I remember reading a few years ago, some people thought Jarry would be Canada's goalie in the next Olympics. I guess not.
- madmike71

Im not really feeling about half of the Dmen on the roster and two that I liked, Makar and Theadore, weren't in lineup last night.

EDIT: I meant to respond to MacPatty with that haha

I thought USA were the better team overall last night. Canada wasn't making good tape to tape passes. Canada kind of looked gassed the second half of game, which is weird. Two of USA goals were great shots but also savable.

With a lot of Canada players looking sluggish it's hard not to wonder if whatever illness kept Makar out of lineup may have been affecting more of them.
- MattStrat

It’s not. Sully’s system is just suffocating when he has players who can play it. That whole game was reminiscent of the Pens cup runs when they’d just smother you once they got the lead.

Also, I don't recall seeing Sid take a single face off in the tourney yet, which is weird because he's the best FO guy on team. So, this leads me to believe he's not 100%/arm is bothering him.

It’s not. Sully’s system is just suffocating when he has players who can play it. That whole game was reminiscent of the Pens cup runs when they’d just smother you once they got the lead.
- j.boyd919

It's not what?

Everything else you said is a big part of why I said I thought USA were better team overall. However, that system isn't why they weren't connecting on a lot of passes most of time. I'm talking like clear outlets with no coverage on recipient being fumbled.

It's not what?

Everything else you said is a big part of why I said I thought USA were better team overall. However, that system isn't why they weren't connecting on a lot of passes most of time. I'm talking like clear outlets with no coverage on recipient being fumbled.
- MattStrat

The illness lol

The illness lol
- j.boyd919

Ahh yes, take the condescending pr!ck route. I said its hard not to wonder, for me, knowing how contagions work and that these guys are in close proximity to each other. We've seen the Pen's, and other team's, overall play drop right the fvck off when a bug has swept through the locker room numerous times. A half dozen, or so, of them looked way slower than usual and they couldn't connect uncontested passes. Perhaps Makar didn't go anywhere near the rest of the team, or breath or eat near them, including during the Sweden game two days before while contagious, though...

As a heavy on analytics guy your assessment is off, anyway. The Pens in 2016 were analytical darlings, USA was not in that game. I think Helly would have saved those two goals. He saved much higher danger chances right on his doorstep among other shots from similar places as those two goals.

Ahh yes, take the condescending pr!ck route. I said its hard not to wonder, for me, knowing how contagions work and that these guys are in close proximity to each other. We've seen the Pen's, and other team's, overall play drop right the fvck off when a bug has swept through the locker room numerous times. A half dozen, or so, of them looked way slower than usual and they couldn't connect uncontested passes. Perhaps Makar didn't go anywhere near the rest of the team, or breath or eat near them, including during the Sweden game two days before while contagious, though...

As a heavy on analytics guy your assessment is off, anyway. The Pens in 2016 were analytical darlings, USA was not in that game. I think Helly would have saved those two goals. He saved much higher danger chances right on his doorstep among other shots from similar places as those two goals.
- MattStrat

Binner let in 2 he should have saved. By period 3 there was no team game. Get the puck and try to skate through everyone. And let’s not forget..

“The illness” the shook the hockey world 😜😂

Binner let in 2 he should have saved. By period 3 there was no team game. Get the puck and try to skate through everyone. And let’s not forget..

“The illness” the shook the hockey world 😜😂
- 10inchTerror

hahaha I'm not by any means saying this is definite, just that it really isn't that far fetched. Some of them looked like they were skating in cement, with hands of hardened cement, and it had absolutely nothing to do with Sully's system.

Canada were the Vegas(betting) underdogs in that game for good reasons. Reasons we all knew before the first puck drop of the tournament. I said here a bunch of times the past week I didnt like Canada's chances of winning that game... and that was with a healthy Makar and Theadore.

Ahh yes, take the condescending pr!ck route. I said its hard not to wonder, for me, knowing how contagions work and that these guys are in close proximity to each other. We've seen the Pen's, and other team's, overall play drop right the fvck off when a bug has swept through the locker room numerous times. A half dozen, or so, of them looked way slower than usual and they couldn't connect uncontested passes. Perhaps Makar didn't go anywhere near the rest of the team, or breath or eat near them, including during the Sweden game two days before while contagious, though...

As a heavy on analytics guy your assessment is off, anyway. The Pens in 2016 were analytical darlings, USA was not in that game. I think Helly would have saved those two goals. He saved much higher danger chances right on his doorstep among other shots from similar places as those two goals.
- MattStrat

I think I saw on the flow chart that USA was in control the entire game. They also limited Canada's HD chances in the 3rd significantly. 1st period was all Canada, second was more even, 3rd the USA just stifled them to the outside with tight checking and pressure.

