Ivan Provorov is also an upgrade, if they could get him. He'd slot in where Rielly would be playing. Losing Marner would be bittersweet, because he's an exciting player, however his playoff failure constitutes letting him walk, if the Leafs do not get out of the first round. Rielly might be rejuvenated elsewhere, Vancouver or Seattle could be a fit.
- PrinceLH

So Marner for Provorov?

Leafs showed they were looking at moving Marner for another elite winger. With Rantanen gone, there really any in free agency and Leafs don’t have the trade assets to shop that way. If you can’t replace him that’s a big hole in our top 6.

So what’s the play with him gone? Gritty 3rd liners? Upgrade in D?
- Canada Cup

Duchene, Bennett, and Ehlers?

They currently make 3, 4.5 and 6 respectively. Probably could only get two of them, but that would do.

Or, if JT doesn't get signed, try to get all 3!

Duchene, Bennett, and Ehlers?

They currently make 3, 4.5 and 6 respectively. Probably could only get two of them, but that would do.

Or, if JT doesn't get signed, try to get all 3!
- sokosteve

I believe with Marner gone there is 27 mil next season available. Without moving Riely

Could add 2 good forwards and a solid D.

Ehlers is intriguing..He an Nylander were taken back to back I believe and their careers have been pretty comparable until the last couple but Ehlers also only plays 15 min per game.

Duchene will likely sign for 1-3 years with Dallas on a team friendly deal being 34. Unless Dallas lets him walk.

Florida may have to let Bennet go due to the cap and could likely be had on a reasonable deal barring a bidding war.

My D target would be Chychren or try to trade for the rights to Dobson.. Maybe Dangle Rielly to the iles

Ivan Provorov is also an upgrade, if they could get him. He'd slot in where Rielly would be playing. Losing Marner would be bittersweet, because he's an exciting player, however his playoff failure constitutes letting him walk, if the Leafs do not get out of the first round. Rielly might be rejuvenated elsewhere, Vancouver or Seattle could be a fit. Brock Boeser in Free Agency?
- PrinceLH

If the Leafs don't get out of the first round, only Marner gets blamed? His "playoff failures" are still better than Matthews, Tavares and Nylander in points. If this team fails or succeeds in the playoffs, it's the whole group, not just one guy.

Provorov has 11 career playoff points. Boeser has 23 playoff points.

Duchene, Bennett, and Ehlers?

They currently make 3, 4.5 and 6 respectively. Probably could only get two of them, but that would do.

Or, if JT doesn't get signed, try to get all 3!
- sokosteve

A lot of people complain about Marner's playoff (50 career points) numbers, even though he has more career playoff points than Matthews (48), Tavares (46) and Nylander (43), so I can only imagine how much people would complain about Duchene (31 playoff points) and Ehlers (14 playoff points) in the playoffs whom combined have less career playoff points than Marner. And also the fact that Marner plays the PK, is in his prime and is probably 2nd to only McDavid in playmaking ability in the NHL.

I loved Bennett 4 years ago because he was cheap and in his prime. But as a 29 year old UFA, he's bound to get overpaid. And a player who grinds as hard as he does probably has a lot less left in the tank after 30 than before. Would not sign him for what he wants because it'll be a contract that will be too much and will sour as it ages. I'd rather trade for Crouse or another younger, cheaper power forward than overpay for a UFA about to be on the wrong side of 30.

If he wants to take a home town discount (6 AAV or less over 5 years) then sure, otherwise, not worth it. I would however, rather spend that money on Bennett from 29-34 before I'd take Tavares 35-40 for the same price.

My D target would be Chychren or try to trade for the rights to Dobson.. Maybe Dangle Rielly to the iles
- Azuredoom

Chychrun is having a career year, probably ends with 20+ goals. He probably stays in Washington but he's not signing in Canada again. And he'll get way more money than the Leafs can afford to pay him considering he's a LHD. Could see him going to Tampa Bay, he was born in Florida but the Panthers probably couldn't fit him if they retain Bennett, Ekblad and/or Marchand.

Rielly has a NMC so Vancouver might be one of the only places he'd consider waiving but he sure as hell isn't waiving to play in Long Island.

