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Forums :: Blog World :: Eklund: Ek/Flyers: A tale of Two Travi: Konecny in,Sanheim…kind of getting screwed
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corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Today @ 12:46 PM ET
when does the rebuild actually start?
- WhiskeyMan


This draft with the vaunted 7 picks!
Striiker
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.09.2020

Today @ 12:55 PM ET
The GM has said recently they are out of the rebuilding phase and into the building phase.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Today @ 12:59 PM ET
The GM has said recently they are out of the rebuilding phase and into the building phase.
- Striiker


The entire "rebuild" is such a farce. It was waiting to get out of cap hell and then spending their way to contention.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Today @ 1:17 PM ET
The entire "rebuild" is such a farce. It was waiting to out of cap hell and then spending their way to contention.
- Flyfly



Where they will shorten their window considerably (if it opens at all) by being right back in cap hell with long term, badly aging contracts. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Today @ 1:25 PM ET
Where they will shorten their window considerably (if it opens at all) by being right back in cap hell with long term, badly aging contracts. Wash, rinse, repeat.
- MBFlyerfan


Exactly... perpetual mediocrity. I would love to be wrong but we have watched this over and over for the past decade +
26912 PP
Season Ticket Holder
Location: Lucca
Joined: 06.27.2024

Today @ 2:05 PM ET
The entire "rebuild" is such a farce. It was waiting to get out of cap hell and then spending their way to contention.
- Flyfly
Maybe time for you to move on? You are not being forced to remain a "fan." At least I don't think you are. Who knows. Either way, maybe it's time go buy season tickets to another team you think operates properly. Not being sarcastic. Just stating the obvious.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Today @ 2:25 PM ET
Maybe time for you to move on? You are not being forced to remain a "fan." At least I don't think you are. Who knows. Either way, maybe it's time go buy season tickets to another team you think operates properly. Not being sarcastic. Just stating the obvious.
- 26912 PP


Come on man. I know you were not responding to me with what I quoted but I felt compelled to respond.

I have been a Flyers fan for over 4 decades. I, like many other folks on here, have earned the right to voice my disapproval with how this team operates. Especially when those operations clearly diminish your chances of winning.

Being a true fan is miserable sometimes. The last decade is one of those times.

If you are fine with how they do things that is your prerogative. I am frankly tired of it.


mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Today @ 2:35 PM ET
The Spencer Carbery hire and success in Washington should be the model. Younger innovative coaches over the same retreads everyone hires.
- Minnyhock


Great example!
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Today @ 2:36 PM ET
Maybe time for you to move on? You are not being forced to remain a "fan." At least I don't think you are. Who knows. Either way, maybe it's time go buy season tickets to another team you think operates properly. Not being sarcastic. Just stating the obvious.
- 26912 PP


Maybe time for you to not recommend what another person does? - Total douchebag comment. I have been a fan for my entire life going back to the early 80s. I am a fan and always will be - being a fan does not automatically mean you fall for everything the organization says and does. Moronic post...
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Today @ 2:45 PM ET
Maybe time for you to move on? You are not being forced to remain a "fan." At least I don't think you are. Who knows. Either way, maybe it's time go buy season tickets to another team you think operates properly. Not being sarcastic. Just stating the obvious.
- 26912 PP


That’s a bit harsh. We’ve all for various periods of time invested plenty of time, support and money in this team and being fans. We’ve rejoiced when the Flyers came back against Boston and screamed when that horrible goal was let in to Kane. Some of us remember the 35 game unbeaten streak, the Soviet Red Army game, and the Stanley Cups. We’ve stayed up til 2:30 am to see Primeau score in OT, and we’ve watched as the team struggled. Unfortunately things drastically changed in 2005 when the NHL instituted the salary cap. Since then, with the exception of a couple magical runs, this team has seemingly mismanaged its cap, invested in bad contracts, and developed draft picks poorly.

Yet we all have remained. I think everyone hear has earned the right to complain, especially when nothing has really changed in the last several years, despite all the talk.

It’s part of being a fan. As ABC Wide World of Sports used to say “it’s the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat”. We are currently going through a prolonged period of that very same agony.

Lets go Flyers (in the old cadence, not that stupid rangers cadence that the fans adopted some 20 years ago)
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Today @ 3:49 PM ET
Maybe time for you to move on? You are not being forced to remain a "fan." At least I don't think you are. Who knows. Either way, maybe it's time go buy season tickets to another team you think operates properly. Not being sarcastic. Just stating the obvious.
- 26912 PP


He never stated he didn't want to be a fan of the team, he just wants the team to do the right things and build the right way.The team has been a nightmare for almost 20 years, next to the flukey 2010 run. The last time I felt confident the Flyers would win, Lindros and Leclair were still here.

