I see, you only eat some of what he says to support your false narratives. Got it.
- jd250

Keep slurping. It is what you are good at.

You are spinning which is ok. People know your shtick. Point is the two best players in the deal are Frost and Farabee. Yes facts matter. Farabee had 50 points last year season….struggled a bit this year but probably would still have finished with 15-17 goals and close to 40 points despite Torts usage of the player. Morgan Frost is a 45 point type center….never was going to be a top line guy but 17-19 goals a year…again those are the facts….not the OPINIONS you have. In the end it’s a salary dump where Briere continues to produce underwhelming results as a GM. Again those are the facts…they just aren’t your OPINIONS….which again is ok.

- landros 2

So according to your facts Farabee might have got 40 points and Frost is a 45 point center, and as you rightly pointed out, they were the best two players in the deal.

Let me pause to laugh hysterically for a moment

Ok, So you’re saying that Briere doesn’t know what he’s doing because he dumped these players? I think you need to rethink this. What value did you think these two 40 point players by your own admission had? Yes it was partially a salary dump plus an opportunity to open up some roster spots. That is what a rebuilding team of supposed to do, right?

The ONE season he produced he had a shooting percentage over 27% which is just not sustainable and he was playing w EP. I am sure his 4 goals will really help this anemic offense.
- Flyfly

well a poster who knows which players have "goods" has told us that frost sucks and farabee is a bottom six winger so a russian with 13 games of experience playing with the benched MM is sure to jolt them into an offensive stratosphere not seen since the 80s Oiler dynasty

So according to your facts Farabee might have got 40 points and Frost is a 45 point center, and as you rightly pointed out, they were the best two players in the deal.

Let me pause to laugh hysterically for a moment

Ok, So you’re saying that Briere doesn’t know what he’s doing because he dumped these players? I think you need to rethink this. What value did you think these two 40 point players by your own admission had? Yes it was partially a salary dump plus an opportunity to open up some roster spots. That is what a rebuilding team of supposed to do, right?
- jd250

How so? 2 guys out. 2 guys in. What was opened?

I think most of us just want the Flyers to come out on top of a trade every once in a while.
- Dkos

It’s chess moves, not always block buster trades, that build a real team

So according to your facts Farabee might have got 40 points and Frost is a 45 point center, and as you rightly pointed out, they were the best two players in the deal.

Let me pause to laugh hysterically for a moment

Ok, So you’re saying that Briere doesn’t know what he’s doing because he dumped these players? I think you need to rethink this. What value did you think these two 40 point players by your own admission had? Yes it was partially a salary dump plus an opportunity to open up some roster spots. That is what a rebuilding team of supposed to do, right?
- jd250

what roster spots were opened up? 2 out 2 in?

It’s chess moves, not always block buster trades, that build a real team
- jd250

torts has told us numerous times that he loves the room (and The Room™) - that is how you can tell a team is successful. Its not the wins and the losses -- it is the culture!

I consider all of them to be torts related -- it is always my way or the highway with him -- he is doing the same thing with MM - he is going to eventually get so fed up with the d lapses that he ruins the kids confidence in his offensive abilities
- corduroy

Thats how NHL coaches work. It is their way or the high way. Brindamour had Necas on the 4th line. Many coaches have played Laine on the 4th line. Coaches typically always punish players that dont play the right way. Sprong is another example.

Coaches aim to vut bad habits out of players. Coaches who fail to do so end up with players like Yakapov. Zherdev and Kostitsyn bros. These guys all busted out of the NHL because of their defensive play. At the end of the day there has to be a certain level of defensive competence. You cannot be a liability on defense. You are not going to be able to consistantly win games if you constantly trade chances with your opponent. We dont need Michkov to be a Selke candidate. Just competent.

Torts is what he is. Many players who played for him liked it. He is harsh but they became better players for it. He isnt perfect and yes he does dumb things

So according to your facts Farabee might have got 40 points and Frost is a 45 point center, and as you rightly pointed out, they were the best two players in the deal.

Let me pause to laugh hysterically for a moment

Ok, So you’re saying that Briere doesn’t know what he’s doing because he dumped these players? I think you need to rethink this. What value did you think these two 40 point players by your own admission had? Yes it was partially a salary dump plus an opportunity to open up some roster spots. That is what a rebuilding team of supposed to do, right?
- jd250

I didn’t say he doesn’t know what he doing….I’m saying I don’t think he’s proving to be very good at his job.

