and Farabee? Neither player had any real value. Farabee is a nice middling winger with OK skill, that's it! Frost will never be anything more than all fluff and no stuff. It was time to move on from both of them because they are what they are, and the Flyers can do a heck of a lot better. Kuzmenko will be playing in Russia next year, he was a throw in to match salary. Pelletier is an underachiever like Frost, maybe the change of scenery helps, maybe it doesn't. Who cares? The Flyers got another 2nd round pick and will free up more cap space, which gives them huge flexibility this off season. That is what rebuilding teams do.
- jd250

According to Friedman Briere and Jonsey spoke to Kuzmenko earlier yesterday and convinced him that it would be worth it for him to waive his no trade to come to the Flyers. That doesn’t sound like they’re planning to just dump him at the end of the year.

The main piece of the deal is the cap dump getting out from under Farabee's contract. Pelletier is a lottery ticket. The return is not great, but there has to be more trades to remove roster players before the trade deadline. If this is the main move before the deadline, then this is awful. Briere can position himself well within in the top 7 of this draft if he continues to trade roster players. I hope he does.
- Trox88

Completely agree.

[quote=mickel25]Honestly, it punished the team just as much as Michkov. 3 games in 4 nights. Second of a back to back. Already down one forward. Down two goals. Sure let's sit one of the few players that can actually generate offense.

He did not need to sit the third period. Message was received in the second.

Facts

I agree if this is the only deal that Briere has failed. Laughton and Risto need to be traded.

I would also look into Sanheim's value as well. Tear it down DB.
- mickel25

I luv how people think Danny can call up a team and say take my player and give me what I want.

What would send with Risto to another team, how much salary are you willing to eat?

What value does Laughton have, what do you expect to get back? Or are you getting rid of him just for the sake of getting rid of him?

According to Friedman Briere and Jonsey spoke to Kuzmenko earlier yesterday and convinced him that it would be worth it for him to waive his no trade to come to the Flyers. That doesn’t sound like they’re planning to just dump him at the end of the year.
- Dkos

There was a time the Flyers were never on any players no trade list.

I agree if this is the only deal then Briere has failed. Laughton and Risto need to be traded.

I would also look into Sanheim's value as well. Tear it down DB.
- mickel25

Sanheim has a NTC, not opposed to moving him. I think maybe 5 or 6 players at most will be on the roster when the Flyers are truly Cup contenders again. Plenty of moves that need to be made. It is just the reality, the talent is not good enough.

This is either a step in the right direction finally for Briere. Or an absolute train wreck holding onto too many pieces on a roster that is not good enough.

I luv how people think Danny can call up a team and say take my player and give me what I want.

What would send with Risto to another team, how much salary are you willing to eat?

What value does Laughton have, what do you expect to get back? Or are you getting rid of him just for the sake of getting rid of him?
- WhiskeyMan

He just proved he is willing to complete a trade with an underwhelming return. I think a Risto trade would look similar to the Farabee portion of this deal. Flyers trade Risto and take back a salary with equal AAV and a pick. Or the Flyers eat 50% and get a pick. We will not be wowed by the return for sure.

Laughton could be traded right now for a second if they wanted to trade him.

He just proved he is willing to complete a trade with an underwhelming return. I think a Risto trade would look similar to the Farabee portion of this deal. Flyers trade Risto and take back a salary with equal AAV and a pick. Or the Flyers eat 50% and get a pick. We will not be wowed by the return for sure.

Laughton could be traded right now for a second if they wanted to trade him.
- mickel25

I am very, very curious what Briere does with York. Still don't believe York, Andrae, and Drysdale will all be here long term.

He just proved he is willing to complete a trade with an underwhelming return. I think a Risto trade would look similar to the Farabee portion of this deal. Flyers trade Risto and take back a salary with equal AAV and a pick. Or the Flyers eat 50% and get a pick. We will not be wowed by the return for sure.

Laughton could be traded right now for a second if they wanted to trade him.
- mickel25

Trading quarters for dimes.

What will be funny is if Kozie produces and then gets a 3/4 year ext.

He just proved he is willing to complete a trade with an underwhelming return. I think a Risto trade would look similar to the Farabee portion of this deal. Flyers trade Risto and take back a salary with equal AAV and a pick. Or the Flyers eat 50% and get a pick. We will not be wowed by the return for sure.

Laughton could be traded right now for a second if they wanted to trade him.
- mickel25

I feel like they have to hold onto Laughton because he’s the de facto captain of the team since the coach has turned Couturier into a ghost.

What value is there for a 3rd line center who waits until second half to show up?
Farabee is a 3rd line wing, what was his value?
- WhiskeyMan

Apparently nothing…..because that’s what they got.

