This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I really think the Leafs franked themselves over for asking Marner to waive his NMC.

They just sent a message that they think of him as merely another part - there’s no emotional attachment.

And Leafs fans are now going to whine when Marner refuses to give a home team discount or pledge undying love to the team that drafted him.

Stupid move by Treliving.
- Atomic Wedgie

I don’t think it changes much from Marner’s perspective. He knows his biggest payday comes from free agency. He’ll try to maximize what he can get here and decide if it’s worth it to take less to stay. Playing in his hometown, connection to teammates, possibility of being a legend here are all things that make it worth staying.

The biggest factor is Rantanen coming off the market which insignificantly increases Marner’s value in free agency

Ideally, you want to compare well at xGF at 5v5. Expected means your system is working well offensively, or not. Having elite talents allows good teams to cheat xGF by breaking open games they would otherwise lose. Leafs and Lightning both do that to some degree.

I would wager that the teams beating their expected goals are the same teams relying on PDO to compensate.

edit : Tampa 3rd and Leafs 6th in PDO

- GalacticStone

It's a tool in the toolbox but it needs to be viewed with context. I listed a bunch of elite teams that substantially outperform their XGF%. It's an indicator of "things".

Every year it indicates that the Canes are the best at XGF% but underperform at actaul GF% ...because they are all about getting the puck to the net whether it be low quality or high quality.

Berube's Leafs will always have unflattering XGF% because of their system. Caps and Lightning are similar.

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I really think the Leafs franked themselves over for asking Marner to waive his NMC.

They just sent a message that they think of him as merely another part - there’s no emotional attachment.

And Leafs fans are now going to whine when Marner refuses to give a home team discount or pledge undying love to the team that drafted him.

Stupid move by Treliving.
- Atomic Wedgie

IF that story is true (because I’ve really conflicting reports now) I disagree.

Also since when does emotional attachment = need to overpay? If you don’t give me what I want you don’t love me? Jesus H. .

I feel like it’s about time MLSE started to let these guys know they are a part of the team, not THE team. Tough love and reality checks have sharp corners - sometimes they hurt.

If Marner walks & it’s because the Leafs believe the ask is more than they want to pay (arguing value is pointless in here because no 2 people will agree) let him walk and use that $ to target other pieces because it’ll be a lot of $.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - you only need one sports car if you have a 3 or 4 car garage and need a tractor to plow you driveway, a minivan and an SUV as well. No matter how nice 4 Porsches might look when people come over and see your garage.

“Awesome 911 collection man but how do you plow the long ass driveway?”

“Well I tied these rakes to the one 911 and it sorta / kinda worked for 5 min and but I’m sure next year it’ll work better - I’m upgrading the twine to metal wire”.

Mitch needs to re-up at a dollar amount the Leafs can afford while having enough to sign what else they need to be highly competitive.

Knies as an example.

And yes - the same should have been the case for Willy and Matthews and Reillly when they signed there current contracts but we are now at Marner.

One of them has to take the haircut or the only way the Lefs go deep is other non core players drastically over achieving in relation to their contract. Like Stolarz this season so far.

Thats not a sustainable model IMO.

I don’t think it changes much from Marner’s perspective. He knows his biggest payday comes from free agency. He’ll try to maximize what he can get here and decide if it’s worth it to take less to stay. Playing in his hometown, connection to teammates, possibility of being a legend here are all things that make it worth staying.

The biggest factor is Rantanen coming off the market which insignificantly increases Marner’s value in free agency
- Canada Cup

It increases Marner’s value as a commodity but not necessarily what he will be paid if he stays in Toronto. Rantanen has now set the bar and the argument shifts to which player is worth more money & how much more. Rantanen taking what he did likely hurt Marner from a money ask with the Leafs but it may benefit him if he wants to leave Toronto and max out playing in a place that will overpay in relation to value.

I’m not sure he wants to play anywhere else and I’d be using that leverage to its full advantage if I was negotiating with him along with the narrative that can be spun about how he took less to stay in Toronto. Other greats have done it why not Marner if he really wants to be viewed as one of the greatest Leafs ever?

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I really think the Leafs franked themselves over for asking Marner to waive his NMC.

They just sent a message that they think of him as merely another part - there’s no emotional attachment.

And Leafs fans are now going to whine when Marner refuses to give a home team discount or pledge undying love to the team that drafted him.

