Laughton can get you maybe a 3rd or 4th.

How mush is a 3rd line center(Frost) and a 3rd line winger(Farabee) worth?
- WhiskeyMan

The way Briere handles assets are we adding a 3rd or a 4th or getting one back?

losing and losing Tip was a blessing, took all hope of a Torts playoff run off the table.

Laughton can get you maybe a 3rd or 4th.

How mush is a 3rd line center(Frost) and a 3rd line winger(Farabee) worth?
- WhiskeyMan

Laughton can get more. He has term which teams will like. Players like him have gotten late 1sts from contenders. It of course depends on how many teams are looking for 3rd line upgrades and whats available. There are some better Cs available still so I dont think we will see anything until guys like Nelson or Gourde are moved.

He just proved he is willing to complete a trade with an underwhelming return. I think a Risto trade would look similar to the Farabee portion of this deal. Flyers trade Risto and take back a salary with equal AAV and a pick. Or the Flyers eat 50% and get a pick. We will not be wowed by the return for sure.

Laughton could be traded right now for a second if they wanted to trade him.
- mickel25

Briere continues to underwhelm. We heard the last few years that the “25” draft was supposed to be extremely deep…..now those views are changing.. yes there are some good prospects into the 2nd rnd, but for a team that has banked a ton on this draft, it’s looking like they may have been wrong about that as well.

A playoff team would offer a 2. Or maybe a 3rd that becomes a 2nd when a specific goal is achieved.

Laughton's salary isn't a ton. Flyers could even retain 50% to enhance the pick coming back. I think a 2nd rounder is a realistic return for Laughton.

I also think this discussion is moot. I will be stunned if the Flyers trade Laughton this season.
- mickel25

If the Flyers can only get a 2nd for Laughton I can see them moving on from him.

Not sure how you can say it isnt a rebuild move. Yes they dumped two players they didnt feel were part of the future and yes it wasn t a good trade but at the end of they day Pelletier is 23 years old. Younger than both Frost and Farabee and they got more draft capital.

They should be flipping Kuz. I dont want to keep him. I dont care that he is Russian and might be good for Michkov. Guy needs to learn English, lets stop focusing on adding players just cuz they are Russian
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Very easily.

Why didn't the astute GM claim Pelletier when he was waived 6 weeks? What changed that all of a sudden, he wanted him? Once again Flyers losing at the margins.

The way Briere handles assets are we adding a 3rd or a 4th or getting one back?
- landros 2

The Room™ and a 2nd for a 3rd and a 5th

Briere continues to underwhelm. We heard the last few years that the “25” draft was supposed to be extremely deep…..now those views are changing.. yes there are some good prospects into the 2nd rnd, but for a team that has banked a ton on this draft, it’s looking like they may have been wrong about that as well.
- landros 2

6 p!ck$ Derp!!!

A playoff team would offer a 2. Or maybe a 3rd that becomes a 2nd when a specific goal is achieved.

Laughton's salary isn't a ton. Flyers could even retain 50% to enhance the pick coming back. I think a 2nd rounder is a realistic return for Laughton.

I also think this discussion is moot. I will be stunned if the Flyers trade Laughton this season.
- mickel25

Laughton and Risto to Edmonton (50% retention on both) for as package around Savoie.

It is funny how the trade just drowned out the absolute sh!t show between Torts and Michkov. The HC willingly goes down to 10 forwards on a back to back with supposedly an important game for possible playoff positioning. Much like Frost, I will be relieved when Torts is gone.

It is funny how the trade just drowned out the absolute sh!t show between Torts and Michkov. The HC willingly goes down to 10 forwards on a back to back with supposedly an important game for possible playoff positioning. Much like Frost, I will be relieved when Torts is gone.
- Trox88

https://russianmachinenev...ortorella-benched-flyers/

Yes, embarrassing.

Very easily.

Why didn't the astute GM claim Pelletier when he was waived 6 weeks? What changed that all of a sudden, he wanted him? Once again Flyers losing at the margins.
- furio16

I cant answer that. Maybe something changed with the players we moved. The goal was clearly that Farabee and Frost didnt fit with the team. No one is saying Pelletier is the main draw here. Im saing the picks were which IMO is not good enough for a return

most all coaches have a shelf life, when you are as demanding and demeaning as Torts, the life is probably shorter.

most all coaches have a shelf life, when you are as demanding and demeaning as Torts, the life is probably shorter.
- wcorvette

Torts shelf life is generally 4-5 years. Hes been places longer. I think his time is probably done as coach. I dont see him coachiong past next season. Dont know if they will part ways at the end of the season.

I cant answer that. Maybe something changed with the players we moved. The goal was clearly that Farabee and Frost didnt fit with the team. No one is saying Pelletier is the main draw here. Im saing the picks were which IMO is not good enough for a return
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Like I said no issue trading either one. The issue is the return and the Flyers missing the boat on selling high yet again.

https://russianmachinenev...ortorella-benched-flyers/

Yes, embarrassing.
- Flyers_01

The Torts schtick has run its course. This is not a great look for the organization no matter what the broadcast says.