I believe with Marner gone there is 27 mil next season available. Without moving Riely

Could add 2 good forwards and a solid D.

Ehlers is intriguing..He an Nylander were taken back to back I believe and their careers have been pretty comparable until the last couple but Ehlers also only plays 15 min per game.

Duchene will likely sign for 1-3 years with Dallas on a team friendly deal being 34. Unless Dallas lets him walk.

Florida may have to let Bennet go due to the cap and could likely be had on a reasonable deal barring a bidding war.

My D target would be Chychren or try to trade for the rights to Dobson.. Maybe Dangle Rielly to the iles
- Azuredoom

FL should have the cap room for Bennett, I think it’s going to come down to if he wants to try and really cash in elsewhere.

Depeche Mode > Duran Duran

FL should have the cap room for Bennett, I think it’s going to come down to if he wants to try and really cash in elsewhere.
- Ratsreign

He's staying in Florida.

He's happy there, he's winning there and he's not getting taxed as much.

He'll do like Reinhart and take a little less to stick around.

Duran Duran? Fans of those sissies got beat up at my school.


- GalacticStone

Quite literally my favourite band. I saw them twice last year.

Depeche Mode > Duran Duran
- AdamFrench

I like Depeche Mode just fine but I'm telling you, Adam . . . them's fighting words.

I mean since we're talking predominantly 80s bands here, it's less a fist-fight and more of a Zoolander-style walk-off, but whatever.

I like Depeche Mode just fine but I'm telling you, Adam . . . them's fighting words.

I mean since we're talking predominantly 80s bands here, it's less a fist-fight and more of a Zoolander-style walk-off, but whatever.
- Monkeypunk

I like both as well. I'm not willing to die on a hill here, just think Enjoy the Silence is the best song from either band which sways me.
To be fair, there is a dearth of choices. Joy Division, WHAM!, The Human League, Pet Shop Boys, Eurythmics, Tears For Fears etc.

The constant argument that Marner is a better playoff performer than Nylander, Matthews is so laughable, almost as laughable as the super hot take that without Marner the Leafs don't make the playoffs. With the amount of ice time and where he slots in Marner SHOULD have more points than everyone except the current Captain really. L1, PP1, PK he's on the ice A LOT so to have lots of points (secondary points mostly) isn't that shocking an accomplishment, secondary points meaning someone else finished.

Look at points and performances when the chips are down and it's games 5-7 and it's clear Marner has not performed in those tight playoff games well enough at all considering his salary and supposed importance to the teams success.

The whataboutisms can continue about the rest of the core and the whining about "so only Marner is to blame". The fact is Marner is the only one of the core who is up for a new contract so he is the core piece that is being discussed as not good enough and perhaps needs to be moved if he doesn't change his playoff performance this year. It's not just Marner and I don't think anyone is saying that, but he happens to be the guy holding the sack asking for it to be filled with cash right now. Could/Should the Leafs potentially have moved out other core pieces when they were up for new deals? Maybe, it's certainly debatable but it doesn't matter now they didn't and they are where they are now.

If it makes people less butt hurt look at it this way - the core hasn't got it done and if they fail again this year many want a core shake up. The easiest way to do that is to move the guy who is a UFA and will probably want more money that the playoff performances of the core can justify.

And JT's money coming off the books isn't the solution, they have to lock up Knies and re-up or replace JT. And the "trade Nylander for..." daily garbage that someone loves to post here is just that - garbage and won't happen. Willy is a Leaf for many years to come full stop.

Lets hope none of that matters and they go deep and the core players all contribute in all games early, mid and late in all the series.

I like both as well. I'm not willing to die on a hill here, just think Enjoy the Silence is the best song from either band which sways me.
To be fair, there is a dearth of choices. Joy Division, WHAM!, The Human League, Pet Shop Boys, Eurythmics, Tears For Fears etc.
- AdamFrench

The thing about Duran Duran is you can't just listen to their music to evaluate them. It was much more than that.

They were a huge influence on fashion, music, culture.

Depeche Mode was just a band.

You kinda had to be there.