Stupid move by Treliving.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think it depends on how it was communicated. If Tree just said 'hey, we want you back but Carolina will only do Rantanen for MM AND Rantanen is ready to sign here today' then I think MM's camp would understand that's a pretty reasonable reason to come make the ask.

Every team would do the same thing. I'd imagine the discussion also included 'hey, we'd rather just sign you Mitch so how about you sign that 8x12.5M right now and we get that done instead'. Mitch prefers to wait until he has a yuge playoffs.

Either way I'm cool with waiting. Big playoffs ..he'll get paid. Another failure and we'll probably want to move on anyway.

I will be pleasantly surprised if we win more than 2 of the next 7 games.
- Drapz

Yes, I saw the schedule, some tough teams to play against.

I think it depends on how it was communicated. If Tree just said 'hey, we want you back but Carolina will only do Rantanen for MM AND Rantanen is ready to sign here today' then I think MM's camp would understand that's a pretty reasonable reason to come make the ask.

Every team would do the same thing. I'd imagine the discussion also included 'hey, we'd rather just sign you Mitch so how about you sign that 8x12.5M right now and we get that done instead'. Mitch prefers to wait until he has a yuge playoffs.

Either way I'm cool with waiting. Big playoffs ..he'll get paid. Another failure and we'll probably want to move on anyway.
- The Law

What contract Mitch camp is expecting to get here in Toronto in your opinion?

I think it depends on how it was communicated. If Tree just said 'hey, we want you back but Carolina will only do Rantanen for MM AND Rantanen is ready to sign here today' then I think MM's camp would understand that's a pretty reasonable reason to come make the ask.

Every team would do the same thing. I'd imagine the discussion also included 'hey, we'd rather just sign you Mitch so how about you sign that 8x12.5M right now and we get that done instead'. Mitch prefers to wait until he has a yuge playoffs.

Either way I'm cool with waiting. Big playoffs ..he'll get paid. Another failure and we'll probably want to move on anyway.
- The Law

I think that’s exactly how it went so hopefully no hard feelings.
https://x.com/spittinchic...&t=xdbwDZlJpKsy8vg5wHUWXg

I think it depends on how it was communicated. If Tree just said 'hey, we want you back but Carolina will only do Rantanen for MM AND Rantanen is ready to sign here today' then I think MM's camp would understand that's a pretty reasonable reason to come make the ask.

Every team would do the same thing. I'd imagine the discussion also included 'hey, we'd rather just sign you Mitch so how about you sign that 8x12.5M right now and we get that done instead'. Mitch prefers to wait until he has a yuge playoffs.

Either way I'm cool with waiting. Big playoffs ..he'll get paid. Another failure and we'll probably want to move on anyway.
- The Law

Pretty much

If Marner leaves, there is no way he signs in a meth-ridden hillbilly poophole like Carolina.

Threw my back out today bending down to pull a weed. Whole day shot to poop now. It's (frank)ing gorgeous outside and I had a whole day of productivity lined up, and now I'm laid up until tomorrow, minimum.

It's not go to the doc and a steroid shot bad, but close.

If Marner leaves, there is no way he signs in a meth-ridden hillbilly poophole like Carolina.

Threw my back out today bending down to pull a weed. Whole day shot to poop now. It's (frank)ing gorgeous outside and I had a whole day of productivity lined up, and now I'm laid up until tomorrow, minimum.

It's not go to the doc and a steroid shot bad, but close.
- GalacticStone

Backs are tricky. Sucks man.

If Marner leaves, there is no way he signs in a meth-ridden hillbilly poophole like Carolina.

Threw my back out today bending down to pull a weed. Whole day shot to poop now. It's (frank)ing gorgeous outside and I had a whole day of productivity lined up, and now I'm laid up until tomorrow, minimum.

It's not go to the doc and a steroid shot bad, but close.
- GalacticStone

From what I hear, there are a few clinics in Florida where you can get a prescription for Oxycontin fairly easily.

What could possibly go wrong?

Laughton and Carlo make the Leafs better however they didn't get the best players or the best value for what they gave up.

The prospects and the draft picks don't matter as much at this stage of their "window of opportunity" however the Leafs now have almost nothing left to trade to make their team stronger.

The Leafs really badly needed a Parayko type (hitter, with a PP slap shot) more than Carlo. And the assets they just gave up no longer exist to make that type of trade happen. Carlo is an improvement just not a big enough of one.

