I guess everyone gave up.
- Nfdbulldawg

Few years ago.

Gotta hope Lou invites Cpt and Tennille to the draft so he gets the trades and drafting right!

I refuse to subscribe to espn.
- JimmyP

The game was actually lived streamed on the Islanders website for free.

I agree with you on the additional subscriptions though. All of these other platforms are getting out of hand.

Gotta hope Lou invites Cpt and Tennille to the draft so he gets the trades and drafting right!
- nyisles7

While I do not always agree with Cpt' point of view. How as a fan can you accept the current path of management? What lights up in your eyes and says I agree with the path of management (Lou).

Again, I was a total Lou supporter in the beginning. However, the past three (3) years he has not gotten this dog to hunt. Three seasons of rolling the dice is getting old.

Few years ago.
- Cptmjl

Haa Haa...

one more game

one more game
- batteryjackson

It would honestly be very satisfying to put the nail in CBJ's coffin for the season after that garbage no-goal call with Palmieri a month ago

It would honestly be very satisfying to put the nail in CBJ's coffin for the season after that garbage no-goal call with Palmieri a month ago
- Gabe Athaus

yeah it would because that was such bullpoop

yeah it would because that was such bullpoop
- batteryjackson

Losing and getting a better draft pick would probably be best though. Tough call.

Losing and getting a better draft pick would probably be best though. Tough call.
- Gabe Athaus

I'd rather the pick, but if Lou is still in charge it won't matter.

I'd rather the pick, but if Lou is still in charge it won't matter.
- JimmyP

As long as they're picking inside the top 11, they'll have a shot at winning the lottery and getting the first overall. Obviously it would be a ridiculous long-shot to see them leapfrog from 10/11 overall to #1 or inside the top 3, but the opportunity would at least be there. Getting inside the top-3 would land them an extremely valuable player in either Schaefer/Misa/Hagens/Martone etc...

I'd rather the pick, but if Lou is still in charge it won't matter.
- JimmyP

In fairness when Lou did draft the last few years the isles have had what appears to be some formidable prospects. It’s Lou’s signings and roster decisions that put him in the red.

I’m certainly not advocating for Lou, and I welcome his replacement not named Chris. But along with a new president/GM, the isles need a serious overhaul of their scouting and draft table personnel. Let’s start with Kenny Morrow…..love the player and history, but you can’t miss that many times in the top 5 and remain in that position. That’s putting friendship over business, and it ain’t called show friends….its called show business

As long as they're picking inside the top 11, they'll have a shot at winning the lottery and getting the first overall. Obviously it would be a ridiculous long-shot to see them leapfrog from 10/11 overall to #1 or inside the top 3, but the opportunity would at least be there. Getting inside the top-3 would land them an extremely valuable player in either Schaefer/Misa/Hagens/Martone etc...
- Gabe Athaus

It’s a long shot, unless you’re the Rangers who were rebuilding and the league wanted a money making original six team to land a “franchise” player. Then the odds of jumping from 11th to 1st overall go out the window. Wonder what the odds of the Oil getting the first overall 4 of out 6 years is? Probably have better chance of getting struck by lightning while being bitten by a shark

It’s a long shot, unless you’re the Rangers who were rebuilding and the league wanted a money making original six team to land a “franchise” player. Then the odds of jumping from 11th to 1st overall go out the window. Wonder what the odds of the Oil getting the first overall 4 of out 6 years is? Probably have better chance of getting struck by lightning while being bitten by a shark
- kindlyrick

Crazier things have certainly happened. While I don't have any unrealistic expectations of winning...it would be nice to at least have a shot at it. They'll get a good player at #10/11 also.

Crazier things have certainly happened. While I don't have any unrealistic expectations of winning...it would be nice to at least have a shot at it. They'll get a good player at #10/11 also.
- Gabe Athaus

I don’t think it’s unrealistic to think the isles could win the draft lottery….per the golden hand of Gary Bettman. The isles took a major hit losing Tavares and never replaced him. I can see the league giving the islanders a boost with the first overall. Especially given the loss of revenue of the all star game. I def don’t believe the draft lottery is based on the honor system.