You laughing at that is like me laughing about your Jay O’brien predictions…if they are actually going to rebuild then let’s hope he has enough vision to actually move out some valuable pieces, for more then Pennie’s on the dollar.

It’s chess moves, not always block buster trades, that build a real team
- jd250

When you sacrifice your Bishop’s for pawns constantly, chances of winning aren’t looking very probable.

You cannot be a liability on defense.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I don't think you realize just how little defense most top offensive guys like Kucherov, Rantanen, MacKinnon, McJesus, Drai, OV and others play. And TK as well.

There're all near the bottom of the league in defensive impact.

Free your offensive guys to take chances and make plays. Their production should easily offset any defensive shortcomings.

Torts lets TK do whatever the hell he wants, so we know it's actually possible.

FWIW

https://www.breitbart.com...ars-of-salary-cap-boosts/

Another way to look at the trade

https://youtu.be/FQ3tAUWryrQ?si=KqDlyGoQZbfYLAKu

Another way to look at the trade

https://youtu.be/FQ3tAUWryrQ?si=KqDlyGoQZbfYLAKu
- WhiskeyMan

recap pls -- cant watch videos with a room full of 7th graders

How so? 2 guys out. 2 guys in. What was opened?
- furio16

For now, but there will be a lot more changes before next season. Some at the deadline, a lot in the off season. Kuz I suspect will be back in Russia and Pelletier might not be here either. This was IMO purely a dump of two players the Flyers concluded were not part of the solution here.

When you sacrifice your Bishop’s for pawns constantly, chances of winning aren’t looking very probable.
- landros 2

Bishops?? Who is a bishop here? Pawns, sure, that is all Farabee and Frost are, or were. Easily replaceable.

I didn’t say he doesn’t know what he doing….I’m saying I don’t think he’s proving to be very good at his job.

You laughing at that is like me laughing about your Jay O’brien predictions…if they are actually going to rebuild then let’s hope he has enough vision to actually move out some valuable pieces, for more then Pennie’s on the dollar.
- landros 2

JOB would have been something if he didn't get hurt ... but anyways .. it didn't work out. I think I was biased by him being a local kid maybe too much.

The difference here is I am willing to give Briere a chance and see his plan through before I judge him. People on this forum (not neccessarily you) have already labeled him incompetent and a Torts puppet, which is completely unfair. Clearly this trade to move on from Frost and Farabee is part of a larger plan. I seriously doubt Briere was looking around for another 2nd round pick. Bundy has been saying for a while now that the Flyers absolutely love Hagens. He is projected to be the 3rd player off the board in this draft currently. With a few more moves, the Flyers can easily be in the top 5 of this draft and then have the assets to move up to get Hagens. That is what I am thinking Briere is trying to do.

FWIW

https://www.breitbart.com...ars-of-salary-cap-boosts/
- corduroy

You know what this means? Much higher ticket prices! The NHL is a gate revenue league, if the cap goes up, so do the ticket prices which are already much too high.

recap pls -- cant watch videos with a room full of 7th graders
- corduroy

Flames did a heck of a job to improve now
Flyers did well to improve later

Flames did a heck of a job to improve now
Flyers did well to improve later
- WhiskeyMan

ty

recap pls -- cant watch videos with a room full of 7th graders
- corduroy

Afraid they might try to escape if you leave them unattended in the basement for a few minutes?

Afraid they might try to escape if you leave them unattended in the basement for a few minutes?
- Dkos

naw -- teaching them how to code takes time

Flames did a heck of a job to improve now
Flyers did well to improve later
- WhiskeyMan

How did the Flyers do well to improve later?

The Athletic put out their grades on the trade:

Sean Gentille:
Flames grade: C+
Flyers grade: D+

Harman Dayal:
Flames grade: B+
Flyers grade: C

The funniest line from the article: "and he seems like he was built in a lab to bother Tortorella."

How did the Flyers do well to improve later?
- furio16

They did free up cap money which is one benefit. Frost was not going to be resigned and Bee has 3 years left on his deal. Now, how they plan to spend it is a whole different topic.