Laughton isn't good enough to replace Tavares going forward as the 2C and his 3C abilities are rather questionable. He seems more of a LW than a C with his FOs being under 50% and he's on the ice for a lot of EVGA. He's a hometown kid who throws hits but he gives the puck away a lot more than he takes it away. He kills some penalties. He's going to have to prove he's a lot better than he's shown the last couple of years. Feels like a bigger version of Domi which is not horrible but not great either.

They have to hope they can make some noise in the playoffs and then maybe sign Ekblad as a UFA because it seems as though Florida went all in for this year and will use Jones as a cheaper replacement going forward.

The question also has to be asked, "Why didn't Treliving acquire Rantanen from Colorado?". If he was willing to give up the entire farm and give him an extension why did he ever get traded to Carolina in the first place? Isn't Treliving supposed to be the GM who calls every GM constantly to listen to everybody?

This deadline was a C+ relative to what we gave up, what we acquired and what our direct competitors did. I see Florida as the A+ winner of the deadline, taking their already Cup winning team and added Jones, Marchand and Sturm. That's a top tier improvement for selling the farm.
- Rare_Jewel

Fück off idiot. You’re never happy.


Stop thinking you’re the smartest in the room…. You aren’t

If Marner leaves, there is no way he signs in a meth-ridden hillbilly poophole like Carolina.

Threw my back out today bending down to pull a weed. Whole day shot to poop now. It's (frank)ing gorgeous outside and I had a whole day of productivity lined up, and now I'm laid up until tomorrow, minimum.

It's not go to the doc and a steroid shot bad, but close.
- GalacticStone

You should ingest massive amounts of THC.

Expected goals make me laugh. If weirdoh were here, he'd laugh too.
- Zezel

Not if the subject was hooking up with a dude you thought was a chick from HB…

I think you guys should watch the clip with Friedman again. It sounded like they were just doing their due diligence and being transparent with the player; both parties (Leafs, Marner) stated that their preference is to re-sign with the Leafs.

Sure you would.

Most credible economists predict Canada has about 3-5 months left before they file for bankruptcy. The US better start deploying the military at the northern border as we are about to see illegal entries into our nation like we’ve never seen before.

A Canadian friend of mine paid $450,000 for a house in Alberta 2 years ago. It was just assessed at less than $25,000. Americans have no idea what is about to come.
- CGYFlames13

Let me guess... you voted for that misogynistic, lying, racist, convicted criminal POS prez who's deep into ruining the USA internationally and financially.

Congrats!

Let me guess... you voted for that misogynistic, lying, racist, convicted criminal POS prez who's deep into ruining the USA internationally and financially.

Congrats!


- Nasty_Duck

Biden?

You should ingest massive amounts of THC.
- Zezel

Massive clouds of smoke into my tortured lung holes followed by a fistful of kratom capsules to my face hole. I can't feel pain if I can't feel my body.

- GalacticStone

Looks like your back cleared up

Looks like your back cleared up
- Canada Cup

Just enjoying the political peter puffer parade.

Nice alliteration.

edit : that's me twerking.

Where did that optimism of two weeks ago go Fifty? They've been poop the last week or two but if we park that and remember where they were 2 weeks ago (4th in the league) ..and that they added a 3C and Big RHD ....and Tanev is going to be back ....there's room for optimism.

I'm erasing the last couple of weeks.

Best Leafs team we've seen in decades and I like Berube to get them playing their best again going into the playoffs.
- The Law

I’m still optimistic. But there is still also a referendum! 😂

Also, more crickets from my Gunner friends today!

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I really think the Leafs franked themselves over for asking Marner to waive his NMC.

They just sent a message that they think of him as merely another part - there’s no emotional attachment.

And Leafs fans are now going to whine when Marner refuses to give a home team discount or pledge undying love to the team that drafted him.

Stupid move by Treliving.
- Atomic Wedgie

Marner is also sending a message by not signing a contract yet. It’s fair game both ways. They’re in a negotiation. And (frank) Mitch’s feelings.

I think you guys should watch the clip with Friedman again. It sounded like they were just doing their due diligence and being transparent with the player; both parties (Leafs, Marner) stated that their preference is to re-sign with the Leafs.
- gravyface

Toronto reports are poopbags, putting Marner, Berube and others on the spot about what really went down on the Rantanen deal. Marner will sign with the Leafs, likely scenario is 8 years for about $100 to $105M. Knies should be the first order of business.