I don’t think it’s unrealistic to think the isles could win the draft lottery….per the golden hand of Gary Bettman. The isles took a major hit losing Tavares and never replaced him. I can see the league giving the islanders a boost with the first overall. Especially given the loss of revenue of the all star game. I def don’t believe the draft lottery is based on the honor system.
- kindlyrick

I don't believe for a second that the league meddles with the lottery balls. The odds of them regularly rigging the lottery and some word of it never leaking out are virtually impossible. Hell, Frank Seravalli leaked the entire list of Seattle expansion draft picks ahead of time. Jeff Marek was allegedly fired from Sportsnet last draft because he was leaking selections before they were announced.

I don't believe the NHL is smart enough to conceal some sort of massive lottery-rigging scheme without ever getting caught.

I don’t think it’s unrealistic to think the isles could win the draft lottery….per the golden hand of Gary Bettman. The isles took a major hit losing Tavares and never replaced him. I can see the league giving the islanders a boost with the first overall. Especially given the loss of revenue of the all star game. I def don’t believe the draft lottery is based on the honor system.
- kindlyrick

Just for fun, I asked ChatGPT the question: What were the odds of the Oilers winning the first overall pick 4 times in 6 years?

The answer: 1 in 740

Just for fun, I asked ChatGPT the question: What were the odds of the Oilers winning the first overall pick 4 times in 6 years?

The answer: 1 in 740
- JohnScammo

Numbers never lie!!

Also from Chat GPT :

The Edmonton Oilers’ sequence of winning the first overall pick four times in six years, given their respective odds each year, was an extraordinarily improbable event, with a likelihood of about 0.03%.

I don't believe for a second that the league meddles with the lottery balls. The odds of them regularly rigging the lottery and some word of it never leaking out are virtually impossible. Hell, Frank Seravalli leaked the entire list of Seattle expansion draft picks ahead of time. Jeff Marek was allegedly fired from Sportsnet last draft because he was leaking selections before they were announced.

I don't believe the NHL is smart enough to conceal some sort of massive lottery-rigging scheme without ever getting caught.
- Gabe Athaus

Yeah we can go back and forth as to why or why not, but the math ain’t mathin’. When the Oilers who couldn’t sign UFAs were in the basement, I believe the league stepped in to save the franchise that risked leaving Edmonton. Then you had the Rangers jumping 10 spots during a rebuild?? What other team has jumped from 11 to first overall….cause my memory can’t recall anyone else.
Honorable mention to the Blackhawks, another original six team, and probably highest Jersey sales, losing Toews and Kane, only to win the lottery for Bedard.
I could be totally wrong, but I go by math and the statistics arent in the favor of an honorable system.

Yeah we can go back and forth as to why or why not, but the math ain’t mathin’. When the Oilers who couldn’t sign UFAs were in the basement, I believe the league stepped in to save the franchise that risked leaving Edmonton. Then you had the Rangers jumping 10 spots during a rebuild?? What other team has jumped from 11 to first overall….cause my memory can’t recall anyone else.
Honorable mention to the Blackhawks, another original six team, and probably highest Jersey sales, losing Toews and Kane, only to win the lottery for Bedard.
I could be totally wrong, but I go by math and the statistics arent in the favor of an honorable system.
- kindlyrick

The Rangers, in the Lafreniere draft, were really the only team to ever make a massive leap in the lottery*. After that it was changed to the current system where you can only move up 10 spots. Outside of that, there wasn't a ton of massive jumps.

Here is the list since the lottery was created:

https://records.nhl.com/draft/draft-lottery

*edit: Sorry, PHI went from 13 to 2 when they selected Nolan Patrick and CAR went from 11 to 2 when they took Svechnikov

The Rangers, in the Lafreniere draft, were really the only team to ever make a massive leap in the lottery. After that it was changed to the current system where you can only move up 10 spots. Outside of that, there wasn't a ton of massive jumps.