There was a time the Flyers were never on any players no trade list.
- furio16

Not really my point. My point is that it doesn’t sound like the Flyers are planning to just dump Kuzmenko.

I am very, very curious what Briere does with York. Still don't believe York, Andrae, and Drysdale will all be here long term.
- Trox88

It would make sense to trade him. Wouldn't have to pay him and he could fetch a nice return. You also have Andrae to replace him internally.

York for a young center makes sense.

Not really my point. My point is that it doesn’t sound like the Flyers are planning to just dump Kuzmenko.
- Dkos

Did I say it was your point? Don't recall I did.

He just proved he is willing to complete a trade with an underwhelming return. I think a Risto trade would look similar to the Farabee portion of this deal. Flyers trade Risto and take back a salary with equal AAV and a pick. Or the Flyers eat 50% and get a pick. We will not be wowed by the return for sure.

Laughton could be traded right now for a second if they wanted to trade him.
- mickel25

Laughton can get you maybe a 3rd or 4th.

How mush is a 3rd line center(Frost) and a 3rd line winger(Farabee) worth?

Did I say it was your point? Don't recall I did.
- furio16

My point was not to insult you

Seriously? Do you honestly think this trade was about anything more than moving on from Frost and Farabee? Neither player had any real value. Farabee is a nice middling winger with OK skill, that's it! Frost will never be anything more than all fluff and no stuff. It was time to move on from both of them because they are what they are, and the Flyers can do a heck of a lot better. Kuzmenko will be playing in Russia next year, he was a throw in to match salary. Pelletier is an underachiever like Frost, maybe the change of scenery helps, maybe it doesn't. Who cares? The Flyers got another 2nd round pick and will free up more cap space, which gives them huge flexibility this off season. That is what rebuilding teams do.
- jd250

Ya seriously…..Farabee had 50 points last year. Frost for all his faults was the most talented center in the organization….but your boy Torts never seemed to get that out of him….both guy are top nine players….18-25 goals…and we basically got a 2nd rnd pick…did both fit in Philly….no….but the return is still Fletcher like, no matter how you want to spin it.

Yes, the Flyers are selling low, because they don't believe Frost and Farabee are ever going to be higher again. It's analogous to owning a stock. You buy a promising stock and you see it shoot up and you are happy. Then as the stock matures it starts to fall, and fall and fall. At some point you have to decide to cut your losses and dump the stock. That is exactly what Briere did. Frost and Farabee had all the opportunity in the world to show what they can do, and neither were able to perform enough to increase their value, so Briere cut his losses and dumped them. You know, at just about every NHL game there are multitudes of very smart NHL scouts that are scouting these players. They don't look at stats, they watch the games and watch the players. They watched what Frost and Farabee were as players with the Flyers, and correctly concluded both players were nothing special.
- jd250

Scouts from the Flames disagree. They are selling low, and that is mainly on the players but your mancrush deserves some credit too, his style naturally creates a narrative about players that don't play his way, that narrative decreases their value. All for trading Frost, I did not like how he wilted in the Devils game and he needs a new start, but pooparella needs to stop with the old guard tactics.

Acquired a cap dump, a player who was waived, and a 2nd for younger winger off a career high last season( struggling this season) and a 40 point inconsistent center. I have zero issue moving on from these 2. The return though is to me though is poor.

This also isn’t a rebuilding move. This was a trade just to get 2 guys out the coach didn’t want. Did The Flyers trade the 2 best players in this deal?

Flyers love to sell low instead of high. See Laughton and RP.

Frost and Joel were not in the Hilferty letter. Just saying.

Who is Joels agent?
- furio16

Not sure how you can say it isnt a rebuild move. Yes they dumped two players they didnt feel were part of the future and yes it wasn t a good trade but at the end of they day Pelletier is 23 years old. Younger than both Frost and Farabee and they got more draft capital.

They should be flipping Kuz. I dont want to keep him. I dont care that he is Russian and might be good for Michkov. Guy needs to learn English, lets stop focusing on adding players just cuz they are Russian

Wasn't Joel and Hayes buddies as well?
- furio16

Ya this trade has Kevin Hayes written all over it.

Laughton can get you maybe a 3rd or 4th.

How mush is a 3rd line center(Frost) and a 3rd line winger(Farabee) worth?
- WhiskeyMan

A playoff team would offer a 2. Or maybe a 3rd that becomes a 2nd when a specific goal is achieved.

Laughton's salary isn't a ton. Flyers could even retain 50% to enhance the pick coming back. I think a 2nd rounder is a realistic return for Laughton.

I also think this discussion is moot. I will be stunned if the Flyers trade Laughton this season.