you would think this board would be super happy, the tank is real, Laughton gone, and no reason not sell more going into the off-season, it seems DB has deemed this group not be championship caliber, few pieces meet that criteria.
- wcorvette

Should have seen that from day 1.

When Jones and DB are poopcanned the Flyers should seriously consider handing the keys over to Prongs.
- Tomahawk

Comcast isn’t going to hire anyone that doesn’t tow the company’s poopty retool but never rebuild line plan and simple. The last 5 GMs might as well be the same person more or less.

This isn’t getting fixed until Comcast is gone unfortunately. Someone needs to talk them into selling the Flyers off. The only reason the refuse to sell has got to be the stadium ownership side of things. If they would just fully let go of hockey ops and let a minority stake run it this team would be so much better off. Really can’t get any worse at this point.

Legitimate question. Is there a franchise in the four major pro sports consistently run as poorly as the Flyers anymore? Washington Commanders used to own that title but now it’s the Flyers and Cleveland Browns pretty much.

Comcast isn’t going to hire anyone that doesn’t tow the company’s poopty retool but never rebuild line plan and simple. The last 5 GMs might as well be the same person more or less.

This isn’t getting fixed until Comcast is gone unfortunately. Someone needs to talk them into selling the Flyers off. The only reason the refuse to sell has got to be the stadium ownership side of things.
- hereticpride

I don't buy Comcast will not support a rebuild. Unfortunately they keep hiring bozos who clearly must interview very well.

They need to hire the right people first and foremost.

I don't buy Comcast will not support a rebuild. Unfortunately they keep hiring bozos who clearly must interview very well.

They need to hire the right people first and foremost.
- furio16

Hasn’t Hilferty pretty much confirmed it tho? They are never going to tear it down on Comcast’s watch

And Frost still never really made it out of the doghouse and was quickly traded away.

At the end of the day York just isn't Torts' cup of tea and he's never gonna have the best opportunity to succeed as long as Torts is here.
- Tomahawk

I think you're right about York, but its because of York's personality to be honest. I know the underlying metrics say York is having a good year, but the eye test tells a very different story. He has not been very good this season and that's disappointing to me because I was one that advocated drafting York over Cole Caufield. If York truly doesn't know why Torts benched him, go and confront him about it. The fact that he hasn't is yet another disappointment. Would you want to go to war with a player like this? I know I wouldn't.

Comcast isn’t going to hire anyone that doesn’t tow the company’s poopty retool but never rebuild line plan and simple. The last 5 GMs might as well be the same person more or less.

This isn’t getting fixed until Comcast is gone unfortunately. Someone needs to talk them into selling the Flyers off. The only reason the refuse to sell has got to be the stadium ownership side of things. If they would just fully let go of hockey ops and let a minority stake run it this team would be so much better off. Really can’t get any worse at this point.

Legitimate question. Is there a franchise in the four major pro sports consistently run as poorly as the Flyers anymore? Washington Commanders used to own that title but now it’s the Flyers and Cleveland Browns pretty much.
- hereticpride

Maybe add in the Oakland/Sacramento/Vegas A's

Buffalo is also a team I can see moving their pick. they need immediate help. Flyers not a fit though in a trade with them to me.
- furio16

Ever hear of 3-way

I think you're right about York, but its because of York's personality to be honest. I know the underlying metrics say York is having a good year, but the eye test tells a very different story. He has not been very good this season and that's disappointing to me because I was one that advocated drafting York over Cole Caufield. If York truly doesn't know why Torts benched him, go and confront him about it. The fact that he hasn't is yet another disappointment. Would you want to go to war with a player like this? I know I wouldn't.
- jd250

A good manager (coach) would explain to their employee (player) what the issue is, what can be done to rectify it, how long they have to fix the discrepancy, and what they would like to see going forwards - not doing these things leaves the employee (player) confused - they may think they know what the issue was and work to resolve it only to find out the manager (coach) was upset with a different aspect of their performance

It is not the employee's (player's) responsibility to find out what they did wrong - it is the managers (coaches) responsibility to lay out what is wrong

Ever hear of 3-way
- Stayin alive

Like a menage a trois?