I like both as well. I'm not willing to die on a hill here, just think Enjoy the Silence is the best song from either band which sways me.
To be fair, there is a dearth of choices. Joy Division, WHAM!, The Human League, Pet Shop Boys, Eurythmics, Tears For Fears etc.
- AdamFrench

P.S. In terms of just music, Tears for Fears tops this list. Then the Eurythmics, then everyone else much further below.

The thing about Duran Duran is you can't just listen to their music to evaluate them. It was much more than that.

They were a huge influence on fashion, music, culture.

Depeche Mode was just a band.

You kinda had to be there.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'm a millennial, sue me. Let's talk about the Backstreet Boys and Eminem and see how you fare.

Depeche Mode > Duran Duran
- AdamFrench

I second this nomination.

IMO DM as a band showed more range and growth album to album than Duran Duran. Truth be told though I never listened to a lot of Duran Duran. I listened to more of The Smiths, The Cure, The Cult (who I saw live in Ottawa at Bluesfest in 2016 and were awesome. They played Here comes the Rain in the pouring rain - too cool) New Order......

I'm a millennial, sue me. Let's talk about the Backstreet Boys and Eminem and see how you fare.
- AdamFrench

I'm surprised you didn't say NKOTB - you seem like a 'blockhead'

I'm a millennial, sue me. Let's talk about the Backstreet Boys and Eminem and see how you fare.
- AdamFrench

Crap.

Absolute crap.

Get off my lawn.

I think these guys were the best from the 80's.

NOT! Great by Canadian standards though! Is that Bryan Adams I hear??? Who knew!!

I'm surprised you didn't say NKOTB - you seem like a 'blockhead'

- Cush29

I was on the forefront of EDM in my day good sir. That and the greatest musician to ever grace the airwaves in Fred Durst. He, I and the rest of us true believers did it all for the nookie.

The constant argument that Marner is a better playoff performer than Nylander, Matthews is so laughable, almost as laughable as the super hot take that without Marner the Leafs don't make the playoffs. With the amount of ice time and where he slots in Marner SHOULD have more points than everyone except the current Captain really. L1, PP1, PK he's on the ice A LOT so to have lots of points (secondary points mostly) isn't that shocking an accomplishment, secondary points meaning someone else finished.

Look at points and performances when the chips are down and it's games 5-7 and it's clear Marner has not performed in those tight playoff games well enough at all considering his salary and supposed importance to the teams success.

The whataboutisms can continue about the rest of the core and the whining about "so only Marner is to blame". The fact is Marner is the only one of the core who is up for a new contract so he is the core piece that is being discussed as not good enough and perhaps needs to be moved if he doesn't change his playoff performance this year. It's not just Marner and I don't think anyone is saying that, but he happens to be the guy holding the sack asking for it to be filled with cash right now. Could/Should the Leafs potentially have moved out other core pieces when they were up for new deals? Maybe, it's certainly debatable but it doesn't matter now they didn't and they are where they are now.

If it makes people less butt hurt look at it this way - the core hasn't got it done and if they fail again this year many want a core shake up. The easiest way to do that is to move the guy who is a UFA and will probably want more money that the playoff performances of the core can justify.

And JT's money coming off the books isn't the solution, they have to lock up Knies and re-up or replace JT. And the "trade Nylander for..." daily garbage that someone loves to post here is just that - garbage and won't happen. Willy is a Leaf for many years to come full stop.

Lets hope none of that matters and they go deep and the core players all contribute in all games early, mid and late in all the series.
- Cush29

I think this sums up how I generally feel about Marner in the playoffs:



In general his play doesn't alter that much - he continues to generate slot passes and plays that generate offense. His personal scoring chances do go down but not by as much as everyone thinks.

But what is the consistent issue? If slot passes and offense generating plays are basically static why are his points so much lower? Where are the guys he is generating this offense with? I've said it before and I'll say it again - look at last year's team: whether it was Bertuzzi or Domi or Matthews or Tavares, or even on the Power play - the Leafs are too passive in the O-Zone and no one is TAKING the danger areas and making it theirs. Knies had a pretty good series as I recall but much of what he did that was successful was more off the rush than establishing position. I recall the two best chances that Marner setup were because Edmundson was the only guy willing to jump into the slot - Edmundson! If we'd just had some of our prime shooters willing to do what they are paid to do, then the setup guys like Marner and Domi would have been making those plays.

