All the little mistakes add up in the end.
- furio16

Yes. I get that.

Again a lot bigger fish to fry.

You know what is happening though, his partner is playing extremely well. So if having Seeler out there allows Drysdale to be his best right now, I can live with it on a non playoff team

I don’t think Briere is a good GM but he may be lucky. Michkov chose the Flyers. They got possibly the next great Russian goalie with their 2nd goalie pick. It’s looking like an accidental tank job after trying to compete. And the players and outside voices are very publically turning against Tortorella possibly doing what he doesn’t have the guts to do. I wouldn’t be shocked if the team won the lottery this year or even next.

Sometimes lucky is better than good.
- psuhockey

Need to pump the breaks on that as he is rocking a .909 save % after his hot 6 game start. Pretty much in line with what Kolosov had in the KHL.

I don't think there is any way he is back. I think the things with Couturier and York and lack of communication with how they were handled (their words) is a bad look coming from "coach accountable."

I think Briere is starting to take back this team and will be doing real GMing moving forward. No concrete info but things I see. At this point he'll just let the season play out but I think Torts is gone once season is done. He'll be nowhere near this team for the draft or free agency.
- J35Bacher

We've discussed earlier by Torts actions, he views himself as an equal to the GM. I do not believe once Torts leaves the bench, somehow he changes that view willingly. That's the issue with the current corporate structure. So many unanswered questions when Torts leaves the bench and stays within the organization. Does the new HC inherit the current corporate structure?

Last night's attendance was 18,201. I do not believe New Era of Orange will risk a 3rd consecutive year collapse to end a season. I agree with the perception, he is gone.

- TobyFlenderson

ty

Yes. I get that.

Again a lot bigger fish to fry.

You know what is happening though, his partner is playing extremely well. So if having Seeler out there allows Drysdale to be his best right now, I can live with it on a non playoff team
- J35Bacher

He is playing better. The late season run when the pressure is off. Still looks like nothing more than a 3rd pairing guy at this time.

Flyers have 16 games left. MTL was 5th last season with 76 points. I would assume at most, the Flyers cannot be above 75 points to have a legit shot at 5th.

He is playing better. The late season run when the pressure is off. Still looks like nothing more than a 3rd pairing guy at this time.
- furio16

Ok.

Well to me, the way he is playing right now he looks like a legit top 4 guy with the right set up. You can see the skills and skating right now.

I don’t believe that. Why would MM want to come to Philly over anywhere else? He dropped to 7th because 6 teams felt that other players were better options. He’s offensively skilled, but he’s a small winger, not a particularly fast skater, and it looked like it might be trouble getting him here.
- Dkos

Idk what his reasons were for wanting to come to Philly… I can take a guess. Big USA city. City life. Women. Vibe. Location. Who knows. But he definitely told Arizona and Montreal NOT to draft him and implied he would not sign or go there. Possibly a few other teams. That’s pretty reasonable to believe actually happened by the actions of the player. Him being snuck into country and city and shown around and the extent flyers went to keep that quiet PREDRAFT is the actions that make it clear he choose Philly.


And there’s zero chance from skill of player and all that that ANY team had him other than either 1 or 2
In that draft. ZERO. If he was any nationality other than Russian no way he doesn’t go 1 or 2.


To take that further if he wasn’t Russian I think he definitely goes 1 if more watched him.

Ok.

Well to me, the way he is playing right now he looks like a legit top 4 guy with the right set up. You can see the skills and skating right now.
- J35Bacher

Maybe a legit top 4 on a weak Flyers team. As I said looking better with no pressure out of the playoffs.

- TobyFlenderson

When Jones and DB are poopcanned the Flyers should seriously consider handing the keys over to Prongs.

When Jones and DB are poopcanned the Flyers should seriously consider handing the keys over to Prongs.
- Tomahawk

He was interested before until the the Flyers laid out their organizational structure. Then he removed himself from consideration if I recall

Need to pump the breaks on that as he is rocking a .909 save % after his hot 6 game start. Pretty much in line with what Kolosov had in the KHL.
- furio16

Zavragin is playing for one of the top clubs over there at 19. He doesn’t turn 20 until August. Shesterkin didn’t make it as a regular in the KHL until his 20-21 year old season (December birthday). He only played 7 games at the end of his 19-20 year old season with a .912 save percentage for the same club Zavragin is on.

Zavragin is playing for one of the top clubs over there at 19. He doesn’t turn 20 until August. Shesterkin didn’t make it as a regular in the KHL until his 20-21 year old season (December birthday). He only played 7 games at the end of his 19-20 year old season with a .912 save percentage for the same club Zavragin is on.
- psuhockey

None of that changes what I posted. He has the same stats as Kolosov did in Russia.

ty
- corduroy

The way Torts works is pretty simple. If he sits a player for what he perceives is poor play, he wants that player to come to him and stick up for himself. Not to the media, but in person. This is what Frost did last year and Torts appreciated Frost's initiative. That is what he is expecting here from York and what he expected from Couts last year. Its not the way I would do it, but alas this is how Torts does it. If I were York, I would initiate the conversation and show some character, instead of whining to the media about it.

