It makes perfect sense. They're all out on the ice in ENG situations. All those guys would be -20 too if it really was just the ENG that made Rielly look bad.
- Rare_Jewel

But those guys get their pluses from all the goals that they score to make up for the minuses that they get in empty net situations.

#FreeWedgie

* nah, you're acting like jabroni. I don't blame him
** Hummm. he's a Dman. He being paid keep the puck out, no?
*** no he hasn't. moved to the 2nd unit

he has sucked this cause of the different style of play with the new coach
- dmnted

Being correct is what I am. Know your role.

He's paid 7.5 to defend? Please, tell me when Rielly has ever been considered such a brick wall defender he's worth 7.5 to do it. He got paid to score points.

The 2nd PP unit that gets 30 seconds because the 1st unit kicked him off it and improved immediately without him?

I agree that Reilly hasn’t been good but your comparison to the top forwards doesn’t really make sense.
- shack67

the core 4 are all about 3-16 (-13) with net empty so yeah, pretty much same as reilly
diff is at 5v5

But those guys get their pluses from all the goals that they score to make up for the minuses that they get in empty net situations.
- shack67

Aaaaaand Rielly, who has a pathetic 34 points is not scoring enough at 5v5 or the PP to make up for it despite being paid 7.5 AAV to be an offensive producer.

Agreed ....-6 with 65% OZ starts is a better way to show he needs to be better.
- The Law

pretty much.
i was beating this horse for years...im over it. MR is what he is and will finish his contract with the leafs.

Hopefully Carlo can be that piece that helps him.
- AdamFrench

He's big but I don't think he's as physical or aggressive as he needs to be to help Rielly as much as is required.

Remember, Boston wouldn't just give up a solid top-4 RHD with term left to a division rival unless there were some issues that needed to be resolved.

Aaaaaand Rielly, who has a pathetic 34 points is not scoring enough at 5v5 or the PP to make up for it despite being paid 7.5 AAV to be an offensive producer.
- Rare_Jewel

So you’re saying that you were wrong.

Rielly went into the plus-minus store, bought all the minuses, and they had to close the store.

So you’re saying that you were wrong.
- shack67

Perhaps go back and re-read this slowly.

17 of his minuses have been with the empty net. I hate plus minus so much.
- Santo_44

Explains why Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares and Knies are all -21 too, right? Because they would be if that ENG stat was the actual reason why Rielly is -21.

+/- is usually a garage stat but when Rielly is that much worse than everyone else despite being in offensive situations 65% of the time it clearly means Rielly has absolutely sucked this season.

You won't be responding because you know you're wrong and your argument will get destroyed if you go down this road.

Rielly is getting paid 7.5 AAV to score points. He gets 65% of his starts in the offensive zone and he does a fraction of what he needs to do. He's so bad on the PP the Leafs are now going with 5 forwards.

Rielly is -21 because he absolutely sucks defensively and offensively isn't good enough to make up for it. If he had 54 points (like he's being paid for) instead of 34 points, he'd be closer to the rest of the team in +/- and the Leafs would probably be comfortably in 1st place.
- Rare_Jewel

This might help.

Rielly went into the plus-minus store, bought all the minuses, and they had to close the store.
- GalacticStone

Then the store realized how dumb it is to close a store when sales were so high so they reopened the store and kept selling minuses to Rielly because he just loves to rack them up so much.

the core 4 are all about 3-16 (-13) with net empty so yeah, pretty much same as reilly
diff is at 5v5
- senstroll

Teams are taking the goalie out really early nowadays. Definitely not good for a player’s numbers.

Perhaps go back and re-read this slowly.



This might help.
- Rare_Jewel

You were wrong. ADMIT IT! ADMIT IT!

Teams are taking the goalie out really early nowadays. Definitely not good for a player’s numbers.
- shack67

exactly, dont use plus minus

You were wrong. ADMIT IT! ADMIT IT!
- shack67

You should read more carefully next time.

Being correct is what I am. Know your role.

He's paid 7.5 to defend? Please, tell me when Rielly has ever been considered such a brick wall defender he's worth 7.5 to do it. He got paid to score points.

The 2nd PP unit that gets 30 seconds because the 1st unit kicked him off it and improved immediately without him?
- Rare_Jewel

You should read more carefully next time.
- Rare_Jewel

ADMIT IT! ADMIT IT!

- dmnted

Take a shower.

Take a shower.
- Rare_Jewel

exactly, dont use plus minus
- senstroll

Use it ...but peel it back and understand it's context.

5v5 plus/minus is meaningful. Then consider usage, frequency with various teammates, quality of opposition, etc....

I'm with you (always was) ..Rielly had one dynamic year but has otherwise been a slightly above average offensive defenseman who has mostly struggled defensively over the years.

He still has some great skills though so hopefully he finds a way to improve.

You're right ..it needs context. But 65% OZ and heavily sheltered minutes (ie. lots of time with 34 and 16) he needs to be better than -6 (47GF and 53GA) at 5v5.

On the flip side ...McCabe and Tanev with more difficult assignments are (57GF and 40GA and 49GF and 31GA respectively). Those two are dy-no-mite!
- The Law

He has had Phillipe Myers and OEL on his offside for his common partners this year.

I am not saying he is playing great or good for that matter, but in a down year he is has been okay. He seems to turn it on come playoff time so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

But the plus minus does not mean a thing to me.

Use it ...but peel it back and understand it's context.

5v5 plus/minus is meaningful. Then consider usage, frequency with various teammates, quality of opposition, etc....

I'm with you (always was) ..Rielly had one dynamic year but has otherwise been a slightly above average offensive defenseman who has mostly struggled defensively over the years.

He still has some great skills though so hopefully he finds a way to improve.
- The Law

Rielly will never improve defensively. That's something that needed to be fixed from day one. He always thinks he can skate himself out of trouble but hasn't learned that the puck will always move faster than he could ever skate. He's physically weak and not that big. His positioning is that of a reactionary puck watcher instead of a predictive anticipater.

The only thing he could do to improve his game is learn to shoot the puck. Like, Kobe level of obsessed levels of just practicing shots. All day. Everyday. Then, at least he could become a legitimate threat on the PP again.

Wonder what Matthews plus minus would be if he had Robertson and Dewar on his wings all year. Probably not great.

Use it ...but peel it back and understand it's context.

5v5 plus/minus is meaningful. Then consider usage, frequency with various teammates, quality of opposition, etc....

I'm with you (always was) ..Rielly had one dynamic year but has otherwise been a slightly above average offensive defenseman who has mostly struggled defensively over the years.

He still has some great skills though so hopefully he finds a way to improve.
- The Law

nobody does that, so best just to avoid it. or ignore anyone trying to use it to prove a point

"Morgan Rielly is minus-8 in March and has now dropped to a career-low minus-21 — despite starting a career-high 65.3 per cent of his shifts in the offensive zone."

C'mon man, get yur poop together!
- The Law

A few guys have struggled mightily in March. At 5v5 OEL is -7, Rielly is -5, Laughton is -5, Lorentz is -4,

Rielly and OEL together have been the worst defensive pair for the month at -4 in only 65 minutes together; for context Carlo and Rielly have been even (5/5) in 97 minutes. If Rielly doesn't have an adult with him to actually play defense he's simply brutal and drags everyone around him down. OEL, similarly, does need a good defenseman to partner with. He and McCabe were even in 40ish minutes and he and Benoit were -1 in 60 minutes.