They need to sign York first
- WhiskeyMan

I honestly think York will be traded in the off season.

Will we hear any corporate spin about how those 2 players were locker-room "issues"? Not good for the culture?

When does Briere talk anyone know?

The Torts schtick has run its course. This is not a great look for the organization no matter what the broadcast says.
- Trox88

“We’re trying to teach him how things are done here, the things of understanding conduct of a pro, all the things you do to play. I’m not going to get involved in the situation on the bench tonight. I’m not going to give you specifics.

Ya seriously…..Farabee had 50 points last year. Frost for all his faults was the most talented center in the organization….but your boy Torts never seemed to get that out of him….both guy are top nine players….18-25 goals…and we basically got a 2nd rnd pick…did both fit in Philly….no….but the return is still Fletcher like, no matter how you want to spin it.
- landros 2

Farabee has scored 13 goals in 28 points in the last 81 games! He is nothing more than a middling bottom 6 winger. You can trip over players like Farabee in this league. Frost is all fluff and no stuff, I have been saying it for years. He shows up for two games and then you don't see him for a month. And being the "most talented" center in this organization is not a high bar. But with Cout's decline, who is the best center in the organization now? Its not Frost! Not by a long shot. It's Noah Cates. So let that sink in. Frost is not even better than Noah Cates! I am not spinning anything. These are facts! The only return the Flyers got that they will benefit from is the 2nd round pick. Kuz is gone after this season, and Pelletier is probably a good AHL player that can be a call up. The Flyers moved on from two players that were not part of the future here, and in the process saved themselves 2 more years of paying $5M for a player that gave them 28 points in the past 81 games!

There are basics to playing in the NHL. Michkov does not have to be a shutdown defensive player, but he ought to be hungry for the puck in all three zones and responsible defensively. He's not. Sorry, that's the truth. He would rather float out at center ice or drift to the weak side of the offensive zone and wait for someone to pass him the puck. That may work in pond hockey, and even the KHL, but it doesn't work in the NHL. The other thing to consider is Michkov yelled at Torts on the bench instead of taking the coaching and acknowledging his mistakes, that is also not good. There is so much a coach can do talking to a player and continually pointing out the same mistakes, before more direct action has to be taken.
- jd250

Does Michkov float? He does sometimes.

You know what might help getting him to play in all 3 zones? Maybe playing him in a game where they are winning in the 3rd and not sitting him.

The problem is this coach is tying to make this player something he is not. He is a 20 year old. Was Crosby great in his own zone as a 20 year old? Nope. He floated. But now he is pretty good.

NOT EVERY PLAYER CAN BE DEVELOPED THE SAME WAY.

The coach only has his way. And he should be gone.

Does Michkov float? He does sometimes.

You know what might help getting him to play in all 3 zones? Maybe playing him in a game where they are winning in the 3rd and not sitting him.

The problem is this coach is tying to make this player something he is not. He is a 20 year old. Was Crosby great in his own zone as a 20 year old? Nope. He floated. But now he is pretty good.

NOT EVERY PLAYER CAN BE DEVELOPED THE SAME WAY.

The coach only has his way. And he should be gone.
- J35Bacher

I agree that by Torts coaching to win games and make the playoffs, he is missing opportunties to help Michkov develop defensively. Just last night as I watched the game I asked the question, why not put Michkov out there to kill penalties? Farabee killed penalties early in his career. TK lately has killed penalties. Why not MM? He could be an offensive threat out there like Laughts and TK are, and he can learn defensive play at the same time.

“We’re trying to teach him how things are done here, the things of understanding conduct of a pro, all the things you do to play. I’m not going to get involved in the situation on the bench tonight. I’m not going to give you specifics.
- furio16

Sounds like the spin of a HC who was once successful, but like all coaches the game has moved past his views. The original plan was for Michkov to miss the Torts era behind the bench. It changed when Michkov came over early.

Sounds like the spin of a HC who was once successful, but like all coaches the game has moved past his views. The original plan was for Michkov to miss the Torts era behind the bench. It changed when Michkov came over early.
- Trox88

What direction they take with the head coach will be telling in the next few months.

I agree that by Torts coaching to win games and make the playoffs, he is missing opportunties to help Michkov develop defensively. Just last night as I watched the game I asked the question, why not put Michkov out there to kill penalties? Farabee killed penalties early in his career. TK lately has killed penalties. Why not MM? He could be an offensive threat out there like Laughts and TK are, and he can learn defensive play at the same time.
- jd250

He couldn't put him out there. Torts needed to be the big man and show everyone who is boss.

He wants to hold Michkov accountable but his own PP coach, for how long, has a terrible PP and has never been held accountable.

The Coach has made it he is the face of the franchise.