Being frustrated watching the team making the same mistakes that haven't worked for 40 years is a normal response. If the team was building properly, he wouldn't be critizing the organization
BluehorseShoe64
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2018

Today @ 4:15 PM ET
Back to the original topic...Konecny being put on the 4th line kind of reminds me of what the coach of the JR team did with Luschanko. My first take would be to agree with the profile of the players coming from the Flyers (good offensively due to being good defensively, but not superstar pedigree)
But then I think that Luschanko had the only goal against the Latvian goalie, but didn't get a chance in the shootout that went 8 levels deep. Then they cry they lost. Coaching is not just about assigning playing time or opportunities by stats. It is also feel - who has the hot hand? Who has been the most effective? Or more effective for a given aspect of the game etc.
Type casting is not the trademark of a great coach. I think Konecny, given the chance could possibly do more than what they're expecting (pk, "energy player" etc.), if he gets a chance. How would they know? He's never had the chance to play with elite players. I'm willing to bet his game would benefit, and so would theirs and hence the team. If I was a coach looking for an X factor, this could be it. But given the star power on the Canada team, feel like they don't need it. That was the mistake of the JR coach. Thought they had it in the "bag".
Eklund
Commissioner
Joined: 09.15.2005

Today @ 4:19 PM ET
So what you are saying is Reinhart, Crosby, and MacKinnon can go into the corner and get the puck. But the other top 6 members - McDavid, Marner, and Stone aren't as good at that as Konecny. So therefore, Konecny should move up to replace one of them?

So move Marner down to the 4th line then? Or Mark Stone? Is that the idea?

Here is another take. Jon Cooper knows what he is doing. He didn't pick names out of a hat. McDavid knows Reinhart and is comfortable playing with him. Marner is the most skilled winger on the roster and can match his speed. Meanwhile, MacKinnon and Crosby train together all summer. Crosby has also played many times with Mark Stone who is a defensive specialist. They don't need Konecny on that line.

Cirelli and Hagel have the advantage of chemistry in a short tournament. Either Bennett or Konecny will rotate in on that line. You will probably see both guys in this tourney. That is all.

- HockeyBuzzed


Nice retort!

I like being challenged.

Actually, what I am saying is these are the best lines if you want to score off the rush, and no doubt Cooper’s thinking of chemistry with the fourth line….But Bennett and TK are just way more annoying than Cirelli and Hagel… and that’s what you want out of his fourth line….

Also, of course, I know all those other players can go into the corners. I’m just saying they don’t like to do that. That’s not what they do with their teams all the time and they have players on their lines in the NHL who will who will get the puck and get the puck to them….
Eklund
Commissioner
Joined: 09.15.2005

Today @ 4:23 PM ET
toeing the company line about international organizations misusing flyer players I see
- corduroy


What company line? The last Flyers writer here worked for the Flyers too…LOL. Of course I’m kidding. Bill Meltzer is the best flyers writer out there, and I wish he was still here…. Truth be sad. It’s hard to say that Jet was used properly in the world juniors….the guy scored the only goal against Latvia on a breakaway and somehow wasn’t one of the eight shooters in the shootout….. yeah maybe I am agreeing that the flyers players have been used poorly….no… to be honest if it was been Bennett or Konecny I would go Bennett… just based on his incredible ability to score in the playoffs and he is even more annoying than Travis… honestly, it should be Bennett over Marchand. Just look at the playoff points and record records of the Bruins and the Panthers in the last couple years.
Eklund
Commissioner
Joined: 09.15.2005

Today @ 4:26 PM ET
Back to the original topic...Konecny being put on the 4th line kind of reminds me of what the coach of the JR team did with Luschanko. My first take would be to agree with the profile of the players coming from the Flyers (good offensively due to being good defensively, but not superstar pedigree)
But then I think that Luschanko had the only goal against the Latvian goalie, but didn't get a chance in the shootout that went 8 levels deep. Then they cry they lost. Coaching is not just about assigning playing time or opportunities by stats. It is also feel - who has the hot hand? Who has been the most effective? Or more effective for a given aspect of the game etc.
Type casting is not the trademark of a great coach. I think Konecny, given the chance could possibly do more than what they're expecting (pk, "energy player" etc.), if he gets a chance. How would they know? He's never had the chance to play with elite players. I'm willing to bet his game would benefit, and so would theirs and hence the team. If I was a coach looking for an X factor, this could be it. But given the star power on the Canada team, feel like they don't need it. That was the mistake of the JR coach. Thought they had it in the "bag".

- BluehorseShoe64


Great post
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Today @ 4:37 PM ET
https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/new_rumor_links_brad_treliving_to_potential_revival_of_failed_maple_leafs_trade/s1_17430_41738822

Interesting thought. Laughton AND Risto to Toronto? Wonder what that would look like if it ever happened.

- mikeyo27


According to Puckpedia, Leafs have a little under $3 million in cap space at the deadline. Not sure what the pro rated salaries for both Laughton and Risto will be at the deadline. I do believe the Fraser Minten rumors that he is available. Nikita Grebenkin is another young player that has been sent down to the AHL, but not playing and apparently not injured. If the Flyers are going to have to retain salary on the trade to make it work, certainly a 1st rdr would have to be added to the compensation. I do expect some type of '26 draft pick added.


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