Hasn’t Hilferty pretty much confirmed it tho? They are never going to tear it down on Comcast’s watch
- hereticpride

The Flyers are not going to tear it down because doing so fails much more than it succeeds, and honestly its not necessary. The Flyers are now the 5th youngest team in the league, and in the past two years have moved on from Provorov, Walker, DeAngelo, Hayes, Atkinson, Frost, Farabee, Laughton and Kuzmenko. I think this is enough of a tear down at this point. Now its time to build a better team back up, and the Flyers have the draft capital and cap space to do it.

A good manager (coach) would explain to their employee (player) what the issue is, what can be done to rectify it, how long they have to fix the discrepancy, and what they would like to see going forwards - not doing these things leaves the employee (player) confused - they may think they know what the issue was and work to resolve it only to find out the manager (coach) was upset with a different aspect of their performance

It is not the employee's (player's) responsibility to find out what they did wrong - it is the managers (coaches) responsibility to lay out what is wrong
- corduroy

I don't buy this argument. These are professional athletes, they don't need to be babied. I'll be you anyting York knows he is not playing very well already, he just doesn't like the embarassment of being benched. Too bad! If he doesn't want to be benched, he needs to step up his play big time. If I was making the decisions on the Flyers, I would look to trade York this off season versus extending him, even on a bridge deal.

Hasn’t Hilferty pretty much confirmed it tho? They are never going to tear it down on Comcast’s watch
- hereticpride

Honestly do not recall.

However that would be his call though. If Comcast hired someone who wants to tear it down they would have no issue with it IMO.

Comcast people are not dumb. They know if you have a winner you will make more money. Sustained success. Short term loss long term gain. Not even sure they would have such short term loss. People will come if they have something to come to, despite the record. See they start of the Lindros era.

Not sure what it will take for Comcast to really do a deep dive and realize they have the wrong people in place; all over the organization. The Flyers are a drop in the bucket in the Comcast portfolio.

I don't buy this argument. These are professional athletes, they don't need to be babied. I'll be you anyting York knows he is not playing very well already, he just doesn't like the embarassment of being benched. Too bad! If he doesn't want to be benched, he needs to step up his play big time. If I was making the decisions on the Flyers, I would look to trade York this off season versus extending him, even on a bridge deal.
- jd250

Another player traded due to the man child coach -- what a way to build a team

A good manager (coach) would explain to their employee (player) what the issue is, what can be done to rectify it, how long they have to fix the discrepancy, and what they would like to see going forwards - not doing these things leaves the employee (player) confused - they may think they know what the issue was and work to resolve it only to find out the manager (coach) was upset with a different aspect of their performance

It is not the employee's (player's) responsibility to find out what they did wrong - it is the managers (coaches) responsibility to lay out what is wrong
- corduroy

Torts is such pseudo tough guy. Such a fraud it is mind boggling no player has laid him out as of yet.

The Flyers are not going to tear it down because doing so fails much more than it succeeds, and honestly its not necessary. The Flyers are now the 5th youngest team in the league, and in the past two years have moved on from Provorov, Walker, DeAngelo, Hayes, Atkinson, Frost, Farabee, Laughton and Kuzmenko. I think this is enough of a tear down at this point. Now its time to build a better team back up, and the Flyers have the draft capital and cap space to do it.
- jd250

Just oozing with talent. Being the youngest is another organizational talking point that you follow.

Yet don't have the management team in place to execute it.

I don't buy this argument. These are professional athletes, they don't need to be babied. I'll be you anyting York knows he is not playing very well already, he just doesn't like the embarassment of being benched. Too bad! If he doesn't want to be benched, he needs to step up his play big time. If I was making the decisions on the Flyers, I would look to trade York this off season versus extending him, even on a bridge deal.
- jd250

You’re buying into the Cult of Tortorella kool aid big time. He is a coach with very limited tools, none of which work in today’s game. He pulls these antics because he doesn’t know any better.

What Tortorella does to players he doesn’t like isn’t coaching. It is pure incompetence and a cop out for a coach with no answers.

Honestly do not recall.

However that would be his call though. If Comcast hired someone who wants to tear it down they would have no issue with it IMO.