So we do go back and forth on this and I say that players like Marner need a supporting cast to excel because they are the puck movers, but the other players on the team need a player like Marner because they require puck movers. Imagine the Canada game if McDavid, instead of sliding back 3 feet to create a clean lane between he and Marner, had drifted back to the top of the faceoff circle. The Leafs need more shooters willing to be uncomfortable in the playoffs.

Nothing excludes Marner from criticism here, but the rest of the team has to step up as well and actually play like they want to win.

The constant argument that Marner is a better playoff performer than Nylander, Matthews is so laughable, almost as laughable as the super hot take that without Marner the Leafs don't make the playoffs. With the amount of ice time and where he slots in Marner SHOULD have more points than everyone except the current Captain really. L1, PP1, PK he's on the ice A LOT so to have lots of points (secondary points mostly) isn't that shocking an accomplishment, secondary points meaning someone else finished.

Look at points and performances when the chips are down and it's games 5-7 and it's clear Marner has not performed in those tight playoff games well enough at all considering his salary and supposed importance to the teams success.

The whataboutisms can continue about the rest of the core and the whining about "so only Marner is to blame". The fact is Marner is the only one of the core who is up for a new contract so he is the core piece that is being discussed as not good enough and perhaps needs to be moved if he doesn't change his playoff performance this year. It's not just Marner and I don't think anyone is saying that, but he happens to be the guy holding the sack asking for it to be filled with cash right now. Could/Should the Leafs potentially have moved out other core pieces when they were up for new deals? Maybe, it's certainly debatable but it doesn't matter now they didn't and they are where they are now.

If it makes people less butt hurt look at it this way - the core hasn't got it done and if they fail again this year many want a core shake up. The easiest way to do that is to move the guy who is a UFA and will probably want more money that the playoff performances of the core can justify.

And JT's money coming off the books isn't the solution, they have to lock up Knies and re-up or replace JT. And the "trade Nylander for..." daily garbage that someone loves to post here is just that - garbage and won't happen. Willy is a Leaf for many years to come full stop.

Lets hope none of that matters and they go deep and the core players all contribute in all games early, mid and late in all the series.
- Cush29

Willie has been our most clutch performer. Matthews and marner have the most points but neither is clutch or shows up in elimination games. Outside of one series both matthews and marner have been constant playoff disappointments....more so Matthews imo
Hes paid more and should be the best goal scorer in the league....but that rarely comes through in the playoffs.

80’s music




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg9aQvjMS60

80’s music




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg9aQvjMS60
- Ratsreign

best maiden

I second this nomination.

IMO DM as a band showed more range and growth album to album than Duran Duran. Truth be told though I never listened to a lot of Duran Duran. I listened to more of The Smiths, The Cure, The Cult (who I saw live in Ottawa at Bluesfest in 2016 and were awesome. They played Here comes the Rain in the pouring rain - too cool) New Order......
- Cush29

Most bands have an evolution. Depends on what you evolve into, I suppose.

Duran Duran basically went Girls On Film -> Hungry Like the Wolf -> The Reflex -> Wild Boys -> Notorious -> All She Wants Is -> Come Undone. There's an evolution from New Wave to Pop to Funk to Contemporary. All are likeable. They were at their peak for Rio or Seven and the Ragged Tiger. I still like a lot of their new stuff but it's not particularly well known.

DM basically went from Just Can't Get Enough -> People Are People -> Strangelove -> Enjoy the Silence -> Barrel of a Gun -> Precious

In there, for anyone who's a huge DM fan, there were a lot of albums but the sounds were similar over a few of them (like Speak & Spell & A Broken Frame; or Black Celebration and Music for the Masses). They were always an electronic band that evolved with technology, but after a trip to Nashville incorporated guitar in the mix, hence the inspiration in Personal Jesus. Then they really took it heavier into the albums Songs of Faith and Devotion and Ultra. Personally I do like I Feel You or Barrel of Gun - but I think they were at their best for Black Celebration and Music for the Masses albums.