This is something I brought up last year. It was either Frost or Coots maybe both who said the same thing. Theres def an issue there with communication. Torts needs to be better. No excuses. Players cant get better unless they know what they need to be better at.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

law of the lid

Torts works only so long with his tough guy, my way or the highway routine, he actually limits himself with his antics. Most players will respond to discipline but at some point their lid, they need a leaders who has at least the same level of lid.

I feel like there must be something going on with TK too. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has surgery once the season ends. Maybe a shoulder injury? Didn’t he hurt his shoulder earlier in the season?
- Dkos

not good either way, nagging injuries seem to derail TK from having a great season

The other scoreboard watching is Edmonton. Their pick could drop to 20th overall which would be huge for the Flyers. At 20 they could move up into the midteens very easily with Vancouver the best target.

The way Torts works is pretty simple. If he sits a player for what he perceives is poor play, he wants that player to come to him and stick up for himself. Not to the media, but in person. This is what Frost did last year and Torts appreciated Frost's initiative. That is what he is expecting here from York and what he expected from Couts last year. Its not the way I would do it, but alas this is how Torts does it. If I were York, I would initiate the conversation and show some character, instead of whining to the media about it.
- jd250

And Frost still never really made it out of the doghouse and was quickly traded away.

At the end of the day York just isn't Torts' cup of tea and he's never gonna have the best opportunity to succeed as long as Torts is here.

Today is glorious.

Penguins beat Vegas

Flyers lose to OTT.

BOOM. TOP 4 PICK HERE WE COME.

I can also see 5 more losses still coming with this schedule and the goaltending we are throwing out there.
- J35Bacher

you would think this board would be super happy, the tank is real, Laughton gone, and no reason not sell more going into the off-season, it seems DB has deemed this group not be championship caliber, few pieces meet that criteria.

law of the lid

Torts works only so long with his tough guy, my way or the highway routine, he actually limits himself with his antics. Most players will respond to discipline but at some point their lid, they need a leaders who has at least the same level of lid.
- wcorvette

It really is interesting the flat out disrespect Torts has given to the captain of the team. It looks like to me if it was strictly up to Torts, Couts would have not been named captain. As we know shortly after Couts was named captain, he gets scratched in a playoff race. No doubt Couts production cratered and it could be justified his scratching was justified. The aftermath and lack of communication by the HC should have been a huge red flag. However, the media glossed over, "it is Torts being Torts"

This season, Couts starts as a 4th line winger for the home opener this season. Again, "Torts being torts". Noted several times, Couts is the best faceoff player on team. PPs start in the offensive zone, Couts gets no PP time until Frost and Laughton are traded. Of course, the PP has been a revolving door of different players playing together, but somehow the captain cannot contribute. Kind of odd considering one would think lack of skating speed is not as important on a PP.

Absolutely, Couts is a 3C at this point of his career. It has been a weird situation where the HC goes out of his way to alienate the captain of his team. My basic point is Torts in the media is known as this great communicator to his players is extremely flawed and ultimately detrimental to the team.

And Frost still never really made it out of the doghouse and was quickly traded away.

At the end of the day York just isn't Torts' cup of tea and he's never gonna have the best opportunity to succeed as long as Torts is here.
- Tomahawk

Quickly? How many years has Torts been the coach?

you would think this board would be super happy, the tank is real, Laughton gone, and no reason not sell more going into the off-season, it seems DB has deemed this group not be championship caliber, few pieces meet that criteria.
- wcorvette

Probably try to move RR at some point and i think DB deems some of the players as stop gaps.

After 2 years ND and Poehling should be gone.
Hathaway in 3 or sooner
Pelletier and Abols won't be playing here after this season.
Doubt Lycksell will be in the NHL

RR should be gone by next trade deadline
Zamula will be gone in 2 or sooner
Do they keep Drysdale?
York might be on his way out

Who are the goalie in 3 years, Bjarnason and Zavragin?

Look, I am not happy with Torts and the lack of moves from DB but we can't just look at the current roster, think prospects and who's contract is ending.

Probably try to move RR at some point and i think DB deems some of the players as stop gaps.

After 2 years ND and Poehling should be gone.
Hathaway in 3 or sooner
Pelletier and Abols won't be playing here after this season.
Doubt Lycksell will be in the NHL

RR should be gone by next trade deadline
Zamula will be gone in 2 or sooner
Do they keep Drysdale?
York might be on his way out

Who are the goalie in 3 years, Bjarnason and Zavragin?

Look, I am not happy with Torts and the lack of moves from DB but we can't just look at the current roster, think prospects and who's contract is ending.
- WhiskeyMan

gmdb extends the majority of players on expiring deals

The other scoreboard watching is Edmonton. Their pick could drop to 20th overall which would be huge for the Flyers. At 20 they could move up into the midteens very easily with Vancouver the best target.
- psuhockey

Buffalo is also a team I can see moving their pick. they need immediate help. Flyers not a fit though in a trade with them to me.

And Frost still never really made it out of the doghouse and was quickly traded away.

At the end of the day York just isn't Torts' cup of tea and he's never gonna have the best opportunity to succeed as long as Torts is here.
- Tomahawk

All while they will tank his value.