Comcast people are not dumb. They know if you have a winner you will make more money. Sustained success. Short term loss long term gain. Not even sure they would have such short term loss. People will come if they have something to come to, despite the record. See they start of the Lindros era.

Not sure what it will take for Comcast to really do a deep dive and realize they have the wrong people in place; all over the organization. The Flyers are a drop in the bucket in the Comcast portfolio.
- furio16

Comcast has erred by hitching their wagon to the legacy of Snider and all the hanger-ons that are still around. They’ve simply outsourced it to these folks and trust they know the brand and what to do.

Time to cut ties with all of them and realign.

It really is interesting the flat out disrespect Torts has given to the captain of the team. It looks like to me if it was strictly up to Torts, Couts would have not been named captain. As we know shortly after Couts was named captain, he gets scratched in a playoff race. No doubt Couts production cratered and it could be justified his scratching was justified. The aftermath and lack of communication by the HC should have been a huge red flag. However, the media glossed over, "it is Torts being Torts"

This season, Couts starts as a 4th line winger for the home opener this season. Again, "Torts being torts". Noted several times, Couts is the best faceoff player on team. PPs start in the offensive zone, Couts gets no PP time until Frost and Laughton are traded. Of course, the PP has been a revolving door of different players playing together, but somehow the captain cannot contribute. Kind of odd considering one would think lack of skating speed is not as important on a PP.

Absolutely, Couts is a 3C at this point of his career. It has been a weird situation where the HC goes out of his way to alienate the captain of his team. My basic point is Torts in the media is known as this great communicator to his players is extremely flawed and ultimately detrimental to the team.
- Trox88

kind of it, Torts is not wrong in most cases, but the way he handles magnify the problem, that is more likely to stunt any growth, not saying Frost is a 2C, not saying Coots is but it appears Torts methods stunt growth and lower value. Look at Ryan P, guy can only skate fast, falls, hands are terrible and hockey IQ MEH, but he was elevated, and I am sure he played above his level, with that trust Torts put into him, but if Torts doesn't like your style, you get the opposite.

Comcast has erred by hitching their wagon to the legacy of Snider and all the hanger-ons that are still around. They’ve simply outsourced it to these folks and trust they know the brand and what to do.

Time to cut ties with all of them and realign.
- StepfordSam

No doubt 100%. Until they do that their will be no real success.

Maybe add in the Oakland/Sacramento/Vegas A's
- corduroy

Ill add the Dallas Cowboys. As long as Jerrah is in control they will never do what it takes to win.

Flyers are not going to tear it down because doing so fails much more than it succeeds, and honestly its not necessary. The Flyers are now the 5th youngest team in the league, and in the past two years have moved on from Provorov, Walker, DeAngelo, Hayes, Atkinson, Frost, Farabee, Laughton and Kuzmenko. I think this is enough of a tear down at this point. Now its time to build a better team back up, and the Flyers have the draft capital and cap space to do it.
- jd250

Does this really matter if the bulk of their youth sucks and will continue to suck?


And due to sheer mathematics it will fail more than it succeeds, but the super VAST majority of teams that have won the cup since the cap era began HAVE torn it down. That is a fact.

Ill add the Dallas Cowboys. As long as Jerrah is in control they will never do what it takes to win.
- MBFlyerfan

Raiders. White Sox

Buffalo is also a team I can see moving their pick. they need immediate help. Flyers not a fit though in a trade with them to me.
- furio16

I think Buffalo would move down from someone like Bonk since they have no right handed defensemen but I don’t think they would move down for just picks. I think the Canucks, Islanders and maybe even the Bruins would move down some for just picks. Any other team is probably costing a player and or prospect.

I think Buffalo would move down from someone like Bonk since they have no right handed defensemen but I don’t think they would move down for just picks. I think the Canucks, Islanders and maybe even the Bruins would move down some for just picks. Any other team is probably costing a player and or prospect.
- psuhockey

I think they would move down for NHL players. They need/want immediate help. They need the playoffs next year no matter what.

Ill add the Dallas Cowboys. As long as Jerrah is in control they will never do what it takes to win.
- MBFlyerfan

At least they won in my lifetime lol