I think I saw on the flow chart that USA was in control the entire game. They also limited Canada's HD chances in the 3rd significantly. 1st period was all Canada, second was more even, 3rd the USA just stifled them to the outside with tight checking and pressure.
- j.boyd919

Look at the scoring chances for each team, let alone the fact Canada had 10 players with 65% xGF, or higher, at 5 on 5, and USA had none. I just found USA to be more in sync, more cohesive as a team. Passing and supporting each other better.

https://moneypuck.com/g.htm?id=2024190004

Im not really feeling about half of the Dmen on the roster and two that I liked, Makar and Theadore, weren't in lineup last night.

EDIT: I meant to respond to MacPatty with that haha
- MattStrat

Yeah, this whole roster just doesn't feel right.

Tom Wilson should have been on this roster. MAF should have been on this roster . Scheifle should have been there.

We are missing Petro badly... I didnt care so much at the time, but then I started to watch the hockey and they are all taking it very seriously.

Not sure if this will actually happen but I read that the new top line will be Crosby-McDavid-Stone, so Coopers coaching strategy will just rely on Sid and Stone chasing pucks and McDavid doing what he usually does in blowing the zone for breakaways. Hopefully it works.

That's what happens when Georges St Pierre announced the lineup! It's going to end with a puck coming off Sid's stick.
- MacPatty

For the record, I was kind of right... Sid turned over the puck that led to the GWG

Yeah, this whole roster just doesn't feel right.

Tom Wilson should have been on this roster. MAF should have been on this roster . Scheifle should have been there.

We are missing Petro badly... I didnt care so much at the time, but then I started to watch the hockey and they are all taking it very seriously.

Not sure if this will actually happen but I read that the new top line will be Crosby-McDavid-Stone, so Coopers coaching strategy will just rely on Sid and Stone chasing pucks and McDavid doing what he usually does in blowing the zone for breakaways. Hopefully it works.
- MacPatty

He was going with Sid-McD-Mak a lot last game, didn't work out haha

Tom Wilson should absolutely be there. Should be on the 4th line with Bennett. I would probably take Scheifele over Jarvis.

For the record, I was kind of right... Sid turned over the puck that led to the GWG
- MacPatty

Its crazy Sid didn't take a single faceoff in that game and I cant recall him taking any vs. Sweden, either. That his arm isnt 100% has to be the only possible reason for this. That was a really bad turnover on their 2nd goal, no doubt.

Its crazy Sid didn't take a single faceoff in that game and I cant recall him taking any vs. Sweden, either. That his arm isnt 100% has to be the only possible reason for this. That was a really bad turnover on their 2nd goal, no doubt.
- MattStrat

No doubt. One of the best face off guys in the league wouldn’t make sense to not take a draw if he wasn’t hurt

Look at the scoring chances for each team, let alone the fact Canada had 10 players with 65% xGF, or higher, at 5 on 5, and USA had none. I just found USA to be more in sync, more cohesive as a team. Passing and supporting each other better.

https://moneypuck.com/g.htm?id=2024190004
- MattStrat

That's interesting -- what I saw on Natural Stat Trick was different, thanks! I'll have to look a little further into this one -- NST's stats for these games haven't been as detailed for whatever reason.

Its crazy Sid didn't take a single faceoff in that game and I cant recall him taking any vs. Sweden, either. That his arm isnt 100% has to be the only possible reason for this. That was a really bad turnover on their 2nd goal, no doubt.
- MattStrat

I read somewhere reporters are noticing him covering up his hands and wrists when the locker room is open.

Trade talk has picked up a bit on Karlsson. He is definitely helping to improve his value.

Trade talk has picked up a bit on Karlsson. He is definitely helping to improve his value.
- 123Kid

Yeah, he's looked great for Sweden.

That's interesting -- what I saw on Natural Stat Trick was different, thanks! I'll have to look a little further into this one -- NST's stats for these games haven't been as detailed for whatever reason.
- j.boyd919

There was definitely a great shut down, and keeping to the outside, in the 3rd by your Yankee squad. A luxury that can happen with a lead. However, if Helly lets in any of the grade A's in the first 2/3rds of the game what ends up being the outcome of the game? Perhaps the same but who knows. I'm sure Canada could play pretty good shut down with a lead, as well.

To be honest I'm a bit surprised by what I saw on Moneypuck regarding xGF.

I read somewhere reporters are noticing him covering up his hands and wrists when the locker room is open.
- Tojo.

Adds up.

I read somewhere reporters are noticing him covering up his hands and wrists when the locker room is open.
- Tojo.

He had his left wrist taped up in that live shot from the locker room.

Perhaps Canada can't shut it down good with a lead hahaha... That or score effects...

I was at the game today. Exciting ending! Fun for my boys to be at a game where Crosby, McDavid, and MacKinnon all scored.

Sid took a faceoff early and after that, not sure if this was on TV, he was shaking his left arm, then he didn't take any more faceoffs.

I was at the game today. Exciting ending! Fun for my boys to be at a game where Crosby, McDavid, and MacKinnon all scored.

Sid took a faceoff early and after that, not sure if this was on TV, he was shaking his left arm, then he didn't take any more faceoffs.
- MickV

So f'n awesome, and special, that you were there with your kids who love hockey too.