Here is the list since the lottery was created:

https://records.nhl.com/draft/draft-lottery

edit: Sorry, PHI went from 13 to 2 when they selected Nolan Patrick and CAR went from 11 to 2 when they took Svechnikov
- Gabe Athaus

The Philly Nolan Patrick draft is another example of a money making team getting a boost from the league. (IMO).

“Scouts highlighted his size, speed, and offensive skills as key strengths. He was described as a big-bodied center”. Sounds like the scouting report on Eric Lindross but it’s Nolan Patrick

How come small market teams NEVER get that 10 spot boost?

The Philly Nolan Patrick draft is another example of a money making team getting a boost from the league. (IMO).

“Scouts highlighted his size, speed, and offensive skills as key strengths. He was described as a big-bodied center”. Sounds like the scouting report on Eric Lindross but it’s Nolan Patrick

How come small market teams NEVER get that 10 spot boost?
- kindlyrick

And Carolina isn't. And the Oilers winning the McDavid lottery doesn't benefit the league nearly as much as it would have if he played on the East Coast in Buffalo (who had the worst record that year). Or if Arizona won the McDavid lottery, it would have jived with the league's MO of trying to shoe-horn hockey into non-traditional markets. There's no pattern, it's random as it is intended to be.

There will always be outliers and there's a million ways to find some sort of conspiracy if you want to, but I don't believe for a second that they're rigging it in favor of anyone.

Replying to the edits: CAR is a small market team. They got 1 out of 3 total "boosts" of ~10 picks that the NHL has seen since 1995 when the lottery was instituted.

And Carolina isn't. And the Oilers winning the McDavid lottery doesn't benefit the league nearly as much as it would have if he played on the East Coast in Buffalo (who had the worst record that year). Or if Arizona won the McDavid lottery, it would have jived with the league's MO of trying to shoe-horn hockey into non-traditional markets. There's no pattern, it's random as it is intended to be.

There will always be outliers and there's a million ways to find some sort of conspiracy if you want to, but I don't believe for a second that they're rigging it in favor of anyone.

Replying to the edits: CAR is a small market team. They got 1 out of 3 total "boosts" of ~10 picks that the NHL has seen since 1995 when the lottery was instituted.
- Gabe Athaus

We can agree to disagree. I don’t have any proof other than math, and statistically all my aforementioned examples are improbable.

Edmonton is really the best example for me having the statistic be .03% chance of winning 4 out of 6 years. I remember that time frame because the isles also had a hard time luring UFAs. You can argue that McDavid could have helped the league more so with another franchise, but there was no other franchise who benefited more than having a talent like McDavid than Edmonton. For a team who almost left Edmonton…..they got McDavid a year after they finished building a new arena. Go figure.
If you want to eliminate any talk of malfeasance, the answer is to allow the draft order to be from the standings.

We can agree to disagree. I don’t have any proof other than math, and statistically all my aforementioned examples are improbable.

Edmonton is really the best example for me having the statistic be .03% chance of winning 4 out of 6 years. I remember that time frame because the isles also had a hard time luring UFAs. You can argue that McDavid could have helped the league more so with another franchise, but there was no other franchise who benefited more than having a talent like McDavid than Edmonton. For a team who almost left Edmonton…..they got McDavid a year after they finished building a new arena. Go figure.
If you want to eliminate any talk of malfeasance, the answer is to allow the draft order to be from the standings.
- kindlyrick

True, but then you could have a lot of teams tanking toward the end of the season, and that's a very bad look for the League. Maybe not in a weak draft year, but could you imagine how many teams would have tanked for McDavid?

True, but then you could have a lot of teams tanking toward the end of the season, and that's a very bad look for the League. Maybe not in a weak draft year, but could you imagine how many teams would have tanked for McDavid?
- JohnScammo

Yeah I’m sure it would mean some teams would tank, but that should be part of the process of fair play. I get the argument that there’s league revenue sharing, but I also see the other side of the league manipulating the draft lottery to ensure competitiveness and teams staying in their respective cities.
Arizona at the time was playing in a 5000 seat arena. They weren’t letting them waste jersey revenue in that situation.
It’s all debatable but again, the statistics are highly unlikely.